Coaching Carousel Begins

Quote from: LJSA on March 15, 2012, 05:25:17 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 12:33:28 PM

Quote from: LJSA on March 15, 2012, 11:49:55 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 09:31:40 AM

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

Do you think they land a big name?

All depends on who you consider a big name.  Was Bill Self a big name when he left Tulsa for Illinois?  It is not the best job in the Big 10 but it is a very good one with big expectations.  I think they can get a Shaka Smart.

I would definitely consider Smart among the biggest names of coaches who could be lured from their current job, so I'd be happy if I were an Illinois fan if that's who they get.

I like Shaka, but he scares me for a big-time job.  Less than 3 years experience to judge.  Yes, he got to a final four his 2nd season.  But that was with 4 seniors in his top five.  2nd year, 4 seniors, you do the math.   Yes, he has a terrific pedigree as an assistant.  AN ASSISTANT.  A school  signing Shaka is basically committing to 5-7 years of whatever he can produce.  As of yet, you don't know WHAT that is, espeically in terms of recruiting, dealing with star egos, etc.  Do you really can a Bruce Weber, and then go with an unproven commodity?  Shaka IS Bruce Weber 9 years ago.

As I said, I lke Shaka.  But he scares me for a big-time job.

Lucky for me I wouldn't have canned Bruce, so I wouldn't have to make that decision.

I'd call Brad Stevens, but not sure of his interest or buyout burden.

CR - totally agree there, he is winning with players he didn't recruit. He needs to stand on his own classes for a few years to establish himself.

UAB Dismisses Davis

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7696415/uab-blazers-fire-men-basketball-coach-mike-davis

UAB Dismisses Davis

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7696415/uab-blazers-fire-men-basketball-coach-mike-davis

Some of these coaches should jump, even if it means going down a class, when they have a chance.  What I mean is people scratched their heads when Steve Alford left Iowa for New Mexico St.  They aren't scratching their heads now.  Alford knew that his limited success at Iowa might catch up to him and he could be facing his own ouster.

2 years ago Greg McDermott left Iowa St to go back to the MVC and take over at Creighton after Dana Altman left for the Oregon job. 

Last year Weber had a chance to leave Illinois for the Oklahoma job and Davis had a chance at the Miami job last year as well.  Sometimes you have to look ahead a few years and contemplate what may/may not happen.  Even if that means making a lateral move or perhaps even a step down.

Great example of this might be Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss.  Coached at Cincy for 1 year after Huggins was fired.  Basically Kennedy maybe a candidate at UAB.  He has done a decent job at Ole Miss especially considering it is not one of the elite jobs in the SEC.  I think he has gone to several NIT's in 6 years.  But again the fans are going to start demanding NCAA runs and eventually he may say this job is a bit too difficult with Cal and Donovan in the league.  If he were offered the UAB job does he jump even though it is a step down? 

Nice post!

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2012, 01:03:29 PM

UAB Dismisses Davis

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7696415/uab-blazers-fire-men-basketball-coach-mike-davis

Some of these coaches should jump, even if it means going down a class, when they have a chance.  What I mean is people scratched their heads when Steve Alford left Iowa for New Mexico St.  They aren't scratching their heads now.  Alford knew that his limited success at Iowa might catch up to him and he could be facing his own ouster.

2 years ago Greg McDermott left Iowa St to go back to the MVC and take over at Creighton after Dana Altman left for the Oregon job. 

Last year Weber had a chance to leave Illinois for the Oklahoma job and Davis had a chance at the Miami job last year as well.  Sometimes you have to look ahead a few years and contemplate what may/may not happen.  Even if that means making a lateral move or perhaps even a step down.

Great example of this might be Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss.  Coached at Cincy for 1 year after Huggins was fired.  Basically Kennedy maybe a candidate at UAB.  He has done a decent job at Ole Miss especially considering it is not one of the elite jobs in the SEC.  I think he has gone to several NIT's in 6 years.  But again the fans are going to start demanding NCAA runs and eventually he may say this job is a bit too difficult with Cal and Donovan in the league.  If he were offered the UAB job does he jump even though it is a step down?

Davis seriously had a chance to leave Conf-USA for the ACC?   Unless he knew about the scandel about to break, that's a poor decision.   After fizzling out in the Big 10 at IU, 2nd chances for jobs in elite conferences don't come along that often...

Quote from: fordham96 on March 16, 2012, 01:44:01 PM

Quote from: redmen4life on March 16, 2012, 01:03:29 PM

UAB Dismisses Davis

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7696415/uab-blazers-fire-men-basketball-coach-mike-davis

Some of these coaches should jump, even if it means going down a class, when they have a chance.  What I mean is people scratched their heads when Steve Alford left Iowa for New Mexico St.  They aren't scratching their heads now.  Alford knew that his limited success at Iowa might catch up to him and he could be facing his own ouster.

2 years ago Greg McDermott left Iowa St to go back to the MVC and take over at Creighton after Dana Altman left for the Oregon job. 

Last year Weber had a chance to leave Illinois for the Oklahoma job and Davis had a chance at the Miami job last year as well.  Sometimes you have to look ahead a few years and contemplate what may/may not happen.  Even if that means making a lateral move or perhaps even a step down.

Great example of this might be Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss.  Coached at Cincy for 1 year after Huggins was fired.  Basically Kennedy maybe a candidate at UAB.  He has done a decent job at Ole Miss especially considering it is not one of the elite jobs in the SEC.  I think he has gone to several NIT's in 6 years.  But again the fans are going to start demanding NCAA runs and eventually he may say this job is a bit too difficult with Cal and Donovan in the league.  If he were offered the UAB job does he jump even though it is a step down?

Davis seriously had a chance to leave Conf-USA for the ACC?   Unless he knew about the scandel about to break, that's a poor decision.   After fizzling out in the Big 10 at IU, 2nd chances for jobs in elite conferences don't come along that often...

Well he was a upper tier candidate for the Miami job last year.  Again no guarantee he would have gotten it but I think he turned down an offer to interview.

Quote from: LJSA on March 15, 2012, 05:25:17 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 12:33:28 PM

Quote from: LJSA on March 15, 2012, 11:49:55 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 09:31:40 AM

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

Do you think they land a big name?

All depends on who you consider a big name.  Was Bill Self a big name when he left Tulsa for Illinois?  It is not the best job in the Big 10 but it is a very good one with big expectations.  I think they can get a Shaka Smart.

I would definitely consider Smart among the biggest names of coaches who could be lured from their current job, so I'd be happy if I were an Illinois fan if that's who they get.

I like Shaka, but he scares me for a big-time job.  Less than 3 years experience to judge.  Yes, he got to a final four his 2nd season.  But that was with 4 seniors in his top five.  2nd year, 4 seniors, you do the math.   Yes, he has a terrific pedigree as an assistant.  AN ASSISTANT.  A school  signing Shaka is basically committing to 5-7 years of whatever he can produce.  As of yet, you don't know WHAT that is, espeically in terms of recruiting, dealing with star egos, etc.  Do you really can a Bruce Weber, and then go with an unproven commodity?  Shaka IS Bruce Weber 9 years ago.

As I said, I lke Shaka.  But he scares me for a big-time job.

Good Take cr.  I think a place like Nebraska might be good fit, unless they're going to throw big bucks at an established bigger name.

I hate to say it but another example of a guy not jumping at another opportunity even though it maybe perceived as a step down is Slice-Barry Rohrssen.

Turns down an opportunity to join his friend Coach Lavin to stay at Manhattan and then proceeds to get fired a year later.

I hate to say it but another example of a guy not jumping at another opportunity even though it maybe perceived as a step down is Slice-Barry Rohrssen.

Turns down an opportunity to join his friend Coach Lavin to stay at Manhattan and then proceeds to get fired a year later.

Saw Slice at several Pitt games this year.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 16, 2012, 03:56:33 PM

I hate to say it but another example of a guy not jumping at another opportunity even though it maybe perceived as a step down is Slice-Barry Rohrssen.

Turns down an opportunity to join his friend Coach Lavin to stay at Manhattan and then proceeds to get fired a year later.

Saw Slice at several Pitt games this year.

Saw Slice at some HS games in NJ

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2012, 03:57:53 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 16, 2012, 03:56:33 PM

I hate to say it but another example of a guy not jumping at another opportunity even though it maybe perceived as a step down is Slice-Barry Rohrssen.

Turns down an opportunity to join his friend Coach Lavin to stay at Manhattan and then proceeds to get fired a year later.

Saw Slice at several Pitt games this year.

Saw Slice at some HS games in NJ

Has the same tailor as John Gotti

Quote from: Moose on March 16, 2012, 03:59:09 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2012, 03:57:53 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 16, 2012, 03:56:33 PM

I hate to say it but another example of a guy not jumping at another opportunity even though it maybe perceived as a step down is Slice-Barry Rohrssen.

Turns down an opportunity to join his friend Coach Lavin to stay at Manhattan and then proceeds to get fired a year later.

Saw Slice at several Pitt games this year.

Saw Slice at some HS games in NJ

Has the same tailor as John Gotti

So does Wright.  He looked like a gangster yesterday on CBS

You want a hot name, current Ohio U coach John Groce.  Took over in July 2008, this is his 4th season.  Took Ohio to NCAA's 2 years ago and as a 14 seed knocked off Georgetown in the first round 3/14 game.  Now has taken Ohio U to the sweet 16 this year.  Former assistant to Thad Matta at OSU.

He'll get some looks and probably some interviews.  Probably not the top choice at Illinois but we'll see.

You want a hot name, current Ohio U coach John Groce.  Took over in July 2008, this is his 4th season.  Took Ohio to NCAA's 2 years ago and as a 14 seed knocked off Georgetown in the first round 3/14 game.  Now has taken Ohio U to the sweet 16 this year.  Former assistant to Thad Matta at OSU.

He'll get some looks and probably some interviews.  Probably not the top choice at Illinois but we'll see.

Maybe UNCC can trade him for Alan Major

Think the guy at Murray St gets a shot at a big job?

Think the guy at Murray St gets a shot at a big job?

After 1 year?

He just took over for Billy Kennedy.

Pretty good breakdown by CBS Sports:

Decommitments:

Josh Gray, Mississippi State
Larry Lewis, USC (2013)
Coaches leaving, recruits leaving?

With the coaching carousel picking up the past couple of weeks, we could see several recruits reopen their recruitments and look at some other options. Here are some of the higher-profile vacancies that could lead to decommitments:

Illinois: Michael Orris, Jalen James (2013), Malcolm Hill (2013)
Mississippi State: Fred Thomas, Craig Sword, Gavin Ware, P.J. Hardwick
South Carolina: Tyrone Haughton
Nebraska: Shavon Shields, Benny Parker, Keith Coleman, Jerran Young, Fahro Alihodzic
Rhode Island: Jordan Hare
SMU: Blaise Mbargorba, Brian Bernardi, Uche Ofoegbu
Southern Illinois: Bobo Drummond, Travis Wilkins
Tulsa: James Woodard, D'Andre Wright, Zeldric King
UAB: Cameron Golden, Chris Jones, Jerome Harris

Danny Hurley to URI is official:

http://www.silive.com/colleges/index.ssf/2012/03/dan_hurley_accepts_rhode_islan.html

And Illinois is going to go hard after Smart.  There is a connection.  The current AD at Illinois is the former AD at Akron when Smart was an assistant at Akron.  So they know each other and Shaka's wife is a grad of Northwestern and he is from Wisconsin so there is a lot of midwest/Big 10 connections there as well.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/11403066-419/sources-say-illinois-pursuing-shaka-smart-to-be-its-basketball-coach.html

Illinois is a great job for Smart if he takes it.