DJ Kennedy on Erie Bayhawks

Ya DJ sucked his 1st 3 years here

Give Coach Norm some love yall

Baldi shut up. Congrats DeeJ. Way to hang in there. Hard work pays off. Thanks for your contrib to the Johnny program.

Great to see another Johnny in the league. Next year makes 3.

He can get some time in Cleveland

Ya DJ sucked his 1st 3 years here

Give Coach Norm some love yall

Really no reason to even bring Norm up in this thread. Kudos to him for recruiting DJ, but there's nothing wrong with including DJ Kennedy on the list of players Lavin got into the NBA. Nothing at all. He's on Norm's list too, but that list is pretty small.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 21, 2012, 10:20:45 PM

Ya DJ sucked his 1st 3 years here

Give Coach Norm some love yall

Really no reason to even bring Norm up in this thread. Kudos to him for recruiting DJ, but there's nothing wrong with including DJ Kennedy on the list of players Lavin got into the NBA. Nothing at all. He's on Norm's list too, but that list is pretty small.

Agreed. No reason to bring any coaches into this thread.

Quote from: redstorm212 on April 21, 2012, 10:44:07 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 21, 2012, 10:20:45 PM

Ya DJ sucked his 1st 3 years here

Give Coach Norm some love yall

Really no reason to even bring Norm up in this thread. Kudos to him for recruiting DJ, but there's nothing wrong with including DJ Kennedy on the list of players Lavin got into the NBA. Nothing at all. He's on Norm's list too, but that list is pretty small.

Agreed. No reason to bring any coaches into this thread.

I'm not sure about that. The amount of players Lavin's been able to get into the NBA is impressive, no? Worth mentioning in this situation?

Might as well put the Erie Bayhawks coach in this thread also. Probably coached DJ longer than Steve

Might as well put the Erie Bayhawks coach in this thread also. Probably coached DJ longer than Steve

Is he the head coach at St. John's? Steve was brought up because he is our coach.

Might as well put the Erie Bayhawks coach in this thread also. Probably coached DJ longer than Steve

Give it a rest Baldi

Cavs are an NBA  team?

The issue was not whether Norm should be given credit for DJ's development.  He should, and I (and others, I'm sure), absolutely give him credit for not only bringing Kennedy to the Johnnies, but for the development of his game.  The posts were directed at the absurd notion that somehow Lavin and the current staff should not be given due for DJ making an NBA roster.  And if you watched the 2010-2011 season -- and most posters on here did on a game-in, game out basis -- there is no disputing the fact that our guys as a whole all benefited tremendously from the staff's tutelage, with some examples being more obvious (Brownlee and Hardy).

The issue was not whether Norm should be given credit for DJ's development.  He should, and I (and others, I'm sure), absolutely give him credit for not only bringing Kennedy to the Johnnies, but for the development of his game.  The posts were directed at the absurd notion that somehow Lavin and the current staff should not be given due for DJ making an NBA roster.  And if you watched the 2010-2011 season -- and most posters on here did on a game-in, game out basis -- there is no disputing the fact that our guys as a whole all benefited tremendously from the staff's tutelage, with some examples being more obvious (Brownlee and Hardy).

Norm gets credit for Kennedy. If you go to the grocery store, buy all of the ingredients and I then cook you a delicious gourmet dinner, you still get some of the credit.

Like I said -- agree 100%.

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 22, 2012, 03:28:34 PM

The issue was not whether Norm should be given credit for DJ's development.  He should, and I (and others, I'm sure), absolutely give him credit for not only bringing Kennedy to the Johnnies, but for the development of his game.  The posts were directed at the absurd notion that somehow Lavin and the current staff should not be given due for DJ making an NBA roster.  And if you watched the 2010-2011 season -- and most posters on here did on a game-in, game out basis -- there is no disputing the fact that our guys as a whole all benefited tremendously from the staff's tutelage, with some examples being more obvious (Brownlee and Hardy).

Norm gets credit for Kennedy. If you go to the grocery store, buy all of the ingredients and I then cook you a delicious gourmet dinner, you still get some of the credit.

Both get credit.   Same as Lavin shares credit with Howland for Ryan Hollins.   But to the recruits out there, that gives Norm 1 player to the NBA in 10 seasons as a head coach.   And as I said in the initial post, it gives Steve Lavin FOURTEEN  in 9 seasons.  A point I'm sure recruiting targets are made well aware of.   And that's VERY imporant for St. Johns.   14 in 9.   Before Steve Lavin,  to get 14 players into the NBA it's taken SJU 25 years - back to Walter Berry.     And if you use the "9" rather than the 14, the total is ONE in the previous 9 years - Omar Cook.     

How remarkable is all this?   Well, in the last 9 years, Mike Krzyzewski has sent 13 players to the NBA.  Ben Howland has sent 13.  Roy Williams has sent 13.  Calhoun has sent 12.   Tom Izzo has sent FOUR.   In all of basketball, in their past 9 years as head coaches, ONLY Calipari has sent more kids to the NBA than Steve Lavin .  ONLY Calipari.  (he's got 17 - thanks to 8 in the last 2 years).....

So c'mon Mo - you'll make it 15 in 9.  With luck, Buckets comes back from Italy and wins a roster spot out of the summer league to make it 16.  Hey maybe someone needs a defensive stopper and Paris gets a call up fromt he D-League in 2013 and cranks the total to 17 to tie Cal.  Heck, I'll even assign a credit if in some Bizzaro universe Nuri turns pro and makes a roster! .....   EVERY one makes getting the NEXT Sampson or Sanchez just a little bit easier....

He didn't play tonight against the Spurs, they have 3 games left this season.

And the Lavin count for NBA players is now...14 in 9 years as a head coach

Charles O'Bannon
Toby Bailey
JR Henderson
Jelani McCoy
Baron Davis
Jerome Moiso
Earl Watson
Dan Gadzuric
Matt Barnes
Jason kapono
Cedric Bozeman
Dijon Thompson
Ryan Hollins
DJ Kennedy

So...should Dwight Hardy have stayed home and gone the NBDL route as well?  Had a terrific year over in Italy (22.4 pts per game, shoot 51.6 from the floor and 81% from the line).  And I'm sure he made much more guaranteed money.   But out of sight/out of mind as far as the league is concerned....and that NBA minimum check DJ is gonna draw probably leapfrogs him over Bucket's euro-paycheck for the year.

NBA teams scout Europe-heck ESPN does with Fran F. If he deserves a shot some NBA team will give it to him.

Quote from: crgreen on April 21, 2012, 04:24:44 PM

And the Lavin count for NBA players is now...14 in 9 years as a head coach

Charles O'Bannon
Toby Bailey
JR Henderson
Jelani McCoy
Baron Davis
Jerome Moiso
Earl Watson
Dan Gadzuric
Matt Barnes
Jason kapono
Cedric Bozeman
Dijon Thompson
Ryan Hollins
DJ Kennedy

So...should Dwight Hardy have stayed home and gone the NBDL route as well?  Had a terrific year over in Italy (22.4 pts per game, shoot 51.6 from the floor and 81% from the line).  And I'm sure he made much more guaranteed money.   But out of sight/out of mind as far as the league is concerned....and that NBA minimum check DJ is gonna draw probably leapfrogs him over Bucket's euro-paycheck for the year.

NBA teams scout Europe-heck ESPN does with Fran F. If he deserves a shot some NBA team will give it to him.

I know the NBA scouts over there. But it's weird when you look at the numbers - how seldom a US pro playing overseas is brought directly back for an NBA gig.  Virtually all come back to the NBD first, and then make the jump.   Souldn't be that way I agree - good is good.  Why an Italian dominating the Italian League gets a "direct flight", while an American dominating there has to have a "layover" in Sioux City makes no sense.  But the numbers say they do...

Now I'm talking about kids that went overseas first.  Not guys who made the league, then for whatever reason ended up overseas and then were brought back.   There are plenty of instances of NBA teams bringing an NBA EXPERIENCED player directly back from overseas.  Usually Point Guards   But that's a different situataion than what we're discussing.

And the Lavin count for NBA players is now...14 in 9 years as a head coach

Charles O'Bannon
Toby Bailey
JR Henderson
Jelani McCoy
Baron Davis
Jerome Moiso
Earl Watson
Dan Gadzuric
Matt Barnes
Jason kapono
Cedric Bozeman
Dijon Thompson
Ryan Hollins
DJ Kennedy

So...should Dwight Hardy have stayed home and gone the NBDL route as well?  Had a terrific year over in Italy (22.4 pts per game, shoot 51.6 from the floor and 81% from the line).  And I'm sure he made much more guaranteed money.   But out of sight/out of mind as far as the league is concerned....and that NBA minimum check DJ is gonna draw probably leapfrogs him over Bucket's euro-paycheck for the year.

The NBA minimum salary this year is $490,000--a little over $7,000 a game--so it's unlikely that DJ will surpass Dwight's salary this year.  It is an interesting question, though.  Is a player better off trying the NBDL and having a much better chance of a late season call up, or are should they take the higher salary of the Euro ball?  I don't think Dwight will be an NBA player, so he probably made the right decision.

Quote from: crgreen on April 21, 2012, 04:24:44 PM

And the Lavin count for NBA players is now...14 in 9 years as a head coach

Charles O'Bannon
Toby Bailey
JR Henderson
Jelani McCoy
Baron Davis
Jerome Moiso
Earl Watson
Dan Gadzuric
Matt Barnes
Jason kapono
Cedric Bozeman
Dijon Thompson
Ryan Hollins
DJ Kennedy

So...should Dwight Hardy have stayed home and gone the NBDL route as well?  Had a terrific year over in Italy (22.4 pts per game, shoot 51.6 from the floor and 81% from the line).  And I'm sure he made much more guaranteed money.   But out of sight/out of mind as far as the league is concerned....and that NBA minimum check DJ is gonna draw probably leapfrogs him over Bucket's euro-paycheck for the year.

The NBA minimum salary this year is $490,000--a little over $7,000 a game--so it's unlikely that DJ will surpass Dwight's salary this year.  It is an interesting question, though.  Is a player better off trying the NBDL and having a much better chance of a late season call up, or are should they take the higher salary of the Euro ball?  I don't think Dwight will be an NBA player, so he probably made the right decision.

There were a ton of D-League call ups this year, but that might have had to do with the schedule. Also there are people like Toney Douglas who Dwight would out perform on an NBA floor.

Both get credit.   Same as Lavin shares credit with Howland for Ryan Hollins.   But to the recruits out there, that gives Norm 1 player to the NBA in 10 seasons as a head coach. 

Two: Cedric Jackson, the trailblazer of the Jamaica to Cleveland pipeline.