Phil Greene

Quote from: MCNPA on January 30, 2012, 10:15:07 AM

Quote from: Marillac on January 30, 2012, 10:10:25 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on January 30, 2012, 08:37:09 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2012, 12:20:35 AM

One thing people either fail to realize or mention is the benefit that Greene is getting all this time it will make him a better player in the end. He's getting battle tested now.

His role on his team will be so much more focused with additional bodies on the roster he will excel.

Greene will be the ultimate role-player for us.  The guy that comes in and defends and can play ever guard spot well without losing much at all.  I really like Phil's game.   He's getting better all the time.  Maybe he's not a full-time starter on that theoretical monster team we're trying to build, but he'll earn plenty of quality minutes over next four years and be an extremely valuable asset.  He's the glue guy that is here even if a guy skips to the nba and we aren't wanton for a guard with nobody in sight except a walkon.   Quality player who is getting better all the time.

Greene could be much more than a role player.  I think for next year, at least, it will be more like three "starters" at guard.  I know Lav likes to keep the starting lineup pretty fluid so guys don't get complacent either inside that lineup or just outside.  A sensational week of practice for a kid #6 or #7 on the depth chart could mean he gets the start.

I just love Greene's game.  He's got some holes to patch up for sure, but let's be fair with the comparisons...Moe and Harrison are not very fair.  Even Quinn Cook and some other highly ranked players are more appropriate.  This kid can do it all, I think we see some three-guard lineups next year.   The ground he covers on defense already is pretty great.  When we really start with the no mercy trapping next year, he'll be a beast.

Agree.  I don't mean role-player as in one getting spot duty when others are tired.  He could easily garner as many minutes as our other guards because he can spell both guard spots and play in 3-guard lineups.  I think the term role-player might have had the wrong connotation and not as I intended.  Dennis Rodman was a role-player as a rebounder but was much more impactful than one might assume from the title. 

Green just needs to do what he's doing now.  If he tightens his shooting a bit and adds some strength, he's a guy that will be tough.  Love his defensive ability as well.  He'll continue to get better.

Greene is super quick and has a feel for the basket. He just needs to tighten his handle a bit and gain experience. He will be more than an adequate outside shooter and third guard for his career. He will have a career at St Johns similar to Paris Horne (maybe not so many 3's) and thats pretty good.

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.


The stat sheet could not disagree with you more. Horne shot 45% as a frosh. Greene is shooting 34%. The stat sheet wants to know why people continue to ignore all the hard work he does. He feels very under appreciated.

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.

Greene is 10-49 on three pointers. And in the last three games (perhaps his best three games) he has shot 2-8.

Horne finished a couple of 3's off from being the all time leader at STJ.

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.


The stat sheet could not disagree with you more. Horne shot 45% as a frosh. Greene is shooting 34%. The stat sheet wants to know why people continue to ignore all the hard work he does. He feels very under appreciated.

One of my favorite moves I've seen emerge from Phil is when he quickly dribbles around a screen, getting past his defender, and pulling up for a soft jumper at 10-12 feet.  Once his outside shot develops a little bit more more, he'll have a strong outside shot threat which will permit even more penetration and assists.

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.


The stat sheet could not disagree with you more. Horne shot 45% as a frosh. Greene is shooting 34%. The stat sheet wants to know why people continue to ignore all the hard work he does. He feels very under appreciated.

If you're looking at the statsheet for guidance, Greene's game looks like it's tracking Hardy more than Horne from last year's squad, as Hardy as a junior shot 39% (and honestly, as a junior, I didn't see Hardy's senior year coming at all).  If Greene works hard on his shooting each year, he can wind up being a better shooter (percentage wise) than Hardy.

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.


The stat sheet could not disagree with you more. Horne shot 45% as a frosh. Greene is shooting 34%. The stat sheet wants to know why people continue to ignore all the hard work he does. He feels very under appreciated.

Paris only took 203 shots his freshman season and Phil is almost at 170 already.  Phil has been required to force more offense and had some bad games early.  The stats don't tell everything.  Doesn't mean Greene won't be better by the end of his career here.

I do not think Greene will be a better player than Horne and especially not Hardy. Team needs another shooter. If Lavin recruits one in the next year or so it will move Greene down to the 4th guard which seems about right to me.

I do not think Greene will be a better player than Horne and especially not Hardy. Team needs another shooter. If Lavin recruits one in the next year or so it will move Greene down to the 4th guard which seems about right to me.

WASJU, on one hand, you want to argue stats, as the stats don't lie, but they also don't give the whole story either.  On the other hand, you don't "think" Greene has a shot at being as good a player as Horne and Hardy were in their senior years.  That's fine, since it's your opinion, but I don't agree with the way you have foreclosed any possibility that Greene will significantly improve over the next few years.  Time will tell whether Greene is nothing more than a solid player off the bench or a real contributor to the team's success.  Based on the way Greene has improved his game this year in a really tough spot, I obviously think his ceiling is much higher than you do.

I am not in love with stats and I do believe that you have to consider circumstances. 34% SHOOTING IS HARD TO IGNORE HOWEVER.

"I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris."

"He will have a career at St Johns similar to Paris Horne (maybe not so many 3's)"   

There is no need to disparage our legends and disrespect my favorite player in order to heap praise on Mr. Greene.  Hilton was a better shooter than the great D'buckets even every place but at the line.  I like Phil as much as the next guy but any comparisions with Hilton at this stage is laughable:

Paris  .453 overall and .377 from 3
Dwight .448 overall and .354 from 3
Phil won't list stats in order to protect the innocent

Offensively, it's actually pretty spot if you look at Paris and Phil as freshman. Paris, was able to play his natural position.

  Please stop the Paris / Phil Greene shooting comparisons.  Its embarrassing. 

 

Offensively, it's actually pretty spot if you look at Paris and Phil as freshman. Paris, was able to play his natural position.

Paris as freshman from 3 puts that comparison away.

Quote from: Marillac on January 30, 2012, 10:28:17 AM

I actually think Greene will be a better outside shooter than Paris.  I think he'll be a very streaky scorer...a kid that can put up 6-10 points in a row or in a  span of just a few minutes on several times a season.  He feeds off the swagger and picks up the "you can't stop me" approach he starts making baskets.  When his shot is falling he will be pretty close to unstoppable with his ability to penetrate and hit that floater.  I can't wait to see these kids as sophomores...I think they are a certain NCAA tournament team as is with just Branch.

Greene is 10-49 on three pointers. And in the last three games (perhaps his best three games) he has shot 2-8.

Stats don't reflect many factors.  Horne scored off wide-open three's and dunks/layups for 90% of his buckets.  Greene takes a ton of contested shots and the vast majority are produced by Greene himself off the bounce. 

I grew to love Horne, but the Horne was not a strong scorer off the bounce.  He became a very solid set shooter, but Greene will be a better shooter and a better scorer before all is said and done. 

Height is overrated.

Experience is underrated.

i agree 100%.

i would much rather have a player like dejuan blair than a 7 footer that is getting by on his height. that dude blair was hungry.

Wasju I think he is gonna far better than what we think. If he bust his ass this summer and tighten up his handle he is gonna be a for real problem. I mean a very scary person to guard

Wasju I think he is gonna far better than what we think. If he bust his ass this summer and tighten up his handle he is gonna be a for real problem. I mean a very scary person to guard

KOB is right.  Nobody guards Green closely because he separates so fast.  He just doesn't know what to do with it yet once he beats his man.  Some work and he'll be real good.  You can see he has the tools.

The stat sheet could not disagree with you more. Horne shot 45% as a frosh. Greene is shooting 34%. The stat sheet wants to know why people continue to ignore all the hard work he does. He feels very under appreciated.

Emoticon.

Quote from: kob24 on January 31, 2012, 01:04:59 AM

Wasju I think he is gonna far better than what we think. If he bust his ass this summer and tighten up his handle he is gonna be a for real problem. I mean a very scary person to guard

KOB is right.  Nobody guards Green closely because he separates so fast.  He just doesn't know what to do with it yet once he beats his man.  Some work and he'll be real good.  You can see he has the tools.

Doesn't know what to do with it? Isn't that a pretty common basketball instinct to score or pass?