Norm's offense

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Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2012, 09:55:46 AM »
Believe that Dunlap stating he is most to be blamed for Nuri or words to that effect is Dunlap and St J's taking the hit and the high road and not completely buring Nuri's career. It does not do a program any good or any team college or pro to bad mouth their players or former players. I don't know from an insiders postion but from the outside looking in it seems like Nuri had his own agenda to show case his skills to make money at the next level and did not have the team's interest as his top priority sort of like Santonio Holmes of the Jets. I could be wrong but that is just how I see the whole situation. Best thing was both parties moving on seperately IMHO.

90% of all players, in every league of every pro or high revenue amatuer sport have their own agenda, the teams best interest is never top priority .. its never about the team its all about the paycheck. The smart ones realized that a greater paycheck will if the team is successful, and that is motivation to buy into the whole "team concept."

Can't find the post from you but you alluded to players not being happy and possibly wanting to leave.  Or that Nuri isn't the only one.  Well since it seems you know the players I hope you tell them or they know that they wasted a chance to leave after first semester.  Now if they chose to, they would miss all of next season which would be a pretty significant blow.  Its smarter to leave 1st semester as many kids did.  At this point it would make no sense too.
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« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2012, 02:53:57 PM »
Believe that Dunlap stating he is most to be blamed for Nuri or words to that effect is Dunlap and St J's taking the hit and the high road and not completely buring Nuri's career. It does not do a program any good or any team college or pro to bad mouth their players or former players. I don't know from an insiders postion but from the outside looking in it seems like Nuri had his own agenda to show case his skills to make money at the next level and did not have the team's interest as his top priority sort of like Santonio Holmes of the Jets. I could be wrong but that is just how I see the whole situation. Best thing was both parties moving on seperately IMHO.

90% of all players, in every league of every pro or high revenue amatuer sport have their own agenda, the teams best interest is never top priority .. its never about the team its all about the paycheck. The smart ones realized that a greater paycheck will if the team is successful, and that is motivation to buy into the whole "team concept."

Can't find the post from you but you alluded to players not being happy and possibly wanting to leave.  Or that Nuri isn't the only one.  Well since it seems you know the players I hope you tell them or they know that they wasted a chance to leave after first semester.  Now if they chose to, they would miss all of next season which would be a pretty significant blow.  Its smarter to leave 1st semester as many kids did.  At this point it would make no sense too.

I think the post Moose is referring to is in the Thread that was deleted/moved/archived.   

I'm actually not surprised by what Bball was inferring (that other players were thinking of transferring).   Right after the Detroit game things looked pretty bleak; inconsistent rumors were coming out about coach etc etc.   I think the coming out party for D'angelo and Moe against PC, and the win against Cinn, coupled with the Branch transferring in, really helped settle a lot of nerves around the program.   

But would it shock me if some of the players had thought about transferring?  No, it absolutely wouldn't.  But as it stands now...
1) There's no way Moe is transferring and putting his pro career on hold for an extra year.   
2) Amir had every opportunity to wait and enroll next fall if he had questions.  He didn't.  He came on board when things were at their worst and did so with enthusiasm.  So he's not going anywhere. 
3) Phil Greene won't get this kind of PT at any other Big conference program.  Could he transfer "down"?  I guess it's possible.  But usually you do that to get the aforementioned PT.  Not to mention we have very few guard recruits on the radar for next season, so even with Branch, Phil isn't being recruited-over by the staff.
4) Gift?  I can't see him thinking it's worth it to sit out a full year only to have one year of eligibility left some where else. 

That leaves Dom and D'angelo as guys who might have been looking to transfer.  Like I said, I don't doubt they may have thought it over, but now I can't see them going anywhere.  D'angelo is getting all the PT and shots he could want, he's not being recruited over, and he'll get to move off the ball next year.   The staff has basically given him the keys to the program for the next 2-3 seasons.  I truly believe, as D'angelo goes... so will our program. 

Dom was a very highly ranked recruit, the highest in our class by some services, so he could be having second thoughts.  That's not ridiculous.  But he seems to know that his best way to impress scouts is to play within a system and do the little things right that he's learning.  He gets playing time, and he hasn't shown that he wants to dominate the ball or need to "get his shots" that you see when a player is trying to showcase themselves. 

I think we're fine on the transfer front now.   Correct me if I'm wrong bball... but you said players were considering transferring.  That seems to be in the past, no?

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« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2012, 05:30:01 PM »
Believe that Dunlap stating he is most to be blamed for Nuri or words to that effect is Dunlap and St J's taking the hit and the high road and not completely buring Nuri's career. It does not do a program any good or any team college or pro to bad mouth their players or former players. I don't know from an insiders postion but from the outside looking in it seems like Nuri had his own agenda to show case his skills to make money at the next level and did not have the team's interest as his top priority sort of like Santonio Holmes of the Jets. I could be wrong but that is just how I see the whole situation. Best thing was both parties moving on seperately IMHO.

90% of all players, in every league of every pro or high revenue amatuer sport have their own agenda, the teams best interest is never top priority .. its never about the team its all about the paycheck. The smart ones realized that a greater paycheck will if the team is successful, and that is motivation to buy into the whole "team concept."

Can't find the post from you but you alluded to players not being happy and possibly wanting to leave.  Or that Nuri isn't the only one.  Well since it seems you know the players I hope you tell them or they know that they wasted a chance to leave after first semester.  Now if they chose to, they would miss all of next season which would be a pretty significant blow.  Its smarter to leave 1st semester as many kids did.  At this point it would make no sense too.

I think the post Moose is referring to is in the Thread that was deleted/moved/archived.   

I'm actually not surprised by what Bball was inferring (that other players were thinking of transferring).   Right after the Detroit game things looked pretty bleak; inconsistent rumors were coming out about coach etc etc.   I think the coming out party for D'angelo and Moe against PC, and the win against Cinn, coupled with the Branch transferring in, really helped settle a lot of nerves around the program.   

But would it shock me if some of the players had thought about transferring?  No, it absolutely wouldn't.  But as it stands now...
1) There's no way Moe is transferring and putting his pro career on hold for an extra year.   
2) Amir had every opportunity to wait and enroll next fall if he had questions.  He didn't.  He came on board when things were at their worst and did so with enthusiasm.  So he's not going anywhere. 
3) Phil Greene won't get this kind of PT at any other Big conference program.  Could he transfer "down"?  I guess it's possible.  But usually you do that to get the aforementioned PT.  Not to mention we have very few guard recruits on the radar for next season, so even with Branch, Phil isn't being recruited-over by the staff.
4) Gift?  I can't see him thinking it's worth it to sit out a full year only to have one year of eligibility left some where else. 

That leaves Dom and D'angelo as guys who might have been looking to transfer.  Like I said, I don't doubt they may have thought it over, but now I can't see them going anywhere.  D'angelo is getting all the PT and shots he could want, he's not being recruited over, and he'll get to move off the ball next year.   The staff has basically given him the keys to the program for the next 2-3 seasons.  I truly believe, as D'angelo goes... so will our program. 

Dom was a very highly ranked recruit, the highest in our class by some services, so he could be having second thoughts.  That's not ridiculous.  But he seems to know that his best way to impress scouts is to play within a system and do the little things right that he's learning.  He gets playing time, and he hasn't shown that he wants to dominate the ball or need to "get his shots" that you see when a player is trying to showcase themselves. 

I think we're fine on the transfer front now.   Correct me if I'm wrong bball... but you said players were considering transferring.  That seems to be in the past, no?

I think that's a safe assumption. I haven't spoke to any of them since December when I've been out of NY. I don't think anyone will transfer during the season, and I hope no one transfers but judging by how some of the guys were talking, I would not he surprised at all if 1 or 2 guys did at he end of the season. But I guess that all depends on lavins status.
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Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2012, 05:44:47 PM »

Dom was a very highly ranked recruit, the highest in our class by some services, so he could be having second thoughts.  That's not ridiculous.  But he seems to know that his best way to impress scouts is to play within a system and do the little things right that he's learning.  He gets playing time, and he hasn't shown that he wants to dominate the ball or need to "get his shots" that you see when a player is trying to showcase themselves. 


Add in a very involved dad who clearly wanted him to go to Michigan, and the strong possibility of dimnished frontcourt minutes and there's your most likely candidate. Hope he doesnt go, but it wouldnt surprise me.

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« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2012, 06:02:42 PM »
Didnt Dom know we were recruiting a lot of SFs when he signed on?  We have 1 less w the departure of Polee. Hes getting plenty of PT and is improving ,he will also get a lot of PT next year. I dont think hes going anywhere.

Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2012, 06:12:05 PM »
Believe that Dunlap stating he is most to be blamed for Nuri or words to that effect is Dunlap and St J's taking the hit and the high road and not completely buring Nuri's career. It does not do a program any good or any team college or pro to bad mouth their players or former players. I don't know from an insiders postion but from the outside looking in it seems like Nuri had his own agenda to show case his skills to make money at the next level and did not have the team's interest as his top priority sort of like Santonio Holmes of the Jets. I could be wrong but that is just how I see the whole situation. Best thing was both parties moving on seperately IMHO.

90% of all players, in every league of every pro or high revenue amatuer sport have their own agenda, the teams best interest is never top priority .. its never about the team its all about the paycheck. The smart ones realized that a greater paycheck will if the team is successful, and that is motivation to buy into the whole "team concept."

Can't find the post from you but you alluded to players not being happy and possibly wanting to leave.  Or that Nuri isn't the only one.  Well since it seems you know the players I hope you tell them or they know that they wasted a chance to leave after first semester.  Now if they chose to, they would miss all of next season which would be a pretty significant blow.  Its smarter to leave 1st semester as many kids did.  At this point it would make no sense too.

I think the post Moose is referring to is in the Thread that was deleted/moved/archived.   

I'm actually not surprised by what Bball was inferring (that other players were thinking of transferring).   Right after the Detroit game things looked pretty bleak; inconsistent rumors were coming out about coach etc etc.   I think the coming out party for D'angelo and Moe against PC, and the win against Cinn, coupled with the Branch transferring in, really helped settle a lot of nerves around the program.   

But would it shock me if some of the players had thought about transferring?  No, it absolutely wouldn't.  But as it stands now...
1) There's no way Moe is transferring and putting his pro career on hold for an extra year.   
2) Amir had every opportunity to wait and enroll next fall if he had questions.  He didn't.  He came on board when things were at their worst and did so with enthusiasm.  So he's not going anywhere. 
3) Phil Greene won't get this kind of PT at any other Big conference program.  Could he transfer "down"?  I guess it's possible.  But usually you do that to get the aforementioned PT.  Not to mention we have very few guard recruits on the radar for next season, so even with Branch, Phil isn't being recruited-over by the staff.
4) Gift?  I can't see him thinking it's worth it to sit out a full year only to have one year of eligibility left some where else. 

That leaves Dom and D'angelo as guys who might have been looking to transfer.  Like I said, I don't doubt they may have thought it over, but now I can't see them going anywhere.  D'angelo is getting all the PT and shots he could want, he's not being recruited over, and he'll get to move off the ball next year.   The staff has basically given him the keys to the program for the next 2-3 seasons.  I truly believe, as D'angelo goes... so will our program. 

Dom was a very highly ranked recruit, the highest in our class by some services, so he could be having second thoughts.  That's not ridiculous.  But he seems to know that his best way to impress scouts is to play within a system and do the little things right that he's learning.  He gets playing time, and he hasn't shown that he wants to dominate the ball or need to "get his shots" that you see when a player is trying to showcase themselves. 

I think we're fine on the transfer front now.   Correct me if I'm wrong bball... but you said players were considering transferring.  That seems to be in the past, no?

I think that's a safe assumption. I haven't spoke to any of them since December when I've been out of NY. I don't think anyone will transfer during the season, and I hope no one transfers but judging by how some of the guys were talking, I would not he surprised at all if 1 or 2 guys did at he end of the season. But I guess that all depends on lavins status.
Isn't it too late now to transfer during the season ?

A couple of years ago my firm replaced our manager who ran my office for over 20 years. My office was in an uproar and everyone ( probably at least 60 people )  talked about leaving and going to wherever our new manager ended up. A year and a half later when that manager opened up his own firm only 2 people left and thats only because they invested money in the new firm alongside my ex manager

Sometimes in the heat of the moment people overreact. Over time cooler heads prevail

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Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2012, 06:17:35 PM »
Maybe in Dec, they were listeing to Nuri,

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« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2012, 07:25:54 PM »
Didnt Dom know we were recruiting a lot of SFs when he signed on?  We have 1 less w the departure of Polee. Hes getting plenty of PT and is improving ,he will also get a lot of PT next year. I dont think hes going anywhere.

good point about his pops.   But like you said, I don't think he's going anywhere now.   It wouldn't shock me if he had thought about it in Dec though. 


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« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2012, 11:03:37 PM »
I love Dom.  He's perfect for what Lav wants to know.  I don't want to sound like sour grapes.  But he would NOT fit into Beilein's system at all IMO.
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« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2012, 11:17:28 PM »
I love Dom.  He's perfect for what Lav wants to know.  I don't want to sound like sour grapes.  But he would NOT fit into Beilein's system at all IMO.

He needs a jump shot, and then he'll be an all big east player.

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« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2012, 11:21:33 PM »
I love Dom.  He's perfect for what Lav wants to know.  I don't want to sound like sour grapes.  But he would NOT fit into Beilein's system at all IMO.

He needs a jump shot, and then he'll be an all big east player.

We need him or Amir to develop into Option 3.  Bottom line.  They give a lot.  Amir is getting better each game and Dom too.  His performance after rolling his ankle, running down the floor and swatting a shot I will remember for a long time.  He should take a step or two in from 3 and just shoot 400 jumpers a day.  Forget the 3.  Step or two in and make it money.
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Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2012, 11:43:39 PM »
I love Dom.  He's perfect for what Lav wants to know.  I don't want to sound like sour grapes.  But he would NOT fit into Beilein's system at all IMO.

He needs a jump shot, and then he'll be an all big east player.

We need him or Amir to develop into Option 3.  Bottom line.  They give a lot.  Amir is getting better each game and Dom too.  His performance after rolling his ankle, running down the floor and swatting a shot I will remember for a long time.  He should take a step or two in from 3 and just shoot 400 jumpers a day.  Forget the 3.  Step or two in and make it money.
The improvement that they will make coming into next year will be fun to watch. Amir & Dom have talent you cant teach but both are raw offensively and need improved perimeter shooting & ball handling. Once the season ends they will know what it takes to play in this conference & will work with the coaching staff to improve their games. I expect to see major offensive improvements from them in year 2

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« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2012, 08:45:29 AM »
The hell y'all talkin bout?
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Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2012, 08:52:41 AM »
The hell y'all talkin bout?
Dom luvs StJ.


  Thanks Choz. Sometimes this place turns into a tabloid.

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« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2012, 10:46:57 AM »
The hell y'all talkin bout?
Dom luvs StJ.


  Thanks Choz. Sometimes this place turns into a tabloid.

Ain't that the nature of the beast though Boo?   Basically what we all do is gossip about basketball, no?

And just to be clear I wasn't starting any rumors, I'm just saying if BBall is to be believed, there's only so many of our 6 guys who his comments could have applied to.   

Re: Norm's offense
« Reply #95 on: January 21, 2012, 04:45:26 PM »
The hell y'all talkin bout?
Dom luvs StJ.
Should have said gossiping about-more gossip than the View. Much too much supposition. :(
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« Reply #96 on: January 21, 2012, 05:02:51 PM »
It is ok to be frustrated by a loss like today, but the extreme negativity seems counter productive. Too many blogs deteriorate because of off the chart anger and malevolence. Hope some degree of honest, yet circumspect discourse can prevail. If not, my opinion is many will choose not to participate. Just one man,s opinion.

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« Reply #97 on: January 21, 2012, 05:25:13 PM »
It is ok to be frustrated by a loss like today, but the extreme negativity seems counter productive. Too many blogs deteriorate because of off the chart anger and malevolence. Hope some degree of honest, yet circumspect discourse can prevail. If not, my opinion is many will choose not to participate. Just one man,s opinion.

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« Reply #98 on: January 21, 2012, 06:30:43 PM »
It is ok to be frustrated by a loss like today, but the extreme negativity seems counter productive. Too many blogs deteriorate because of off the chart anger and malevolence. Hope some degree of honest, yet circumspect discourse can prevail. If not, my opinion is many will choose not to participate. Just one man,s opinion.

Blogs deteriorate because of posters who aren't capable of handeling and reading criticism.   Negativity is warranted this season. 

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« Reply #99 on: January 21, 2012, 06:32:53 PM »
It is ok to be frustrated by a loss like today, but the extreme negativity seems counter productive. Too many blogs deteriorate because of off the chart anger and malevolence. Hope some degree of honest, yet circumspect discourse can prevail. If not, my opinion is many will choose not to participate. Just one man,s opinion.

Blogs deteriorate because of posters who aren't capable of handeling and reading criticism.   Negativity is warranted this season. 

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