NYT on Amir and the Reds

Quote from: desco80 on May 01, 2012, 12:38:05 PM

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yea surprised as well. Maybe football uses a step with their vertical testing, while amirs 32 inch is just from the stand still. I would think his would be higher

Our own Iman Shumpert scored the best vertical jump (no step) from the 2011 NBA pre-draft combine camp with 36.5 inches.   I think Jordan was rummored to have scored a 48 inch jump, but I'm not sure that's true. Amir's 32 doesn't seem freakish at all in comparison.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 01, 2012, 01:19:40 PM

Quote from: desco80 on May 01, 2012, 12:38:05 PM

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yea surprised as well. Maybe football uses a step with their vertical testing, while amirs 32 inch is just from the stand still. I would think his would be higher

Our own Iman Shumpert scored the best vertical jump (no step) from the 2011 NBA pre-draft combine camp with 36.5 inches.   I think Jordan was rummored to have scored a 48 inch jump, but I'm not sure that's true. Amir's 32 doesn't seem freakish at all in comparison.

Actually, the NBA pre-draft measurements showed Shumpert with a 42" in Vertical.   

Best they ever recorded was Kenny Gregory back in 2001 witha 45".  Nate Robinson's tied for 2nd witha 43.5.  Vince Carter is 4th with a 43 even, tied with Jamario Moon.   Shumpert's 42" places him 9th - tied with Josh Selby, Patrick Ewing Jr, and....Jordan Farmar??? 

The all time recrord is a disputed 60" by a 5'11 frenchman named Kadour Ziani.  He has an UN-disputed vertical of 56"...

Here's the link to the pre-draft measurements database:  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=12

Usually the smaller you are, the higher you can jump. Which is why all the WR's and CB's have a bigger jump because most are probably at least 5 inches shorter and weigh much less.

Quote from: DFF6 on May 01, 2012, 01:28:07 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 01, 2012, 01:19:40 PM

Quote from: desco80 on May 01, 2012, 12:38:05 PM

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yea surprised as well. Maybe football uses a step with their vertical testing, while amirs 32 inch is just from the stand still. I would think his would be higher

Our own Iman Shumpert scored the best vertical jump (no step) from the 2011 NBA pre-draft combine camp with 36.5 inches.   I think Jordan was rummored to have scored a 48 inch jump, but I'm not sure that's true. Amir's 32 doesn't seem freakish at all in comparison.

Actually, the NBA pre-draft measurements showed Shumpert with a 42" in Vertical.   

Best they ever recorded was Kenny Gregory back in 2001 witha 45".  Nate Robinson's tied for 2nd witha 43.5.  Vince Carter is 4th with a 43 even, tied with Jamario Moon.   Shumpert's 42" places him 9th - tied with Josh Selby, Patrick Ewing Jr, and....Jordan Farmar??? 

The all time recrord is a disputed 60" by a 5'11 frenchman named Kadour Ziani.  He has an UN-disputed vertical of 56"...

Here's the link to the pre-draft measurements database:  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=12

Thanks CR, but if you look at the information provided in the draftexpress.com database, Shumpert's no-step VJ was, in fact, 36.5 inches. 

Quote from: crgreen on May 01, 2012, 02:30:02 PM

Quote from: DFF6 on May 01, 2012, 01:28:07 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 01, 2012, 01:19:40 PM

Quote from: desco80 on May 01, 2012, 12:38:05 PM

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yea surprised as well. Maybe football uses a step with their vertical testing, while amirs 32 inch is just from the stand still. I would think his would be higher

Our own Iman Shumpert scored the best vertical jump (no step) from the 2011 NBA pre-draft combine camp with 36.5 inches.   I think Jordan was rummored to have scored a 48 inch jump, but I'm not sure that's true. Amir's 32 doesn't seem freakish at all in comparison.

Actually, the NBA pre-draft measurements showed Shumpert with a 42" in Vertical.   

Best they ever recorded was Kenny Gregory back in 2001 witha 45".  Nate Robinson's tied for 2nd witha 43.5.  Vince Carter is 4th with a 43 even, tied with Jamario Moon.   Shumpert's 42" places him 9th - tied with Josh Selby, Patrick Ewing Jr, and....Jordan Farmar??? 

The all time recrord is a disputed 60" by a 5'11 frenchman named Kadour Ziani.  He has an UN-disputed vertical of 56"...

Here's the link to the pre-draft measurements database:  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=12

Thanks CR, but if you look at the information provided in the draftexpress.com database, Shumpert's no-step VJ was, in fact, 36.5 inches.

Wow - he only get's an additional 5.5 inches with the step?   What's wrong with the kid?! 

Quote from: DFF6 on May 01, 2012, 02:56:36 PM

Quote from: crgreen on May 01, 2012, 02:30:02 PM

Quote from: DFF6 on May 01, 2012, 01:28:07 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 01, 2012, 01:19:40 PM

Quote from: desco80 on May 01, 2012, 12:38:05 PM

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yea surprised as well. Maybe football uses a step with their vertical testing, while amirs 32 inch is just from the stand still. I would think his would be higher

Our own Iman Shumpert scored the best vertical jump (no step) from the 2011 NBA pre-draft combine camp with 36.5 inches.   I think Jordan was rummored to have scored a 48 inch jump, but I'm not sure that's true. Amir's 32 doesn't seem freakish at all in comparison.

Actually, the NBA pre-draft measurements showed Shumpert with a 42" in Vertical.   

Best they ever recorded was Kenny Gregory back in 2001 witha 45".  Nate Robinson's tied for 2nd witha 43.5.  Vince Carter is 4th with a 43 even, tied with Jamario Moon.   Shumpert's 42" places him 9th - tied with Josh Selby, Patrick Ewing Jr, and....Jordan Farmar??? 

The all time recrord is a disputed 60" by a 5'11 frenchman named Kadour Ziani.  He has an UN-disputed vertical of 56"...

Here's the link to the pre-draft measurements database:  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=12

Thanks CR, but if you look at the information provided in the draftexpress.com database, Shumpert's no-step VJ was, in fact, 36.5 inches.

Wow - he only get's an additional 5.5 inches with the step?   What's wrong with the kid?! 

Must be the shoes 

Amir is a real good athlete but not the best leaper we've had.  I think Jakarr has higher vertical.  Ryan Williams could really take off as could quite a few of our other past players.  Current team athletically is sick though, with Jakarr, Amir, Pointer, Balamou, Wood, Sanchez all having phenomenal vertical ability.

Amir is a real good athlete but not the best leaper we've had.  I think Jakarr has higher vertical.  Ryan Williams could really take off as could quite a few of our other past players.  Current team athletically is sick though, with Jakarr, Amir, Pointer, Balamou, Wood, Sanchez all having phenomenal vertical ability.

Phil is no slouch either.   And dont forget Hooper..

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yeah, a 32 inch vertical is not very impressive.  I wonder if the trainer meant to say 42?  That seems to be the default elite standard for vertical "claims" like 4.3 in the fourty.  I like the description of his wingspan...that can be even more important than height.  Garrett should be even more dangerous at 215-220 next year. 

For my money, Sampson is the best athlete on the team relative to  position.  Pointer has to be a close second.  We have to have one of if not the most athletic team in in the country.  I'm still marveling at how we went from a team with the worst depth in the country to a team that faces logjams at nearly every position now. 

Quote from: Moose on May 01, 2012, 12:24:15 PM

Quote from: crgreen on May 01, 2012, 12:22:58 PM

Quote from: sju89tr on May 01, 2012, 10:38:36 AM

Quote from: redslope on May 01, 2012, 10:29:01 AM

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

You are correct, some NCAA rule requires a two sport player who is a pro in one of them to have his scholarship paid but still counts against the school's scholarship limit.

Anyone know the specific rule?  Been looking and can't find it in the NCAA guidelines.    But it certainly makes sense.   For instance, Fred Wilpon is a Michigan Alumni - without such a rule, what's to stop the Mets from late round drafting 5-10 basketball prospects and paying their way to Ann Arbor?   Its a fine line, but the kind of elite athelets we're talking about (high D-1 hoops prospects) likely ARE good enuf to be stocking minor league baseball rosters.   Double bonus - BUY players for the old Alma Mater, AND free up scholies for additional players as well....

Yeah - rule makes sense...

Exactly.

Jeremy Bloom was an example I think.  He played football at Colorado but minor league baseball.  The QB from Clemson also played baseball I think.  I think his name was Kyle Parker.  That might help your search

I remember reading that Danny Ainge was probably the most successful at it, he played minor league baseball for 3 years while he was in college, where he ended up winning the Wooden or Naismith.

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Ainge actually played for the Blue Jays while going to BYU and may have retired then finished up at BYU and became one of the best players in the country then a very nice NBA career

Maybe Amir jumps much better from a running start than flat footed like most seem to do. One player we had was the reverse-Ed Searcy-unreal straight up vertical jump but much less from a running start. Remember the claim of Louisville's Darrel griffith having a 44" vertical.

Maybe Amir jumps much better from a running start than flat footed like most seem to do. One player we had was the reverse-Ed Searcy-unreal straight up vertical jump but much less from a running start. Remember the claim of Louisville's Darrel griffith having a 44" vertical.

Wasn't a "claim" by Dr. Dunkenstein  -  it was a fact.

Was it David Thompson on the 74 NC St. team that was a great leaper?  Now don't get depressed CRG.

david russell and willie henry glass

Was it David Thompson on the 74 NC St. team that was a great leaper?  Now don't get depressed CRG.

David Thompson and Spud Webb get my votes for top leapers ever.

Don't know if he's been mentioned but can't forget Calvin Murphy

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Amir and the Reds, not the greatest leapers of all time.

I'm kidding everyone

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Amir and the Reds, not the greatest leapers of all time.

I'm kidding everyone

I think we are all getting a bit punchy, waiting for the resolution of this class. As least I can confirm I am!

Was it David Thompson on the 74 NC St. team that was a great leaper?  Now don't get depressed CRG.

Only kid I ever personally saw with an "official" 50+ vertical was "Jumping" Joey Johnson.  His Brother was Hall of Famer Dennis Johnson, his son is Arizona SG Nick Johnson.   Joey had a verified 52" vertical.   A close second would be a kid named Larry Holliday, a 6'2 SF(!) for Oregon.  As a Soph in 1969, he jumped center for the Ducks.  Saw him outjump Lew Alcindor twice that year and get the tip-off...don't know what his official "vertical" was, but you never saw guys his won size outjump Lew, let alone a guy more than a foot shorter.  Holliday finished 2nd to Alcindor in the Pac 8 in rebouding that year.

Not many guys I've seen can leap higher than James White, former Florida/Cincy player.  Don't know his official vertical but kid can fly.