Who replaces Dunlap?

Another name, former BYU and Fresno St. coach Steve Cleveland.

I don't know whether we got that much out of the Hicks hiring.  Really, he should be worthy of consideration for Dunlap's job.  If not I have to think that the DOBO should be more of an up and comer type.  I believe it's going to be tough to get through this without a bit of jealous internal backlash if we add an outsider.  Hines and Hicks have to have some ambition and they're both great hoops guys. And who knows what Keady thinks.  Never a dull moment with this program.

Gillen and Dunne. Like those choices

I don't know whether we got that much out of the Hicks hiring.  Really, he should be worthy of consideration for Dunlap's job.  If not I have to think that the DOBO should be more of an up and comer type.  I believe it's going to be tough to get through this without a bit of jealous internal backlash if we add an outsider.  Hines and Hicks have to have some ambition and they're both great hoops guys. And who knows what Keady thinks.  Never a dull moment with this program.

Hicks to replace Mike Dunlap?  You joking?  Two different levels Bobre.

Quote from: prjohnnies on June 18, 2012, 10:56:55 PM

What's Slice doing these days?

getting players for ucla

Lol..  Yeah, second thought Slice might not be first on our list...

I don't know whether we got that much out of the Hicks hiring.  Really, he should be worthy of consideration for Dunlap's job.  If not I have to think that the DOBO should be more of an up and comer type.  I believe it's going to be tough to get through this without a bit of jealous internal backlash if we add an outsider.  Hines and Hicks have to have some ambition and they're both great hoops guys. And who knows what Keady thinks.  Never a dull moment with this program.

If Hicks gets promoted it won't be for Dunlap's job.  It would mean Chiles or Rico got bumped up and Hicks is taking over one of their roles on the staff.  In the end it would mean the same 3 people-Rico, Chiles and Hicks, just in different roles.

But it appears Lavin is probably looking outside the staff for this position.

Garry Williams board at home?
That would be insane

Quote from: bobre45 on June 19, 2012, 10:52:13 AM

I don't know whether we got that much out of the Hicks hiring.  Really, he should be worthy of consideration for Dunlap's job.  If not I have to think that the DOBO should be more of an up and comer type.  I believe it's going to be tough to get through this without a bit of jealous internal backlash if we add an outsider.  Hines and Hicks have to have some ambition and they're both great hoops guys. And who knows what Keady thinks.  Never a dull moment with this program.

If Hicks gets promoted it won't be for Dunlap's job.  It would mean Chiles or Rico got bumped up and Hicks is taking over one of their roles on the staff.  In the end it would mean the same 3 people-Rico, Chiles and Hicks, just in different roles.

But it appears Lavin is probably looking outside the staff for this position.

Lavin HAS to look outside.  Can't just lose a top assistant to an NBA HC gig and just bump everybody up and hire from the bottom. 

Quote from: bobre45 on June 19, 2012, 10:52:13 AM

I don't know whether we got that much out of the Hicks hiring.  Really, he should be worthy of consideration for Dunlap's job.  If not I have to think that the DOBO should be more of an up and comer type.  I believe it's going to be tough to get through this without a bit of jealous internal backlash if we add an outsider.  Hines and Hicks have to have some ambition and they're both great hoops guys. And who knows what Keady thinks.  Never a dull moment with this program.

Hicks to replace Mike Dunlap?  You joking?  Two different levels Bobre.

No joke.  Hicks was a highly respected coach coming in and I have to believe he left HS with more than DOBO in mind.  If he's really so far below Dunlap in stature (most are) it might be time for an overhaul at this point.  Overall the staff is a bit long in the tooth and a young stud former player from a name program would look pretty good on our sidelines right about now.

Mo Hicks is not getting this job...  it one thing to be a great high school coach, especially when your team is loaded with Div I talent every year, but coaching on Div I level is completely different animal. When Mo was at Rice, he could roll the balls out for 3/4 of the games and his talent would win games for him. I am not saying he didn't coach his kids or prepare but its just not the same at the Big East level.

I honestly don't think that even the high level fan understands what assistants, especailly ones with larger roles, have to go through and do during the season in terms of game preparation.

Mo Hicks is not getting this job...  it one thing to be a great high school coach, especially when your team is loaded with Div I talent every year, but coaching on Div I level is completely different animal. When Mo was at Rice, he could roll the balls out for 3/4 of the games and his talent would win games for him. I am not saying he didn't coach his kids or prepare but its just not the same at the Big East level.

I honestly don't think that even the high level fan understands what assistants, especailly ones with larger roles, have to go through and do during the season in terms of game preparation.

+1, Mo was hired for NYC contacts, not tactical ability.

Mo Hicks is not getting this job...  it one thing to be a great high school coach, especially when your team is loaded with Div I talent every year, but coaching on Div I level is completely different animal. When Mo was at Rice, he could roll the balls out for 3/4 of the games and his talent would win games for him. I am not saying he didn't coach his kids or prepare but its just not the same at the Big East level.

I honestly don't think that even the high level fan understands what assistants, especailly ones with larger roles, have to go through and do during the season in terms of game preparation.

I always wondered what the rationale was behind the addition of Hicks.  Obviously getting a better local foothold had to be part of it.  I don't think that's as big a deal as it once was now so I think it's time to put up or shut up on him.  I think the issue is how Moe views himself and Dunlap's departure will crystallize some things on the staff.  Virtually every player comes in hoping to make the big time and assistants usually aren't much different in that respect.

Dont need a name necessarily.
Doubt anyone here knew the name Mike Dunlap two year ago. Be honest.

all we knew about dunlap was that he won two national championships and had nba experience with assistant coaching gigs at major colleges.

i'd like to see his replacement fill those shoes.

Dont need a name necessarily.
Doubt anyone here knew the name Mike Dunlap two year ago. Be honest.

Choz - How do you feel about Mo Hicks?  And what about the need for a little youth on the program?

Dont need a name necessarily.
Doubt anyone here knew the name Mike Dunlap two year ago. Be honest.

 great point.  Just like in recruiting, I have full confidence that Lavin knows what he's doing and where's he's going with this situation.

Quote from: pmg911 on June 19, 2012, 11:10:15 AM

Mo Hicks is not getting this job...  it one thing to be a great high school coach, especially when your team is loaded with Div I talent every year, but coaching on Div I level is completely different animal. When Mo was at Rice, he could roll the balls out for 3/4 of the games and his talent would win games for him. I am not saying he didn't coach his kids or prepare but its just not the same at the Big East level.

I honestly don't think that even the high level fan understands what assistants, especailly ones with larger roles, have to go through and do during the season in terms of game preparation.

+1, Mo was hired for NYC contacts, not tactical ability.

Agreed but he is not being asked to be a Head Coach.  Let's not act like Lavin is a stooge and needs a ready-made HC next to him.  Part of the reason he had Keady and Dunlap was because he was out of coaching for 7 years and needed to have someone who he could lean on in terms of structure (practice, game preparation etc.) as much as X's and O's.  In other words logistics.

A lot of what you guys are saying makes it sound like SJU is trying to hire a Head Coach, SJU has a Head Coach.  High school and prep school coaches get hired as full time assistants all the time.  It is not unusual.  Put it to you another way if Chiles just got a college HC job would anyone think that bumping Hicks up to replace Chiles would be unusual? 

Having said that I agree that he will look outside because of the unique nature of what he expects out of this position and I don't think he thinks anyone on the staff can play that role yet.

Dont need a name necessarily.
Doubt anyone here knew the name Mike Dunlap two year ago. Be honest.

Agree Choz.  The guy we hire will probably be another tactical guru that is unappreciated or unhired by some of the big egos in the business.  Lots of coaches didn't want Dunlap as their assistants because he was smarter that they were.  Lavs is smart enough not to let ego get in the way.  Both Lavin and Dunlap come from the school where you always hire people that are smarter in certain areas or have a different skill set.  Lavs will hire another tactician.  I won't be surprised if I haven't heard of them and sometimes it's better that way.

Quote from: paultzman on June 19, 2012, 11:19:45 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on June 19, 2012, 11:10:15 AM

Mo Hicks is not getting this job...  it one thing to be a great high school coach, especially when your team is loaded with Div I talent every year, but coaching on Div I level is completely different animal. When Mo was at Rice, he could roll the balls out for 3/4 of the games and his talent would win games for him. I am not saying he didn't coach his kids or prepare but its just not the same at the Big East level.

I honestly don't think that even the high level fan understands what assistants, especailly ones with larger roles, have to go through and do during the season in terms of game preparation.

+1, Mo was hired for NYC contacts, not tactical ability.

Agreed but he is not be asked to be a Head Coach.  Let's not act like Lavin is a stooge and needs a ready-made HC next to him.  Part of the reason he had Keady and Dunlap was because he was out of coaching for 7 years and needed to have someone who he could lean on in terms of structure (practice, game preparation etc.) as much as X's and O's.  In other words logistics.

A lot of what you guys are saying makes it sound like SJU is trying to hire a Head Coach, SJU has a Head Coach.  High school and prep school coaches get hired as full time assistants all the time.  It is not unusual.

Having said that I agree that he will look outside because of the unique nature of what he expects out of this position and I don't think he thinks anyone on the staff can play that role yet.

Well said.  Lavin is not a figurehead coach here like many making him out to be.  If guys on our staff are planning on moving up, it will likely be outside of SJU for now, which is fine.  Look at how well Dunlap fared coming into this organization.  Dare is say Lavin certainly helped Dunlap's exposure by not coming back last season and I don't doubt that was calculated a bit as well.  Mike Dunlap still would be off the radar had he not been interim HC for us last season. Lavin supports his staff on moving forward.  It's why great candidates will apply for Dunlap's job.

I just read on ESPN.com that Dave has given out a list of potential replacements for Dunlaps slot.