Jonathan Severe - SG - Christ the King HS - New York, N.Y. - FORDHAM

Decent choices, know Fordham is desperately trying.

“@TheRecruitScoop: 2013 Christ the King (NY) SG Jon Severe cut his list to Pittsburgh, Fordham, Wake Forest, Seton Hall, West Virginia, Duquesne.

Quite a mouthful "Jonny Boy"!

“@JonRothstein: The next Bryce Cotton @TheRecruitScoop: 2013 CTK SG Jon Severe cut his list to Pittsburgh, Fordham, Wake Forest, Seton Hall & West Virginia.”

“@NYPost_Brazille: Pittsburgh really coming on in Jon Severe sweepstakes he may visit after Jordan Classic this weekend Fordham, Wake Forest calling a ton too”

We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players. 

It is clear we are not interested in this kid.  That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell.  Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him.  Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones.  It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes.  But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?

Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
 record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 10:28:26 AM

We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players. 

It is clear we are not interested in this kid.  That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell.  Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him.  Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones.  It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes.  But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?

Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
 record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.

I thought we all 'root' for the same team?
Yet I keep seeing these two teams mentioned.

Quote from: Celtics11 on April 07, 2013, 03:31:43 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 10:28:26 AM

We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players. 

It is clear we are not interested in this kid.  That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell.  Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him.  Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones.  It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes.  But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?

Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
 record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.

I thought we all 'root' for the same team?
Yet I keep seeing these two teams mentioned.

Agree Moose. It just seems that when someone disagrees with a positive post they more often stick to topic in their disagreement while when someone is critical and is disagreed with it often times comes after the poster calls out the original poster for being negative and often after stating he should refrain from posting. For example I have chided in good nature with Marillac for stating pre season that Amir was going to be "incredible" for us but I never even intimated that he was not entitled to his opinion. More tolerance for each others opinions all the way around and less vitriole between all posters would be nice because as you stated we all root for the same team (yes, even the so called negative posters. Not saying Baldi is or is not one but he has been accused as not rooting for St J's but I doubt he would spend as much time on this board if he didn't). Even the notorios Realfan roots for St. J's unless he is hoping to get the coach fired and the only time that happened was under Norm.

Quote from: Moose on April 07, 2013, 03:32:48 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on April 07, 2013, 03:31:43 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 10:28:26 AM

We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players. 

It is clear we are not interested in this kid.  That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell.  Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him.  Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones.  It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes.  But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?

Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
 record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.

I thought we all 'root' for the same team?
Yet I keep seeing these two teams mentioned.

Agree Moose. It just seems that when someone disagrees with a positive post they more often stick to topic in their disagreement while when someone is critical and is disagreed with it often times comes after the poster calls out the original poster for being negative and often after stating he should refrain from posting. For example I have chided in good nature with Marillac for stating pre season that Amir was going to be "incredible" for us but I never even intimated that he was not entitled to his opinion. More tolerance for each others opinions all the way around and less vitriole between all posters would be nice because as you stated we all root for the same team (yes, even the so called negative posters. Not saying Baldi is or is not one but he has been accused as not rooting for St J's but I doubt he would spend as much time on this board if he didn't). Even the notorios Realfan roots for St. J's unless he is hoping to get the coach fired and the only time that happened was under Norm.

While this is true, the relentless negativity by the same handful of posters pollutes the community.  Your last few posts are great examples of insightful counter arguments that truly add to the board. A perma-bear tone combined with a schizophrenic posting frequency is trolling and, in my opinion, need to be eradicated.

Celts -- I have no issue with those who make objective, logical, sensible, rationale statements that criticize Coach Lavin, the staff, and the players.  I've been critical of them myself.

But illogical, inciteful, irrational and blatantly contradictory statements that smack of one trying to stir the pot or fulfilling some misplaced agenda bring nothing to the table, and ultimately discourage many posters from returning to a message board.  I do not frequent many boards, but was a longtime reader of redmen.com until recently.  After some of the nonsense being spewed on that board, I've found that it is not worthwhile for me to spend time reading up on content about a team I love to follow and root for.  St. John's is unlike the Yankees, Giants or Knicks, for which a significant amount of content is available in the mainstream media (local and national).  Those of us who follow this team rely upon boards like this one, and we don't appreciate it when certain posters start launching agenda-filled critiques that even a blind man could see through. 

Unfortunately, Celts, I disagree with you that everyone who comes to this site is actually a fan of the program.  Even casual readers can see through the posters who are so contradicting or hypocritical in their statements that they clearly have some type of agenda.  I don't know why one would waste their precious time posting nonsense on the message board of a team they don't follow, but their are a lot of odd people in this world.

Perfect example, Celts:  There are posters on here who would kill Lavin for not going after a kid like Jordan hard enough, or other top 50-100 recruits, and instead making a play for Severe.  Yet if Lavin goes after Jordan, and loses Severe as a result, they'll Lavin for not going after Severe in the first place if he ends up being a good player.  And it becomes annoying after a while to continue reading that type of stuff.  That is a far cry from legit criticism, which frankly I find interesting and worthwhile to read.

Many posters feel Lavin should have gone after Severe as well as Jorden, in the event Jorden doesnt sign w us, especilly if DLO is not a sure thing for next year.

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 10:28:26 AM

We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players. 

It is clear we are not interested in this kid.  That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell.  Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him.  Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones.  It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes.  But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?

Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
 record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.

Nail on head. I'm a numbers guy and hard to believe when we just don't put them up. Look at our FG%, 3PT%, PPG, NCAA appearances, etc. over the past decade. You can't call it negative when it's true.

Celtics was very fair in his point. Essentially (and tell me if I'm wrong) he is saying that there shouldn't be 1 right view and 1 wrong view on here. As long as you can give reasons, have at it. This board is EXTREMELY intolerant. You should see some of the PM's I receive and ignore because they contain threats. We all root for the same team but there is a "defend the honor and be insanely optimistic at all costs" crowd and a "realist/grounded" crowd. If you notice, I'm never personally attacking people on here. The only side personally attacking are the ones who are overly optimistic. The one's who make personal attacks, and demand that you not post, and fill your PM box with threats. Maybe that's just me.

Joe, please post the threatening pms. Thanks.

Many posters feel Lavin should have gone after Severe as well as Jorden, in the event Jorden doesnt sign w us, especilly if DLO is not a sure thing for next year.

If Lavin is going to take this program to the next level, he needs to go after the best players. And he is. Not going after Severe probably means that he expects Harrison to return. If he didn't yes, he'd have to replace him.

But for now, if a guy like Marco is staying put, there isn't room for Severe, regardless of whether or not Marco is making a wise choice by staying with the program to wave a towel.

Agree with Poison.  And anyone who reads this board regularly knows that he could never be plausibly characterized as a Lavin-apologist or a "kool aid" drinker.

I know there isn't one "right" or "wrong" answer with respect to many of these issues, and that most of what is posted is subjective in nature.  That's not what I'm referring to.  What I'm speaking to, and what ultimately ruins these boards for real fans, are posters who have an agenda to speak nonsense at all times.

Back to Severe, he may very well turn out to be a good player.  I have no issue with anyone who expresses an opinion of that nature, or who believes that we should have addressed our roster balance differently so as to leave room for being able to bring in multiple freshman next year.  We clearly aren't interested, and I hope that doesn't come back to bite us. 

Would just like to make one more point. Fans may want a certain recruit or draft choice at the pro level and say they get the player and he turns out to be a disappointment. Many will maintain that that person has no right to complain but i maintain that he does because we are fans and not the professionals getting paid millions of dollars to make these evaluations. I have no opinion on Severe-never have seen him play but i can understand those wanting a back-up plan to Jordan. Maybe coach has evaluated him and doesn't think he measures up and that is fine to. It is just that the pro better be right more times than not-just ask former Jet GM Mike Tannenbaum-fans no so affected by being wrong. Anyway, hope we're getting R Jordan and the Severe controversey is a moot point. Now if jordan proves to be a disappointment...

I heard Severe suffered a major knee injury over the weekend.

Wasn't he brought out in ambulance?

I really hope that isn't true for the kid, particularly since he has not yet signed anywhere.

Hopefully the teams recruiting him tell him that they still want him and he can redshirt.

Hopefully the teams recruiting him tell him that they still want him and he can redshirt.

He's ok. Playing this weekend in the regional Jordan game

Quote from: LJSA on April 09, 2013, 12:59:09 PM

Hopefully the teams recruiting him tell him that they still want him and he can redshirt.

He's ok. Playing this weekend in the regional Jordan game

Pecora should have immediately sent a text saying that he loves him and still wants him even with a major injury -- even if he knew it was just a rumor and that Severe did not suffer one.