Justin Burrell

Congratulations, Justin!!!

Scotch feh
Tequila yeah
On me
When Foad I finally see.

Bravo

He'll get a look from league. He has always had the talent. If you look at guys like him and Evans, once they bought into Lavin's system, they started playing with a drastically improved basketball IQ. Now, both can add execution to their skill sets. I see both guys getting a look.

Quote from: Tha Kid on May 04, 2012, 11:14:23 AM

Bobre, simply, you said you congratulate and are happy for every former Redman who succeeds, something you claim I do not.  Where's your congratulations and happiness for Justin?  This IS a Justin thread.  Thanks in advance.

Kid- you are better off running into a brick wall head first.

Bobre-  how do you feel about the class coach put together this year.  I know you were extremely worried when no one was signed 6 weeks ago.  I apologize if I missed your " nice job , coach" post. 

Personally, I'm happy coach got it together.

I guess you missed my "hooray" post.  No big deal and I'm optimistic about our new class.  Maybe a little earlier start next time will reduce the pressure from here on.  Now, we need to have a good year to recreate some momentum and land a blue chipper to build around.

My favorite game of Justin's his senior year was against Pitt where he was bullying Gary McGhee

My favorite game of Justin's his senior year was against Pitt where he was bullying Gary McGhee

Still remember how happy he looked after that win. They all did

He'll get a look from league. He has always had the talent. If you look at guys like him and Evans, once they bought into Lavin's system, they started playing with a drastically improved basketball IQ. Now, both can add execution to their skill sets. I see both guys getting a look.

That's the first time I recall anyone saying that both Evans and Burrell would get a look.  My thanks for that.  Justin always had the bod and was a crown jewell for Norm.  Evans was a throw in football player who wasn't expected to produce anything before his junior year.  It was nice that he proved the rankings wrong and it's a feel good story that both SJU kids will possibly get a look.  That's the best part of college hoops to me.  Seeing Cjac get a shot was another.  Now if DJ, Hardy Horne and Brownlee catch a break they would all live happily ever after.  It's stories like Cook, Bootsy and Hatten that put a damper on the whole thing but that's the way it goes with the fickle NBA gurus.

Why does a story like Bootsy put a damper on anythign?  Bootsy has been very successful in the Italian leagues, one of the best in the world outside the NBA.  I don't think any of us ever thought Bootsy would be an NBA player.  He wasn't quite fast or athletic enough, and while his post game was awesome in college, as a 6'4 SG in the NBA there wouldn't be much room for that.  Bootsy has had a great Italian career.  Doesn't surprise me you don't know that.

Why does a story like Bootsy put a damper on anythign?  Bootsy has been very successful in the Italian leagues, one of the best in the world outside the NBA.  I don't think any of us ever thought Bootsy would be an NBA player.  He wasn't quite fast or athletic enough, and while his post game was awesome in college, as a 6'4 SG in the NBA there wouldn't be much room for that.  Bootsy has had a great Italian career.  Doesn't surprise me you don't know that.

I'm well aware of Bootsy's accomplishments and I was definitely one who thought he'd succeed in the NBA given the chance.  His ten game streak as a senior against great competition was the best run I've seen since Mullin and that alone should have bought him a shot.  That guy knew how to play the game the way it should be and I would have loved to see him in the league.  Look what Mark accomplished with ordinary physical qualifications.  Just basketbal politics.  The league is so into measurements etc. that they often miss out on crowd pleasers that would draw fans.  I hate Cuse but I also thought Macnamara would have sold some tickets as well.  There aren't enough Jeremy Lin stories for my taste.   

Fair enough, but there's a big difference between Mark and Bootsy.  Mark was an exceptional point guard.  If you are the one dictating the offense, you can have an exceptional basketball mind (think also, Stockton, Parker, none of whom are the best physical specimens in NBA terms), and that's enough to make you elite and NBA worthy.  They had an elite skill.  Bootsy did not have an elite skill - he was VERY good at everything.  In fact, he was probably elite at rebounding and posting up...for his size...but in the NBA he unfortunately would have been guarded by different players that he could not do that too.  Bootsy was a phenomenal college player, but he unfortunately was not an NBA talent.

Also, just curious, why would Gerry Macnamara sell any tickets for an NBA team?  The only guys that sell tickets are stars who play most of the game.  A back-end marginal NBA player never sells tix.

I do agree with you, that, given the shot, there could be more stories akin to Jeremy Lin...but they are going to come from extremely intelligent point guards --- thats the one thing that the NBA probably undervalues and is not as easy to see EXCEPT from watching them play the game.  They won't rate as well at combines, and in all-star type games they won't look great because everyone's a ball hog.  But in watching a real team during the regular season, a player like this can shine.  Enter J-Lin.  At all of the other positions, a player's value is harder to be hidden.  It certainly can be hidden or not as obvious, but not as much as an intelligent PG's value to an NBA team can be hidden through the drills/combines/etc.

Burrell is strong enough to guard bigger guys. Couldn't we see him coming off the bench for the Heat guarding Amare and physically wearing him down? His offensive game can be robotic, but I think his defense is strong enough for the league. Someone will take a chance in him.

My favorite game of Justin's his senior year was against Pitt where he was bullying Gary McGhee

Agree wholeheartedly with that one, Dave.

My favorite game of Justin's his senior year was against Pitt where he was bullying Gary McGhee

Agree wholeheartedly with that one, Dave.

I wonder if he could do the same to the real Brittney Griner.   

Fair enough, but there's a big difference between Mark and Bootsy.  Mark was an exceptional point guard.  If you are the one dictating the offense, you can have an exceptional basketball mind (think also, Stockton, Parker, none of whom are the best physical specimens in NBA terms), and that's enough to make you elite and NBA worthy.  They had an elite skill.  Bootsy did not have an elite skill - he was VERY good at everything.  In fact, he was probably elite at rebounding and posting up...for his size...but in the NBA he unfortunately would have been guarded by different players that he could not do that too.  Bootsy was a phenomenal college player, but he unfortunately was not an NBA talent.

Also, just curious, why would Gerry Macnamara sell any tickets for an NBA team?  The only guys that sell tickets are stars who play most of the game.  A back-end marginal NBA player never sells tix.

I do agree with you, that, given the shot, there could be more stories akin to Jeremy Lin...but they are going to come from extremely intelligent point guards --- thats the one thing that the NBA probably undervalues and is not as easy to see EXCEPT from watching them play the game.  They won't rate as well at combines, and in all-star type games they won't look great because everyone's a ball hog.  But in watching a real team during the regular season, a player like this can shine.  Enter J-Lin.  At all of the other positions, a player's value is harder to be hidden.  It certainly can be hidden or not as obvious, but not as much as an intelligent PG's value to an NBA team can be hidden through the drills/combines/etc.

I went to a sold out Scranton Yankee baseball game a while back and it was Jerry Macnamara night with bobble head dolls etc.  He really had a big following pretty far from Cuse.  I was impressed and thought it would have been nice to see him get a shot.  As it is a lot of NBA games are more like track meets than real games which is why attendance is so so.  There are a lot of colorful guys who are ignored for the lack of an inch or two or a couple of ticks of a stopwatch. I also would have paid to see Matt Brust lace em up but that's just personal preference.  Interesting that Charles Barkley might have missed out by today's standards. I just feel that players who dominate in major conferences can play regardles of what the scouts say. 

With MacNamara, I think he was a lot more a product of Syracuse and then veteran guile took him a long way where skill/athleticism did not.  He turned into somewhat of a volume shooter and that would never have worked for him in NBA.

As for Chuck, you are right that he was short but super athletic and could board.  Perhaps he falls into late first round or early second and someone gets a steal, that could be, but he certainyl would still have been drafted and still would have been a star, of course.  It's funny which guys have fallen into the 2nd round that were great in college, and became very good pros - Gilbert Arenas (til he went crazy), Carlos Boozer, Nick Van Exel, all had long NBA careers following very successful college careers, but for some reason were not drafted in round 1.  Never understood those.

Draymond Green will be an interesting one this draft.  Undersized for a 4, not agile enough to be a 3, but really was awesome for MSU.  Rumor is he's been promised first round, and the Celtics just worked him out.  Maybe he will break the trend you have been mentioning.

With MacNamara, I think he was a lot more a product of Syracuse and then veteran guile took him a long way where skill/athleticism did not.  He turned into somewhat of a volume shooter and that would never have worked for him in NBA.

As for Chuck, you are right that he was short but super athletic and could board.  Perhaps he falls into late first round or early second and someone gets a steal, that could be, but he certainyl would still have been drafted and still would have been a star, of course.  It's funny which guys have fallen into the 2nd round that were great in college, and became very good pros - Gilbert Arenas (til he went crazy), Carlos Boozer, Nick Van Exel, all had long NBA careers following very successful college careers, but for some reason were not drafted in round 1.  Never understood those.

Draymond Green will be an interesting one this draft.  Undersized for a 4, not agile enough to be a 3, but really was awesome for MSU.  Rumor is he's been promised first round, and the Celtics just worked him out.  Maybe he will break the trend you have been mentioning.

The one thing they haven't been able to measure is heart and sometimes that makes the difference.