Out of the 5, who finishes ahead the rest in Big East?

IMo, its a toss up between St JOhns and Rutgers

I went with Rutgers, think their guards make that leap

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 02, 2012, 07:01:48 PM

I went with Rutgers, think their guards make that leap

I went STJ.  Rutgers has no frontcourt IMO.  Their best frontcourt option who I didn't even like, left.

Quote from: Moose on August 02, 2012, 07:02:23 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 02, 2012, 07:01:48 PM

I went with Rutgers, think their guards make that leap

I went STJ.  Rutgers has no frontcourt IMO.  Their best frontcourt option who I didn't even like, left.

Not A big fan of Waly Judge?

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 02, 2012, 07:03:32 PM

Quote from: Moose on August 02, 2012, 07:02:23 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 02, 2012, 07:01:48 PM

I went with Rutgers, think their guards make that leap

I went STJ.  Rutgers has no frontcourt IMO.  Their best frontcourt option who I didn't even like, left.

Not A big fan of Waly Judge?

No.  Neither Jack.

I consistently say how I have low expectations going into the season.... but I'm having a hard time picking anyone other than us to be the best out of this 5.

We were better than Nova last year, won just as many conference games as Rutgers, and only two less than UCONN or the Hall.   And then UCONN lost 80% of their roster, and the Hall graduated Pope and Theodore.    Meanwhile, we doubled our depth and return 4 of 5 starters.   

Even for somewhat of a pessimist, I gotta pick us as well.

I do think Seton Hall could be better than expected though, they're not going to fall to the very bottom of the conference just yet.   Willard can coach.  Plus,  I like Edwin, and they had some other underclassmen who contributed and gained a lot of experience... Cosby, Mobley etc.    They won't be as good, but they're not headed for a 4-14 season either.   At least in my eyes.

I consistently say how I have low expectations going into the season.... but I'm having a hard time picking anyone other than us to be the best out of this 5.

We were better than Nova last year, won just as many conference games as Rutgers, and only two less than UCONN or the Hall.   And then UCONN lost 80% of their roster, and the Hall graduated Pope and Theodore.    Meanwhile, we doubled our depth and return 4 of 5 starters.   

Even for somewhat of a pessimist, I gotta pick us as well.

I do think Seton Hall could be better than expected though, they're not going to fall to the very bottom of the conference just yet.   Willard can coach.  Plus,  I like Edwin, and they had some other underclassmen who contributed and gained a lot of experience... Cosby, Mobley etc.    They won't be as good, but they're not headed for a 4-14 season either.   At least in my eyes.

"Agree with Moose.  RU has frontcourt issues.  No proven player's there.  SJU has a plethora of both frontcourt and backcourt options.  I do like RU's young backcourt players, but if they don't have a frontcourt, they will resort to chucking from the outside.  Biruta was a bigger loss than many realize.  He was their only legit frontcourt player and left."

SJU has little to no proven players in the frontcourt either (far from a plethora). 

Guardplay is the difference between all teams in the bottom half of the BE and Pukon has a top 5 backcourt in the BE.  They will finsih ahead of everyone listed with SJU close second. 

Quote from: MCNPA on August 02, 2012, 09:09:01 PM

"Agree with Moose.  RU has frontcourt issues.  No proven player's there.  SJU has a plethora of both frontcourt and backcourt options.  I do like RU's young backcourt players, but if they don't have a frontcourt, they will resort to chucking from the outside.  Biruta was a bigger loss than many realize.  He was their only legit frontcourt player and left."

SJU has little to no proven players in the frontcourt either (far from a plethora). 

Guardplay is the difference between all teams in the bottom half of the BE and Pukon has a top 5 backcourt in the BE.  They will finsih ahead of everyone listed with SJU close second.

I don't agree.  Uconn's frontcourt is proven...that they have nobody.  Enosch Wolf?  After that there's the strong bean Phil Nolan at 6'8" and about 190.  Uconn had the same backcourt last season and they are solid, but had tons of frontcourt talent last year and still weren't real good.  SJU has Garrett, Pointer and Gift returning who are experienced frontcourt players.. We also add a legit too 70center in Obekpa, a top 5 JC PF in Sanchez and Top 40 PF in Jakarr.  I think we're waaaay ahead in the frontcourt.  In the backcourt, D'Lo is as good or better than anybody Uconn has.  Greene is solid and Branch could be a big one for us.  Add Balamou, Bourgault etc.  I think we're firmly ahead of Uconn.  Uconn's guards won't be able to utilize their assist game without forwards.

A lot of work to do, but this STJ squad could be special when the new guys get the hang of it.  So much talent...I think this team will be Lavin's best at STJ.

Quote from: zimzimma16 on August 03, 2012, 01:40:14 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on August 02, 2012, 09:09:01 PM

"Agree with Moose.  RU has frontcourt issues.  No proven player's there.  SJU has a plethora of both frontcourt and backcourt options.  I do like RU's young backcourt players, but if they don't have a frontcourt, they will resort to chucking from the outside.  Biruta was a bigger loss than many realize.  He was their only legit frontcourt player and left."

SJU has little to no proven players in the frontcourt either (far from a plethora). 

Guardplay is the difference between all teams in the bottom half of the BE and Pukon has a top 5 backcourt in the BE.  They will finsih ahead of everyone listed with SJU close second.

I don't agree.  Uconn's frontcourt is proven...that they have nobody.  Enosch Wolf?  After that there's the strong bean Phil Nolan at 6'8" and about 190.  Uconn had the same backcourt last season and they are solid, but had tons of frontcourt talent last year and still weren't real good.  SJU has Garrett, Pointer and Gift returning who are experienced frontcourt players.. We also add a legit too 70center in Obekpa, a top 5 JC PF in Sanchez and Top 40 PF in Jakarr.  I think we're waaaay ahead in the frontcourt.  In the backcourt, D'Lo is as good or better than anybody Uconn has.  Greene is solid and Branch could be a big one for us.  Add Balamou, Bourgault etc.  I think we're firmly ahead of Uconn.  Uconn's guards won't be able to utilize their assist game without forwards.

You missed the point, you say RU "has frontcourt issues" and my point was so does SJU.  line up the match ups and you will see that SJU is not that far off from RU. 

  I never brought up the huskey frontcourt.  I pointed out that their backcourt was\still is better and that the backcourt is normally the tipping point when you are comparing teams 9-16 in the BE.