Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant

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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #180 on: February 10, 2012, 08:26:11 AM »
Some peeps gotta realize where they are in the food chain.

Has St.John's ever had a worse scholarship player?

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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #181 on: February 10, 2012, 08:33:39 AM »
Some peeps gotta realize where they are in the food chain.

Has St.John's ever had a worse scholarship player?

Are you referring to Stith?   If so.. How can you measure who was the worst?  I can think of a lot of mediocre players over the years.. but it's kind of hard to call them out by name man.  People get salty when a player either leaves or de commits this program...  Wouldn't it suck if everyone called you out on your own life decisions? :)

Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #182 on: February 10, 2012, 09:25:18 AM »
The funny thing is every ones gonna be crying that he left when he's scoring 15+ for Post, just like Ty Edmonson, Q Roberts, and Ced

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« Reply #183 on: February 10, 2012, 09:42:57 AM »
The funny thing is every ones gonna be crying that he left when he's scoring 15+ for Post, just like Ty Edmonson, Q Roberts, and Ced

I don't think he starts for CW Post. I watched him play against them and he couldnt keep up. That's not a knock on him because he quit, he wasn't able to play at that level.

Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #184 on: February 10, 2012, 10:00:00 AM »
I don't think he starts for CW Post. I watched him play against them and he couldnt keep up. That's not a knock on him because he quit, he wasn't able to play at that level.

Stith was terrible. No one was arguing that. HOWEVER he was our 7th best player.  Whose fault is that? The coaching staff! People should stop killing Stith for stinking and instead understand that, believe it or not losing someone with Stiths ability actually hurts this team. We now have 6 players. One injury, one foul out and either walkons are going to play or Mr Personality is going to have to pull a coach Dale and go with four players. Our GM better have JUCOS and Norm type recruits lined up becuase he is going to need to bring in a minimum of 5 players next season to avoid this happening again.

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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #185 on: February 10, 2012, 11:00:03 AM »
@bball_fan:

I'm not saying you are not friends with Stith, or that what you were told is incorrect, just merely going to state my opinion on the matter (strictly opinion).  What you claim Stith said about him not liking the "playing style" doesn't really make sense to me.  Not for nothing, is playing style really important when you're playing 5 minutes a game?  As far as practices being much more difficult the response is twofold.  First off, if you don't want a hard practice, don't play in the Big East.  Secondly, is this not the same coaching staff that was present last season?  I would imagine the practice style hasn't changed much (outside of having half the bodies).  In addition, if it was an issue with coach Dunlap (or anyone else for that matter), why come back this season only to leave with 8 games left?  It just leads me to believe personal reasons (such as family issues) makes more sense as a reason to bail now.  I wouldn't imagine there was any ill will if his father was seen at the game, but who knows, I'm not inside any of their heads.  Like I said, just my opinion.

As it stands, i'll believe what I read about Stith citing family reasons, and I still respect him for staying at SJU even though he was being recruited over with no chance of significant playing time.  I appreciate the hard work he has put in, as well as his help with getting our Fresh 5 accustomed to BE play.  I wish him the best of luck in the future.

i never said he left strictly because of dunlap's practice regiment. It was a combination of that plus not seeing any personal growth, gain, or shine. Most coaches that are ridiculously strict or tough will have their players stick with them if the players personally benefit through winning, exposure, etc. If you have the tough practice regiment combined with no personal gain or growth, thats like having the worst of both worlds. Like i said originally, i dont personally agree with stiths decision. Just explaining where it came from.
    Those arent good enough reasons to quit midseason when you only have 6 teammates, should have left at end of season. Furtheremore ,he should be able to learn something from this staff.    I sure hope non of the other players feel the sameway and leave after the season ends.

Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #186 on: February 10, 2012, 11:13:21 AM »
Some peeps gotta realize where they are in the food chain.

Has St.John's ever had a worse scholarship player?

Wudn't referring to Malik Stith.
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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #187 on: February 10, 2012, 11:16:50 AM »
Choz - Dunlap?

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« Reply #188 on: February 10, 2012, 11:59:41 AM »
From all of the different people talking about why Stith left, its pretty clear he was not dealing with some sort of family problem that required or need his full attention. That is a good thing because no one wants to hear about something like that.

With that being said, the kid is a quitter, period. It was made very clear to him when Lavin took over that he might be better served to leave the program for other opportunities and he made the adult decision to stay. Life was ok for him last year when the Seniors stepped up, embraced what was being taught and got back to the Tournament. Life was ok for Stith when the team was doing well and he was getting spotty minutes at best.

This year he was playing a little more but not getting the bulk of the minutes even after Lindsey transfered and then has to see Branch waiting in the wings. He knew he was not getting additional playing time this year or next year and instead of being man and doing the right thing for his friends, he quit on his team.

It sucks to lose the player to give the kids a breather now and then but Stith is not and never was a Big East caliber player. I would not let him near the program if he quit the team aty this stage of the year over not getting along with Dunlap.

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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #189 on: February 10, 2012, 12:12:40 PM »
Choz - Dunlap?

I think he was talking about the guy who didn't check with the "home office"...

Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #190 on: February 10, 2012, 01:34:44 PM »
How do you know that Jamal White has a shot? Have you seen him shoot? Not trying to be a dick, but who is Jamal White?

In only two minutes and with only 2 attempts Jamal White has scored the same 3 pointers than Amir Garrett (2-11 in Big
East Conference) and more than Pointer (1-18 in Big East Conference).

Yeah Michael.  And you should know this but while it was all happening you were already slumped over in your seat on the train; half-way into your fourth tallboy - previously having been spotted leaving the Garden in a semi-comatose state mumbling incoherently about Anita Bryant...er Lyle Alzado and 3/4 defenses...er orange juice or soda or something or
other.   

Who and what is this post for?

I can see that our last couple,  the Malik III defection and people questioning the abilities of Fab Melo has put you in a surly mood.  I won't attempt humor in your general direction for awhile.  My bad.
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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #191 on: February 10, 2012, 02:04:13 PM »
We lost our two worst players.  It's not like Harrison, Moe, or Greene left us.

Nuri was not one of our two worst players.  In fact,  in some games of the 9 total he looked like our best.  In others he looked like our second best.

This post is so assanine...so infuriating...I just feel like punching a wall.  Nuri shot ZERO effing % from three (26 ATTEMPTS including scrimmages)...he shot FT's like he wa a 7'4 360 tribesman that was just shown a basketball for the first time...I've never seen a kid get his shot blocked so much...I've never seen a kid with such an inability to adjust to being called for charge after charge after charge...his defense was disgusting--I don't care what anyone says...and he still averaged 3.2 fouls per game!  Why? Because he was called for so many effing chafrges.  When coaches got this kid on tape, it was over.  Tell your bigs to plant their feet and let this idiot run into you withreckless abandon...if he get by you block his shot.  You cant get away with reckless drives at this level of basketball...this isn't high school.

Where did Nuri end up?  RIDER.  He was passed over by every single Big 10, SEC, ACC, PAC-10, Big East, A-10, and Big 12 school.  Harrison and Harkless were just named two of the top 10 freshman in the country by CBS.  What do you think would happen if Garret, Pointer, Green or even GG left?  They would be highly sought after and would surely end up at a school better than RIDER. 

Was Nuri our best player or second best player at Detriot when he scored 4 points and had SEVEN turnovers and zero assists?  Was he our best or second best player when he had 1 pt, 1 assist, FIVE turnovers and FIVE fouls against Kentucky in just 20 minutes?

This kid lost his job to Green and he bolted.  Stith was getting embarassed by Greene and Branch in practice...he bolted.  Big deal.
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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #192 on: February 10, 2012, 02:15:24 PM »
This post is so assanine...so infuriating...I just feel like punching a wall.  Nuri shot ZERO effing % from three (26 ATTEMPTS including scrimmages)...he shot FT's like he wa a 7'4 360 tribesman that was just shown a basketball for the first time...I've never seen a kid get his shot blocked so much...I've never seen a kid with such an inability to adjust to being called for charge after charge after charge...his defense was disgusting--I don't care what anyone says...and he still averaged 3.2 fouls per game!  Why? Because he was called for so many effnig chages.  When coaches got this kid on tape, it was over.  Tell your bigs to plant their feet and let this idiot run into you reckless abandon...if he get by you block his shot.  You cant get away with reckless drives at this level of basketball.

Where did Nuri end up?  LASALLE.

Was Nuri our best player or second best player at Detriot when he scored 4 points and had SEVEN turnovers and zero assists?  Was he our best or second best player when he had 1 pt, 1 assist, FIVE turnovers and FIVE fouls against Kentucky in just 20 minutes?

This kid lost his job to Green and he bolted.  Stith was getting embarassed by Greene and Branch in practice...he bolted.  Big deal.


Now the above rant def reminds me of Bluto's "was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor" speech. So now we are using "scrimmage stats" to try and prove a point. Senator Blutarsky would be impressed. Unfortunately for you I once saw Nuri hit 25 straight threes in a pickup game so there. And my buddy the official stat sheet informs me that Nuri's stats blow away Greenes's in almost every category. He asked for me to tell you that if you insist on making up stats he will have no to choice but to seek legal restitution.
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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #193 on: February 10, 2012, 02:25:59 PM »
This post is so assanine...so infuriating...I just feel like punching a wall.  Nuri shot ZERO effing % from three (26 ATTEMPTS including scrimmages)...he shot FT's like he wa a 7'4 360 tribesman that was just shown a basketball for the first time...I've never seen a kid get his shot blocked so much...I've never seen a kid with such an inability to adjust to being called for charge after charge after charge...his defense was disgusting--I don't care what anyone says...and he still averaged 3.2 fouls per game!  Why? Because he was called for so many effnig chages.  When coaches got this kid on tape, it was over.  Tell your bigs to plant their feet and let this idiot run into you reckless abandon...if he get by you block his shot.  You cant get away with reckless drives at this level of basketball.

Where did Nuri end up?  LASALLE.

Was Nuri our best player or second best player at Detriot when he scored 4 points and had SEVEN turnovers and zero assists?  Was he our best or second best player when he had 1 pt, 1 assist, FIVE turnovers and FIVE fouls against Kentucky in just 20 minutes?

This kid lost his job to Green and he bolted.  Stith was getting embarassed by Greene and Branch in practice...he bolted.  Big deal.


Now the above rant def reminds me of Bluto's "was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor" speech. So now we are using "scrimmage stats" to try and prove a point. Senator Blutarsky would be impressed. Unfortunately for you I once saw Nuri hit 25 straight threes in a pickup game so there. And my buddy the official stat sheet informs me that Nuri's stats blow away Greenes's in almost every category. He asked for me to tell you that if you insist on making up stats he will have no to choice but to seek legal restitution.

1) zero percent is pretty compelling no matter how ya serve it. 

2). Greene's stats in big east play have been very good, a sign that he has improved and is improving dramatically. 

Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #194 on: February 10, 2012, 02:29:34 PM »
1) zero percent is pretty compelling no matter how ya serve it

He was not a good outside shooter and he did not attempt many.

Greene for most of the year was hovering around Malik Boothe shooting % territory but has the third most attempts on the team. Greene is playing much better and would be a fine reserve player. Nuri was bettter and NO ONE was indicating that Greene should have started over him when they were both here.

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« Reply #195 on: February 10, 2012, 02:38:22 PM »
This post is so assanine...so infuriating...I just feel like punching a wall.  Nuri shot ZERO effing % from three (26 ATTEMPTS including scrimmages)...he shot FT's like he wa a 7'4 360 tribesman that was just shown a basketball for the first time...I've never seen a kid get his shot blocked so much...I've never seen a kid with such an inability to adjust to being called for charge after charge after charge...his defense was disgusting--I don't care what anyone says...and he still averaged 3.2 fouls per game!  Why? Because he was called for so many effnig chages.  When coaches got this kid on tape, it was over.  Tell your bigs to plant their feet and let this idiot run into you reckless abandon...if he get by you block his shot.  You cant get away with reckless drives at this level of basketball.

Where did Nuri end up?  LASALLE.

Was Nuri our best player or second best player at Detriot when he scored 4 points and had SEVEN turnovers and zero assists?  Was he our best or second best player when he had 1 pt, 1 assist, FIVE turnovers and FIVE fouls against Kentucky in just 20 minutes?

This kid lost his job to Green and he bolted.  Stith was getting embarassed by Greene and Branch in practice...he bolted.  Big deal.


Now the above rant def reminds me of Bluto's "was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor" speech. So now we are using "scrimmage stats" to try and prove a point. Senator Blutarsky would be impressed. Unfortunately for you I once saw Nuri hit 25 straight threes in a pickup game so there. And my buddy the official stat sheet informs me that Nuri's stats blow away Greenes's in almost every category. He asked for me to tell you that if you insist on making up stats he will have no to choice but to seek legal restitution.

Let's talk stats then.  Greene has a better than 2:1 assist to tunover ratio the last seven games since Branch joined the team.  Greene is a freshman with a ridiculously high ceiling whereas Nuri's ceiling was six feet, two inches high.  Greene's stats compare favorably to many freshman McDonald's All-Americans and top 50 recruits.  Greene is better than Josiah Turner in points, assists, FT %, 3 pt %, turnover ratio, etc.  He's right on par with Nick Johnson.

More stats:  0, the # of time Phil Greene has backed out of a college commitment.  He came on board after Nuri signed, he stayed when Nuri was given the starting PG job, and worked his arse off.  Another stat...Phil Greene isn't a college soph like Lindsey and he's not 21 years old. 

The most important stat:  1.  What is that?  The # of times Nuri Lindsey quit the St. John's basketbal team after Phil Greene TOOK his starting job. 

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« Reply #196 on: February 10, 2012, 03:09:03 PM »
The most important stat:  1.  What is that?  The # of times Nuri Lindsey quit the St. John's basketbal team after Phil Greene TOOK his starting job. 

By my count in the last year Wood, Gathers, Pelle, Sampson, Nuri, Polee and Stith "have quit" the team. So basically as many people have quit that have not if you include Branch with the 6 surviving players. Something is clearly wrong here! Hopefully Lavin can get healthy and figure out what "it" is.

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« Reply #197 on: February 10, 2012, 03:23:41 PM »
The most important stat:  1.  What is that?  The # of times Nuri Lindsey quit the St. John's basketbal team after Phil Greene TOOK his starting job. 

By my count in the last year Wood, Gathers, Pelle, Sampson, Nuri, Polee and Stith "have quit" the team. So basically as many people have quit that have not if you include Branch with the 6 surviving players. Something is clearly wrong here! Hopefully Lavin can get healthy and figure out what "it" is.

Only Nuri, Polee and Stith were enrolled.  Polee was forced to transfer by his father and didn't want to leave.  Stith was Norm's recruit who Lavin suggested upon taking the job, might be suited for a different level of play.  Now he quits.  Pelle and Sampson simply didnt qualify and neither has Wood thus far.   Regardless, none are or we're enrolled. 

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Re: Malik Stith Withdraws From Basketball Team, Will Remain As Student Assistant
« Reply #198 on: February 10, 2012, 03:32:36 PM »
This back and forth salvos are getting tiring. Let's see where we are in recruiting by April and judge the stability of the program after next season.

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« Reply #199 on: February 10, 2012, 03:38:01 PM »
  It is interesting to read all of these posts and see how certain people spin everything positive , while others go out of their way to spin everything negative.

 This season has been a disappointment for me, not on the court though.  I wasn't expecting much more than a .500 record.  With the loss of personnel and the non- qualifiers, I have become a bit dismayed though.  My biggest concern is for the kids still here and how they are feeling.  This is something that none of us are really privy to, except for a select few.

The best we can hope for now is that we snap up some good recruits in the NEAR future to get some positive press and the recent stink off the program. Bottom  line is i have faith in this staff.  These are not your normal circumstances.  Replacing a whole roster and having your coach get cancer at the same time.  I will personally wait till the spring signing period is over before blaming anyone for the lack of talent, players, and crap program. 

 No matter where you stand on this staff, we are leagues beyond where we were a few short years ago.  This sucks now, but so did the Giants at one point this season.   Keep the faith.  If you want to jump ship, go right ahead.  You won't be missed.  I mean, why come on a message board to just spew negativity constantly? Sorry for the rant...needed to vent.