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Poison

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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2012, 12:43:32 AM »
Sorry, I don't buy it. An empty showing like that against Georgetown is pathetic. I don't care what the date is. You guys are pathetic. That's f'n Georgetown you lazy bastards. And it's your school. No pride at all.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM »
Last years game vs Georgetown was during break too. I remember there being more students there. It was a weekday game also
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2012, 12:53:18 AM »
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Last years game vs Georgetown was during break too. I remember there being more students there. It was a weekday game also

Clearly, there was room on the St.John's bandwagon. Always is.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2012, 01:08:40 AM »
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Last years game vs Georgetown was during break too. I remember there being more students there. It was a weekday game also

Like I said before, the problem this year is student season ticket sales increased so the students are more spread out.  Also with the new layout it is harder to sneak into the section where the students are standing if you ave a ticket for the other side (I had to have someone  bring me out a few tickets from people sitting around them to sneak me in, my ticket is on the opposing bench side).  Many people don't sneak over so you have half the students on the other side sitting because a few people can't just stand randomly in a section all game.  I'd say the total amount of students at yesterday's game was 1.5 times more than what was at the Georgetown game last year and the actual number of people standing was about the same as last year if not a bit more than last year. 
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 01:11:57 AM »
Also, the noontime start is harder to get to than a weekday game for students.  Waking up at 9 AM on a Saturday or Sunday for a college-age student to go to a game is an absolute chore.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2012, 01:19:55 AM »
Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 17, 2012, 01:11:57 AM
Also, the noontime start is harder to get to than a weekday game for students.  Waking up at 9 AM on a Saturday or Sunday for a college-age student to go to a game is an absolute chore.

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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2012, 01:30:43 AM »
Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 17, 2012, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Last years game vs Georgetown was during break too. I remember there being more students there. It was a weekday game also

Like I said before, the problem this year is student season ticket sales increased so the students are more spread out.  Also with the new layout it is harder to sneak into the section where the students are standing if you ave a ticket for the other side (I had to have someone  bring me out a few tickets from people sitting around them to sneak me in, my ticket is on the opposing bench side).  Many people don't sneak over so you have half the students on the other side sitting because a few people can't just stand randomly in a section all game.  I'd say the total amount of students at yesterday's game was 1.5 times more than what was at the Georgetown game last year and the actual number of people standing was about the same as last year if not a bit more than last year.


Thats why i say the school should just designate all 6 sections and have it as a first come first serve basis.
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STJ11Redmen

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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 01:34:53 AM »
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 17, 2012, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Last years game vs Georgetown was during break too. I remember there being more students there. It was a weekday game also

Like I said before, the problem this year is student season ticket sales increased so the students are more spread out.  Also with the new layout it is harder to sneak into the section where the students are standing if you ave a ticket for the other side (I had to have someone  bring me out a few tickets from people sitting around them to sneak me in, my ticket is on the opposing bench side).  Many people don't sneak over so you have half the students on the other side sitting because a few people can't just stand randomly in a section all game.  I'd say the total amount of students at yesterday's game was 1.5 times more than what was at the Georgetown game last year and the actual number of people standing was about the same as last year if not a bit more than last year.


Thats why i say the school should just designate all 6 sections and have it as a first come first serve basis.

Exactly.  They should do that and it would be perfect, but they don't so we look like a bunch of damn fools.  I don't get why it is so hard for them to set up a table in the lobby for MSG tickets.  It's one of those things that makes too much sense, or maybe it's one of those things where they like to give their cronies the student tickets for free and are just losing 15 for the ticket instead of 80 for a premium seat.  Whatever the case is, I hope someone reforms the student ticket policy soon because a well structured student section can really help you win games.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2012, 01:44:27 AM »
Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 17, 2012, 01:34:53 AM
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 17, 2012, 01:08:40 AM
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Last years game vs Georgetown was during break too. I remember there being more students there. It was a weekday game also

Like I said before, the problem this year is student season ticket sales increased so the students are more spread out.  Also with the new layout it is harder to sneak into the section where the students are standing if you ave a ticket for the other side (I had to have someone  bring me out a few tickets from people sitting around them to sneak me in, my ticket is on the opposing bench side).  Many people don't sneak over so you have half the students on the other side sitting because a few people can't just stand randomly in a section all game.  I'd say the total amount of students at yesterday's game was 1.5 times more than what was at the Georgetown game last year and the actual number of people standing was about the same as last year if not a bit more than last year.


Thats why i say the school should just designate all 6 sections and have it as a first come first serve basis.

Exactly.  They should do that and it would be perfect, but they don't so we look like a bunch of damn fools.  I don't get why it is so hard for them to set up a table in the lobby for MSG tickets.  It's one of those things that makes too much sense, or maybe it's one of those things where they like to give their cronies the student tickets for free and are just losing 15 for the ticket instead of 80 for a premium seat.  Whatever the case is, I hope someone reforms the student ticket policy soon because a well structured student section can really help you win games. 


On top of helping win games in helps the progam and school. It brings unity and pride amongst the students but also gives recruits a lively enviorment that they would want to b a part of. Think how helpfull it eould be to pitch a packed loud msg. It also would help assure people who were on the fence to whether or not they want to come to games that the st johns msg experience is something to take part in. We simply dont have that now.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2012, 12:08:52 PM »
It was so embarrassing to hear the G'Town fans chanting before the game started and when the intro's were made. We depend on the Garden P.A. announcer to drown out the opposition.

Can't we have someone lead the students / Garden cheers as soon as the kids appear on the court. Our students, and NY fans in general, never start the cheering. The only noise I hear is in response to the opponents fans cheering. I've said this for 40 years but it does no good.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2012, 02:04:43 PM »
Last year we were winning.  Hence more fans, better louder atmosphere.

This year we are losing.  Hence less fans, worse quiter atmosphere.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2012, 02:26:51 PM »
Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 17, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Last year we were winning.  Hence more fans, better louder atmosphere.

This year we are losing.  Hence less fans, worse quiter atmosphere.

Quiter?
Quieter?
Or both :)
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2012, 05:01:09 PM »
Unc and duke have a lottery for free student tickets. If we want to be a top program again we have to create a top notch atmosphere. It will help us bring in recruits, which will bring wins, which will bring fans.
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STJ11Redmen

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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2012, 05:03:22 PM »
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Unc and duke have a lottery for free student tickets. If we want to be a top program again we have to create a top notch atmosphere. It will help us bring in recruits, which will bring wins, which will bring fans.

Free lottery won't help anything to be honest.  At Carnesecca there are more than enough season ticket holders to fill both sections and at the Garden there are enough season ticket holders to fill up all 3 sections behind each basket.  The only thing a free lottery would do is make it harder for the diehards to get tickets.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2012, 05:33:54 PM »
Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 17, 2012, 05:03:22 PM
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 17, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Unc and duke have a lottery for free student tickets. If we want to be a top program again we have to create a top notch atmosphere. It will help us bring in recruits, which will bring wins, which will bring fans.

Free lottery won't help anything to be honest.  At Carnesecca there are more than enough season ticket holders to fill both sections and at the Garden there are enough season ticket holders to fill up all 3 sections behind each basket.  The only thing a free lottery would do is make it harder for the diehards to get tickets.

IDK if there are that many season ticket holders. My take is that University wants the students behind both baskets, which in theory makes a lot of sense. They want the season ticket holders/donors in court seats and in the 100s. I personally don't believe there are as many season tickets holders as the school would like us to believe.

So then, the question remains, what happens to all of the other tickets that normally would go to donors?
What is the university doing with them?
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2012, 07:20:27 PM »
Does anyone else go to St. John's, it's not just a commuter school anymore. Thousands of students who live on campus don't live in New York. Then you have foreigners and people who don't care about anything but getting a degree. Last year wasn't really the students who made MSG magical, it was the we are winning bandwagon.

I don't have student season tickets because I have to work most days but I went to the Louisville game and bought a student ticket and they stuck me up in section 300.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2012, 07:55:08 PM »
Quote from: Poison on January 16, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: ctredstorm1 on January 16, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
I think st johns should make student tickets free, designate the 6 sections behind both baskets and have a first come first serve policy.

The students could have gone yesterday. Was it too cold for them?

I know this is probably not realistic, but St. John's (college hoops) has to stop scheduling games against the NFL...and ESPECIALLY not against the NFL Playoffs. 
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2012, 08:11:35 PM »
Question to current students, does the University provide buses to MSG games?   I think that would be any easy step for them to make, no?   At the very least the students in the dorms would take advantage of that I'm sure.

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STJ11Redmen

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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2012, 08:16:02 PM »
Quote from: desco80 on January 17, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
Question to current students, does the University provide buses to MSG games?   I think that would be any easy step for them to make, no?   At the very least the students in the dorms would take advantage of that I'm sure.



They do not offer buses to games and honestly it doesn't make that big of a difference except it would be nice to save the 5 bucks.  But look, attendance at games while school is in session at CA has been phenomenal this year.  I honestly think the crowd you see on Saturday will be a very good student crowd.
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Re: Question about the student section to the right of the SJ bench....
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2012, 08:40:18 PM »
This isn't directly related to Student attendance, but I remembered reading an article over the summer about how some college athletic departments were changing how they approached ticket sales.  These schools (it was in regards to football tickets) had to compete in Pro football towns, and were struggling to sell tickets to even marquee games; some of the ADs in the article said the old model for Universities had always been centered around "inbound" ticket sales.  Ie. people call the ticket office asking to buy tickets.  But, in the face of pro competition in their cities these programs were now spending more on "outbound" ticket sales, aka tele-marketing, and calling businesses and other groups to actively sell blocks of tickets. 

As we've heard here a million times, student involvement at SJU is low, and it doesn't appear that anything short of winning will fix that.  And even being successful on the court is a short-lived fix usually because we're bound to have a down year occasionally. 

I found the article I was thinking of along with another one about BC's decision to hire the Red Sox ticket consultants to formulate a marketing/ticket sales plan that actively reached out to football/basketball fans in the area, even non-alums. 

"Urban planning: Existing alongside NFL"  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=6676377

"BC Knows it's a Pro Market"   http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/news/story?id=6699782

and lastly when I searched ESPN for the original article the results came up with this inside look at Marquette's marketing strategy
"...Creativity is King When Marketing Smaller Programs"    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2552239


It'd be interesting if any posters have any insight into whether SJU uses any outside consultants or firms for their marketing/ticket strategy.   I know many of you guys are close with people in the Athletics and ticket offices, but with the Lavin Era hopefully taking off, it may be time to rethink how we sell the program.

I certainly think there are many non-alums who would enjoy SJU basketball, and become loyal fans.   I have a handful of non-alum friends who came to the Pitt game last year and are coming back for 3 or 4 games this year because they became fans of the program.
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