Georgetown Game Discussion

How did this team manage to be down just three in the last minute or so of the game?  What a job by Dunlap...nothing short of amazing, really.
Anyone that doubts Dunlap needs to stand up, look in the mirror, and just admit they don't know a damn thing about basketball.   

One of the smartest post i've seen here in a long time

Incredible effort by the guys today.  They played hard from the opening tip and didn't stop until the final horn. 
Hoya fans were loud but you could sense that they were not feeling confident until the very end.
I hate to say it but not having Stith hurt us today.  An extra body would have helped with the foul situation, as well as with fatigue. 

I was obnoxious throughout the game.  I'm proud of the way the team played.  Glad I made the trip.

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Quote from: P1NSTR1PEZ on February 12, 2012, 02:44:45 PM

EVERYTIME St. John's gets close, G'Town hits a big 3

Dunlap's plan is to let them shoot wide open threes. It's not working.

So your plan is to extend our defense so they can pound it inside?  Give it a rest

No offense but I've been watching St.John's a lot longer than you. This is not a program that should ever play a match up zone. St.John's plays man to man defense until they foul out, or until they drop.

Don't be so sure of that.   

St.John's plays man to man defense. Of that, I'm sure. Dunlap sucks. You are what your record is.

According to your ignorant statement, the coach at Murray St. is better then Coach K?

Coach K plays man to man defense. Always.

We played zone under Jarvis when we got a 2 seed in the tournament. At the time it bothered me because it was such a passive zone. But we had to because we only played 7 guys. Our matchup zone this year is much better.

I also think Dunlap did a great job, tough to win with 2.5 offensive players. During the game I mentioned we are short on talent. Maybe talent isn't the right word, but it it is tough to win in the big east when your wing players can't dribble or shoot. I love Dom and Amir, but I coach middle school players who can dribble and shoot better.

It's fine for this year, but moral victories shouldn't be a thing any year past this one.

It's fine for this year, but moral victories shouldn't be a thing any year past this one.

0-10 vs the top 25. Worst in the nation. But, somehow, he's a genius because he beat Depaul.

It pains me not to see these guys go a little harder on defense but with that, they're playing responsibly with only a 6 man rotation.  Just more bodies would make us a better team.  With that said, they could have lost it time after time in the first and second half yet each time they went on a small spurt to pull the game close again.  Very impressive job by Dunlap but also by the 6 guys out there not to lose faith in their team.  I think you can see how that Duke game really helped us turn the corner.  I'm so proud of their effort...only wish maybe Dunlap had used the rest of his timeouts to buy our guys a little more rest.

The blaming of Dunlap for using a match up zone only is not likely the exact way it should be looked at.  The use of the matchup zone is a "coaching" decision that rests with the entire staff, including Steve.  Think back to last year and the use of the match up zone and was Dunlap sitting in the head coaching seat?  No! 

If you remember the coaches gave up partially on the match up after the fordham game when it was not working as they could not teach the old dogs new tricks BUT they went back to it in combination with the Man defense as the season went on and the lads picked up the concept.  It is a fact of life that a zone will produce less fouls for the defense than the man--countless times we have heard an announcer/analyst say that a team switched to a zone to protect a player with foul trouble.  Given the state of our bench and experience the coaches probably feel the zone best protects the players.  Also this was the second game versus them and we went from a 20 point homecourt loss to a game we were in with 2 minutes to go.  Georgetown won because Lubick had the game of his career.

Quote from: Dan on February 12, 2012, 05:18:45 PM

It's fine for this year, but moral victories shouldn't be a thing any year past this one.

0-10 vs the top 25. Worst in the nation. But, somehow, he's a genius because he beat Depaul.

Worst in the nation because we are the only ones who played 10 ranked teams?  You can look at that two ways, no surprise you choose to go to the negative side.  You can't just be pleased with the fact these kids come back as sophs after playing 11-12 ranked oppoents?

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Quote from: Dan on February 12, 2012, 05:18:45 PM

It's fine for this year, but moral victories shouldn't be a thing any year past this one.

0-10 vs the top 25. Worst in the nation. But, somehow, he's a genius because he beat Depaul.

Worst in the nation because we are the only ones who played 10 ranked teams?  You can look at that two ways, no surprise you choose to go to the negative side.  You can't just be pleased with the fact these kids come back as sophs after playing 11-12 ranked oppoents?

I would rather lose to 10 ranked teams than beat 10 Austin Peay's, especially with this baptism under fire year we aare having. These kids are going to be fabulous next year with reinforcements. I still do not understand the negativity this year considering how undermanned we are.

Georgetown got a real scare today.  I was pleased with the effort and the coaching.  I like what I am seeing out of our young team.

How do we know that what we have will be back? We don't even know if/when our coach is coming back.

How do we know that what we have will be back? We don't even know if/when our coach is coming back.

 Poison, come back to us. Your crossing over to the dark side.   We can play these games all day long. What if harkless goes pro? What if so and so transfers, what if Boeheim gets hit by a bus?   

 I wish everyone would stop freaking out. We lost by a few points to the #11 team in the country on the road, with 6 players.  Big effing deal.  Sack-up and deal with it.  I hope our staff has more intestinal fortitude than the majority of our posters/fans.  Bunch of whiny little bitches if you ask me.   

Quote from: Poison on February 12, 2012, 09:07:01 PM

How do we know that what we have will be back? We don't even know if/when our coach is coming back.

 Poison, come back to us. Your crossing over to the dark side.   We can play these g
ames all day long. What if harkless goes pro? What if so and so transfers, what if Boeheim gets hit by a bus?   

 I wish everyone would stop freaking out. We lost by a few points to the #11 team in the country on the road, with 6 players.  Big effing deal.  Sack-up and deal with it.  I hope our staff has more intestinal fortitude than the majority of our
posters/fans.  Bunch of whiny little bitches if you ask me.   

Sorry. It has been a long weekend as a St.John's fan and Red/White member.

I am amazed by the negativity on this board. Roberts left us for dead with an all senior class. The administration has to take the blame for allowing the situation to get that terrible. Lavin comes in and performs a miracle. He restores us to credibility. He hires a wonderful staff--the best by far SJU has ever had. Takes Roberts guys and brings us to NCAA and wins some great games against top 5 teams like Pitt, Duke, Gt et al. Then he recruits a great frosh class--top 100 recruits who would not have taken Roberts phone calls and are here only because of Lavin.  And here we sit criticizing him because 2 of the 6 did not qualify. And because he is not returning to bench fast enough--even though no one bitching has the medical  expertise to offer any opinion at all on the subject. We supposed to be fans, not nattering nabobs of negativity. I would not want to be in a foxhole with any of this shallow crew. It really is embarassing. And if you have to be negative, make one post, don't repeat your negativity ad nauseam in every thread. You are ruining the site.

I thought the team played hard and would have made it even closer if the refs hadn't blown several calls-no I'm not blaming the loss on the refs (they didn't help us-they hurt us IMHO) but we lost to a deeper and more experienced team-a team that is better than us right now.  The players didn't quit and the coaches did well- neither were perfect but they were good.  The addition of Branch and one or two good bigs and we win games like this next year.
Poison-truly we don't know for sure who will return, but then we don't know if we, ourselves, will live through the day.  I prefer to be optimistic about both.  Keeps me happier and costs me nothing-if I'm wrong I probably won't know about one event and as for the returning players -I'll "suffer" only when I know they will not be back.  For those that prefer to suffer in advance-oh well-sorry-G-d Bless.

Weird thing about the refs.  The foul discrepency was so great in Georgetown's favor in the first half.  Then it was the exact opposite in the second half.  In the end, I guess, it all evened out.

Someone posted about lack of defensive effort.  That is totally wrong.  The guys played hard on both ends of the floor.  Near the end of the game, Moe lost a rebound out of bounds.  I was sitting behind that basket and I could see that Moe was totally exhausted.  More bodies next year will result in greater efficiency toward the end of the game.

Weird thing about the refs.  The foul discrepency was so great in Georgetown's favor in the first half.  Then it was the exact opposite in the second half.  In the end, I guess, it all evened out.

Someone posted about lack of defensive effort.  That is totally wrong.  The guys played hard on both ends of the floor.  Near the end of the game, Moe lost a rebound out of bounds.  I was sitting behind that basket and I could see that Moe was totally exhausted.  More bodies next year will result in greater efficiency toward the end of the game.

Dunlap may not want to play walk ons, but it is now his responsibility to. Even when they deserve to win, they can't because we simply don't have enough bodies. If we're going to foul because we're exhausted, let Jamal White do it.

Keady in postgame interview said he loved Amir today and his hard fouls and how he wished some of the other bigs were as intense

Coach K has ben adamant in toughening up our interior defense, telling the guys not to allow those dunks or forays into the paint.