Amir

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Re: Amir
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2012, 09:11:24 AM »
Right.  Although curious whether Texas augments its philosophy in light of the fact that Feliz had TJ surgery this year, Colby Lewis is out for the year, and Holland spent time on the DL too.  My guess is no, because the Ryan/Maddux philosophy is that pitchers need to throw to develop arm strength, that learning how to pitch with fatigue helps prevent injuries, and that you have to treat each individual pitcher differently, because one guy might expend more in 85 pitches than another does in 130 (agree 100% with the last notion).

I knew that Lewis was out but hadn't realized that Holland has spent time on the DL.   As I stated in my earlier post, it will be interesting to see what happens with all their pitches with this philosophy.

Lets not forget the arm problems suffered by Feliz and Ogando by having them switch from reliever to starter.

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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2012, 11:30:07 AM »
Right.  Although curious whether Texas augments its philosophy in light of the fact that Feliz had TJ surgery this year, Colby Lewis is out for the year, and Holland spent time on the DL too.  My guess is no, because the Ryan/Maddux philosophy is that pitchers need to throw to develop arm strength, that learning how to pitch with fatigue helps prevent injuries, and that you have to treat each individual pitcher differently, because one guy might expend more in 85 pitches than another does in 130 (agree 100% with the last notion).

I knew that Lewis was out but hadn't realized that Holland has spent time on the DL.   As I stated in my earlier post, it will be interesting to see what happens with all their pitches with this philosophy.

Lets not forget the arm problems suffered by Feliz and Ogando by having them switch from reliever to starter.

If a prospect has the potential to start, that is what he should do. Hands down, no questions asked. GM's and managers that want to bring up top tier starting pitchers to help in the bullpen should be immediately shit canned. Bullpen arms are so much less important than starting pitchers, and also loads easier to find, not to mention the performance of a reliever fluctuates more than any position, much like place kickers, from year to year. You can always move a failed started to the pen afterwords, it's much harder to start in the pen and move to a starting role, you have to expand your repertoire, scale back velocity, pitching in the bullpen early usually stunts your growth as a pitcher, destroying endurance and scaling back your pitch selection to maybe 2 pitches instead of 3 or 4. In my opinion you can pluck relievers off the scrap heap and convert failed minor league starters with enough "stuff" into short roles in the bullpen.

If you have an elite pitching prospect, and you can get 175-225 innings a year out of them, why would you prefer to get only 50-70 innings? All of this applies to Garrett, as by all accounts he has very serious major league velocity. Maybe he becomes an elite starting pitcher, but if not, you can always stick that 97mph heat into the bullpen and you can have yourself something, even if it never works out in the rotation.

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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2012, 03:28:54 PM »
btw last Sat Aug 11 Amir had his best start of his young career.

3 innings, no runs, 3 hits, 2 SO, no walks. nice game Amir !
Molloy '71

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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2012, 07:51:47 AM »
“@Amir_Garrett: Pitched really well tonight 3 shutout innings. Thats the way to end the season for me... Back to the hardwood now #stjbb where y'all At?”

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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2012, 02:56:51 PM »
Amir's stats this summer with two leagues:

9G/7GS 0-2, 4.05 ERA, 20 innings, 18 hits, 13 BB, 18 K, .243 BAA

Not bad for my man Amir.

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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2012, 01:19:40 PM »
Nice article;

“@ECoastBias: A closer look at Amir Garrett's progress on the baseball diamond from @LoneStarDugout #stjbb http://t.co/nq8RJWQw

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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2012, 03:10:01 PM »
Nice article;

“@ECoastBias: A closer look at Amir Garrett's progress on the baseball diamond from @LoneStarDugout #stjbb http://t.co/nq8RJWQw
wow. Being that Norvel and Iona's in the news, I have to say that Amir's another Joe Mazzella - wow! Gonna nail down bball and baseball - I'm getting more confident it will happen.

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« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2012, 09:52:41 AM »
Paultzman, a buddy of mine is a college baseball coach, and follows MLB religiously, from the minors to the majors. When I inquired about Amir, I had him read that link you provided, and this is what he had to say:


"6'6 210 LHP throwing 92-94 and he doesnt really work at it...

Time to give up hoops for a bit son.

He is a year or two of year round work from possibly being an upper 90's guy.  Plus the Reds are doing a great job with their minor league system.  The fact he changes arm angles is actually not bad either.  But pitching mechanics is all about repeating your delivery...which if he can figure out all the right release points on multiple angles and keep the velocity and stuff...yikes!! This is an A.Chapman type talent.  Who was also a kid who threw 100 but erratic.   

That kid can write his own ticket...He can always go back to St Johns in 4-5 years if it doesnt work out."
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 09:54:00 AM by PIB »

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« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2012, 06:11:43 PM »
Paultzman, a buddy of mine is a college baseball coach, and follows MLB religiously, from the minors to the majors. When I inquired about Amir, I had him read that link you provided, and this is what he had to say:


"6'6 210 LHP throwing 92-94 and he doesnt really work at it...

Time to give up hoops for a bit son.

He is a year or two of year round work from possibly being an upper 90's guy.  Plus the Reds are doing a great job with their minor league system.  The fact he changes arm angles is actually not bad either.  But pitching mechanics is all about repeating your delivery...which if he can figure out all the right release points on multiple angles and keep the velocity and stuff...yikes!! This is an A.Chapman type talent.  Who was also a kid who threw 100 but erratic.   

That kid can write his own ticket...He can always go back to St Johns in 4-5 years if it doesnt work out."

This is old from just after the draft.  I read John Sickels minor league site often.  He used to write for ESPN.  This was from an evaluation of the Red's system.

Amir Garrett could have the best potential of any pitcher in the system, but there is so much uncertainty about him that I want to see how things look a year from now before ranking him highly.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 06:12:14 PM by gman »

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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2012, 01:04:54 PM »

Phil no longer cut like Adonis and obviously has lost height in off season! Moose, measurements please!

“@STJ_Basketball: Look who's back! Great to see @philgreene31 and @Amir_Garrett. Amir pitched all summer for the #Reds. #stjbb http://t.co/3PkZKXTA

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« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2012, 06:32:35 PM »

Phil no longer cut like Adonis and obviously has lost height in off season! Moose, measurements please!

“@STJ_Basketball: Look who's back! Great to see @philgreene31 and @Amir_Garrett. Amir pitched all summer for the #Reds. #stjbb http://t.co/3PkZKXTA

Yeah, I was trying to measure his bicepts through the hoodie but it's a little tough...   ;) Oh, and Amir is about 6'6" so I'm not sure the picture is saying something different.

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« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2012, 06:36:38 PM »

Phil no longer cut like Adonis and obviously has lost height in off season! Moose, measurements please!

“@STJ_Basketball: Look who's back! Great to see @philgreene31 and @Amir_Garrett. Amir pitched all summer for the #Reds. #stjbb http://t.co/3PkZKXTA

Yeah, I was trying to measure his bicepts through the hoodie but it's a little tough...   ;) Oh, and Amir is about 6'6" so I'm not sure the picture is saying something different.

It was a joke Marcus

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« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2012, 10:15:44 AM »

Phil no longer cut like Adonis and obviously has lost height in off season! Moose, measurements please!

“@STJ_Basketball: Look who's back! Great to see @philgreene31 and @Amir_Garrett. Amir pitched all summer for the #Reds. #stjbb http://t.co/3PkZKXTA

Yeah, I was trying to measure his bicepts through the hoodie but it's a little tough...   ;) Oh, and Amir is about 6'6" so I'm not sure the picture is saying something different.

It was a joke Marcus

I know!  I did put a winkie in there...