Steve Lavin is a light version of Calipari?

Quote from: Foad on September 16, 2012, 06:47:12 AM

Quote from: crgreen on September 16, 2012, 03:04:42 AM

DJ Kennedy, Dwight Hardy, Brownlee, Burrell and Horne

These are Norm Robert's players, not TGAPL's. I know he hasn't been very successful on the court at SJ yet but there's no call to bolster his resume by crediting him with Norm's keen eye for talent.

If you go to the grocery store, buy the groceries, and then I cook you a delicious gourmet meal, you deserve some of the credit.

My grandma can buy the groceries too, but not everybody can cook.  Norm had no shot at taking that group to the top half of the conference.  They were a solid group, but it was the coaches that helped them progress rapidly. 

Quote from: Poison on September 17, 2012, 09:53:12 AM

Quote from: Foad on September 16, 2012, 06:47:12 AM

Quote from: crgreen on September 16, 2012, 03:04:42 AM

DJ Kennedy, Dwight Hardy, Brownlee, Burrell and Horne

These are Norm Robert's players, not TGAPL's. I know he hasn't been very successful on the court at SJ yet but there's no
call to bolster his resume by crediting him with Norm's keen eye for talent.

If you go to the grocery store, buy the groceries, and then I cook you a delicious gourmet meal, you deserve some of the credit.

My grandma can buy the groceries too, but not everybody can cook.  Norm had no shot at taking that group to the top half of the conference.  They were a solid group, but it was the coaches that helped them progress rapidly. 

Had Norm Roberts started the 5 guys that Lavin did, maybe it would have bought him a couple of wins. At the end of the day, Norm was the worst game coach we've ever had. No one deserved to get fired more than him. At some point in your life, if you're Norm, you have to question if being a coach is something you should be doing.

Quote from: MCNPA on September 17, 2012, 10:06:37 AM

Quote from: Poison on September 17, 2012, 09:53:12 AM

Quote from: Foad on September 16, 2012, 06:47:12 AM

Quote from: crgreen on September 16, 2012, 03:04:42 AM

DJ Kennedy, Dwight Hardy, Brownlee, Burrell and Horne

These are Norm Robert's players, not TGAPL's. I know he hasn't been very successful on the court at SJ yet but there's no
call to bolster his resume by crediting him with Norm's keen eye for talent.

If you go to the grocery store, buy the groceries, and then I cook you a delicious gourmet meal, you deserve some of the credit.

My grandma can buy the groceries too, but not everybody can cook.  Norm had no shot at taking that group to the top half of the conference.  They were a solid group, but it was the coaches that helped them progress rapidly. 

Had Norm Roberts started the 5 guys that Lavin did, maybe it would have bought him a couple of wins. At the end of the day, Norm was the worst game coach we've ever had. No one deserved to get fired more than him. At some point in your life, if you're Norm, you have to question if being a coach is something you should be doing.

Norm played our best player (Hardy) 12 minutes per game LESS than Lavin did.  Norm basically used his best player in a platoon role. 

Quote from: Poison on September 17, 2012, 10:14:01 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on September 17, 2012, 10:06:37 AM

Quote from: Poison on September 17, 2012, 09:53:12 AM

Quote from: Foad on September 16, 2012, 06:47:12 AM

Quote from: crgreen on September 16, 2012, 03:04:42 AM

DJ Kennedy, Dwight Hardy, Brownlee, Burrell and Horne

These are Norm Robert's players, not TGAPL's. I know he hasn't been very successful on the court at SJ yet but there's no
call to bolster his resume by crediting him with Norm's keen eye for talent.

If you go to the grocery store, buy the groceries, and then I cook you a delicious gourmet meal, you deserve some of the credit.

My grandma can buy the groceries too, but not everybody can cook.  Norm had no shot at taking that group to the top half of the conference.  They were a solid group, but it was the coaches that helped them progress rapidly. 

Had Norm Roberts started the 5 guys that Lavin did, maybe it would have bought him a couple of wins. At the end of the day, Norm was the worst game coach we've ever had. No one deserved to get fired more than him. At some point in your life, if you're Norm, you have to question if being a coach is something you should be doing.

Norm played our best player (Hardy) 12 minutes per game LESS than Lavin did.  Norm basically used his best player in a platoon role. 

The Cornell loss stands out to me as a classic example of how awful Norm was. Hardy is lighting it up and Norm benches him.

I love Lavin and would never trade him for Cal, but I will say this: Cal would have found some way to get Garrett, Sampson, and Pelle eligible.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have been hit with sanctions four years later, but they would have gotten past the clearinghouse.

I would not doubt it.  With Cal's unethical (but somehow legal in the 2A's eyes) scheme with Laurinberg Prep all those years, he would have gone out of his way for some unethical, legal way to get all of them eligible.  Of course, Norvel would have had a 24 hour a day attendant to make sure he was pointed in the right direction.

Lavin is an easy comparison to Calipari. Calipari only has the national championship over Lavin but has the allure of Kentucky to help him to his goal. I truly believe that Lavin could achieve what Cal did at Kentucky. 


Yeah poor Lavin had to slum it at UCLA???

Many UCLA fans claimed that Lavin was not a good recruiter claiming the name value of UCLA was responsible for his successes. And when several high profile recruits signed with Stanford it was prove that Lavin wasn't much of a recruiter.

In my opinion his first two classes a SJU have establish him as one the best in college basketball. Note without a McDonald AA in the bunch. Man know his business!

Many UCLA fans claimed that Lavin was not a good recruiter claiming the name value of UCLA was responsible for his successes. And when several high profile recruits signed with Stanford it was prove that Lavin wasn't much of a recruiter.

In my opinion his first two classes a SJU have establish him as one the best in college basketball. Note without a McDonald AA in the bunch. Man know his business!

Who went to Stamford?

Quote from: 96 Schermerhorn Street on September 17, 2012, 01:36:38 PM

Many UCLA fans claimed that Lavin was not a good recruiter claiming the name value of UCLA was responsible for his successes. And when several high profile recruits signed with Stanford it was prove that Lavin wasn't much of a recruiter.

In my opinion his first two classes a SJU have establish him as one the best in college basketball. Note without a McDonald AA in the bunch. Man know his business!

Who went to Stamford?

The Collins Twins.  Casey Jacobson, Curtis Borchardt, and Josh Childress.   Jacobson and Childress were considered the two biggest misses.   However, Matt Barnes and Jason Kapono were signed rather than Jacobson, and Lavin preferred Dijon Thompson over Childress.  Dijon fractured his knee at the start of his 2nd NBA season, never came all the way back.   His best year at UCLA was 18.4 pts, 7.9 rebs, 2.3 assists his senior year.  Childress best at Stanford was 15.7, 7.5, 2.7 his last season there.  Barnes just finished his 10th year in the NBA, and Kapono his 9th, after finishing his UCLA career as the 3rd all time leading scorer.   Jacobson's been out of the league since 2008.

The Collins twins were problematic - THEY were the recruits at the infamous recruiting dinner that eventually got Jim Harrick fired.  Continuing to go after them would have been a huge NCAA issue.      Borchardt was a non starter in terms of recruitment - he was a high school senior when 6'11 Gadzuric and 6'11 future lotto Jerome Moiso were freshmen, and center Travis Reed was a soph (Reed transferred after that season, and was the WAC All Conference center for Long Beach State for 2 years, before a GREAT Euro career).

This season will tell a lot.   These are all Lavin recruits.  There's no Dunlap who can lay claim to being the brains of the program.  And, coach is healthy and will presumably be on the bench for a full season. 

Lavin is nothing like Calipari. Calipari is a snake. Everywhere he goes he cheats like that's his job.

Lavin is nothing like Calipari. Calipari is a snake. Everywhere he goes he cheats like that's his job.

The ALL cheat - some just better than others...

Lavin is nothing like Calipari. Calipari is a snake. Everywhere he goes he cheats like that's his job.

The ALL cheat - some just better than others...

I'm not sure Norm ever cheated . . . but he should have.

Quote from: pmg911 on September 17, 2012, 02:26:05 PM

Lavin is nothing like Calipari. Calipari is a snake. Everywhere he goes he cheats like that's his job.

The ALL cheat - some just better than others...

I'm not sure Norm ever cheated . . . but he should have.

  Norm cheated the fans by making us watch the most unbearable brand of basketball imaginable.

Lavin is nothing like Calipari. Calipari is a snake. Everywhere he goes he cheats like that's his job.

The ALL cheat - some just better than others...

100% agree with PMG on this.   It's like steroids in baseball in the 90s... if everyone else is doing it, no one's getting caught, and the difference between being good and being elite is millions of dollars... then you need to expect that nearly everyone is cheating.    The reward is so great, and the risk so little because no one gets caught.