Next years roster

I'm starting to think we get Gathers,Sampson and Obepka.

It is ironic that when Sampson decommitted some posters said that it was because Gathers was going to play over him.

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2012, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2012, 08:58:28 AM

Greene needs a lot of practice. I hope they can turn him into a contributor next season.

Man when he hits that floater/pull up, it looks so sweet.  But when he doesn't he looks Cedric-esqe.

The problem is that he doesn´t hit it.

He is 34-113 (.301) on field goals. And 8-40 (.200) in three point shots.

He too concern about playin the point and dont look for his own shot til its desperation time. Then he hoists a low percentage prayer.

Play him off the ball and I believe its a diffnt story.

Quote from: ris on January 12, 2012, 09:58:09 AM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2012, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2012, 08:58:28 AM

Greene needs a lot of practice. I hope they can turn him into a contributor next season.

Man when he hits that floater/pull up, it looks so sweet.  But when he doesn't he looks Cedric-esqe.

The problem is that he doesn´t hit it.

He is 34-113 (.301) on field goals. And 8-40 (.200) in three point shots.

He too concern about playin the point and dont look for his own shot til its desperation time. Then he hoists a low percentage prayer.

Play him off the ball and I believe its a diffnt story.

Bingo

Yup, running the point is taking a toll on Phil. I think we see a totally different Phil Greene next year.

Quote from: Choz4Life on January 12, 2012, 10:03:48 AM

Quote from: ris on January 12, 2012, 09:58:09 AM

Quote from: Moose on January 12, 2012, 08:59:23 AM

Quote from: Poison on January 12, 2012, 08:58:28 AM

Greene needs a lot of practice. I hope they can turn him into a contributor next season.

Man when he hits that floater/pull up, it looks so sweet.  But when he doesn't he looks Cedric-esqe.

The problem is that he doesn´t hit it.

He is 34-113 (.301) on field goals. And 8-40 (.200) in three point shots.

He too concern about playin the point and dont look for his own shot til its desperation time. Then he hoists a low percentage prayer.

Play him off the ball and I believe its a diffnt story.

Bingo

I've been thinking that for awhile as well.   Phil's going to be a good player but I'd like to add a guard to that list Baldi started the thread with.   You see what happened when Harrison went out with fouls last night, if Harrison or Branch get hurt god for bid, we go back to being severely short handed in the backcourt. 

And I hate to say it but sooner or later the law of averages is going to catch up with us.    We're not going to make it through this entire season and next without one injury of significance.  These guys play too hard for that.

I think there will be late-rising seniors that Lavin will run into on the trail this spring, hopefully one pops for us.

Like Dave said, we probably should have taken a chance on a guy like Bernardi, a player that fills a role. We don't need to hit a grand slam with every scholy. If we don't add a guard, I can see Harkless and even Pointer as a 2

Actualy Pointer has a better handle and is a better passer than Greene.

Actualy Pointer has a better handle and is a better passer than Greene.

no way.  while his handle already has been noticeably better since game 1, pointer at times looks like he can barely dribble. garrett, too

You should probably let the coaching staff know becuase they have been letting Pointer bring the ball up when Greene is getting pressured. Pointer sometimes plays out of control but his handle is fine.

Actualy Pointer has a better handle and is a better passer than Greene.

 Negative.

 Although Dom did have a sweet ally-oop pass last night that hit the back of the rim and caromed to halfcourt. 

 Dom plays a little to fast for his own good.  I saw Greene throw a few nice passes last night.

Quote from: we are sju on January 12, 2012, 10:33:59 AM

Actualy Pointer has a better handle and is a better passer than Greene.

no way.  while his handle already has been noticeably better since game 1, pointer at times looks like he can barely dribble. garrett, too

They'll get better too, that's what are staff is there for

You should probably let the coaching staff know becuase they have been letting Pointer bring the ball up when Greene is getting pressured. Pointer sometimes plays out of control but his handle is fine.

  The staff is too busy correcting Harrison's poor jump shooting form at the moment.

You should probably let the coaching staff know becuase they have been letting Pointer bring the ball up when Greene is getting pressured. Pointer sometimes plays out of control but his handle is fine.

Pointer's dribbling problems are when he tries to break down a defender and split players.  He can dribble the ball up court on a passive press like last night.  But in the halfcourt he is very shaky.  Noticed that last year when I saw him at Baruch as well.

 Negative.

 Although Dom did have a sweet ally-oop pass last night that hit the back of the rim and caromed to halfcourt. 

 Dom plays a little to fast for his own good.  I saw Greene throw a few nice passes last night.
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And if we had lost the Cincy game it would have been on Green who had two to's and an airball in the last 2 minutes. Actually he looked like Ollie from Hosiers that game except he didn't hit two clutch free throws. Greene is not really a BE player at this point. If Lavin recruits another guard in addition to Branch I don't think Greene will play much next season. I really don't need to argue about this if you somehow can't see this with your eyes all you need to do is peruse the stat sheet.
Pointer and Garrett are not world beaters now and on a deeper team probably would not play much. With both you can see the potential. I do not see ot with Greene. I am sorry. He does not have point guard skills and he can't shoot. These two problems are pretty major if you know your position is guard. Again I am sure he was recruited for depth and not to be this involved.
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Like Dave said, we probably should have taken a chance on a guy like Bernardi, a player that fills a role. We don't need to hit a grand slam with every scholy. If we don't add a guard, I can see Harkless and even Pointer as a 2

The mystery shooter was/is a better shooter than Bernardi...  I don't know if that's out of play now or what, but we certainly need another guy that can just stroke it from anywhere on the court.

The staff is too busy correcting Harrison's poor jump shooting form at the moment.

I will give some of you credit for being loyal. At least until they transfer(see Lindsey, Nurideen) or don't improve enough for your liking(see Burrell, Justin). I like Harrison. A lot, but the kid is hovering in Avery Patterson shooting % territoy and shoots a push shot.  He is a better basketball player than shooter.
Greene is um.... not good.

The staff is too busy correcting Harrison's poor jump shooting form at the moment.

I will give some of you credit for being loyal. At least until they transfer(see Lindsey, Nurideen) or don't improve enough for your liking(see Burrell, Justin). I like Harrison. A lot, but the kid is hovering in Avery Patterson shooting % territoy and shoots a push shot.  He is a better basketball player than shooter.
Greene is um.... not good.

 Thats not fair.  Why do i need to be loyal to Lindsey?  He was here for 9 games. We, as fans, owe him nothing.  As far as Burrell goes, I was always a fan.  I'm sure you can check the archives and find me saying something negative after a bad game, but thats what fans do.

 You, on the other hand, have made a posting career out of bashing kids who actually stayed here for 4 years ( see geno, Mase)...  Go figure.

You, on the other hand, have made a posting career out of bashing kids who actually stayed here for 4 years ( see geno, Mase)...  Go figure

You can check the archives as well.  I generally try not to bash players. I admit that I bashed Geno and Mase my two least favorite Johnnies of all time. Geno, I couldn't help myself he played point guard a style that actually made me hate watching the games. I also thought Mase was the rare player that pretty much got worse every season and I thought he was selfish. Supposedly the players on those teams felt the same way. In both cases my criticism was more based on my frustration with Norm, the way we played and the overall direction of the program. Those two guys to me were the face of Norm's teams.

Harrison's shooting form is just a thing for me. I loved Larry Wright becuase he had a beautiful looking jumper, I know he was not great.  I do feel Norm did not use him correctly though. I compared Harrison to Miles Simon and Lawrence Moten, so I barely think that can be construed as criticism. As far as Greene goes, I just reacting to those on this board who are deluding themselves into claiming he is something that he clearly is not. 

Wow, some pretty harsh assessments being doled out for our freshman guards that have been asked to play full time minutes.  I guess they will never improve and we should just look to recruit better replacement guards... .  And to think that ESPN recently ranked D'Angelo the 16th best freshman CBB player in the country.  http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7450063/top-25-freshmen-kentucky-sec-youngbloods-dominate-rankings-ncb  What were they thinking!!!

You, on the other hand, have made a posting career out of bashing kids who actually stayed here for 4 years ( see geno, Mase)...  Go figure

You can check the archives as well.  I generally try not to bash players. I admit that I bashed Geno and Mase my two least favorite Johnnies of all time. Geno, I couldn't help myself he played point guard a style that actually made me hate watching the games. I also thought Mase was the rare player that pretty much got worse every season adn I thought he was selfish. Supposedly the players on those teams felt the same way. In both cases my criticism was more based on my frustration with Norm, the way we played and the overall direction of the program. Those two guys to me were the face of Norm's teams.

Harrison's shooting form is just a thing for me. I loved Larry Wright becuase he had a beautiful looking jumper, I know he was not great.  I do feel Norm did not use him correctly though. I compared Harrison to Miles Simon and Lawrence Moten, so I barely think that can be construed as criticism. As far as Greene goes, I just reacting to those on this board who are deluding themselves into claiming he is something that he clearly is not.

  I pretty much agree with everything in the first paragraph. 

  We got spoiled watching Mullin for 4 years, although I think Ray Allen has the prettiest jumpshot the world has ever known.