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Quote from: STJFAN on November 28, 2012, 12:05:45 PM

I wouldn't want any part of an all catholic league or basketball only league. This is Big Time college athletics and that type of thinking is what got us Norm. We all know how that turned out. I believe if we want to save our basketball program and keep it attractive to recruits and coaches, we need to try our best to join ACC in basketball only, imo.

I'd rather not take 4 losses a year more often than not from UNC and/or Duke.  Xavier has done pretty damn well for itself in a non power conference.  So has Gonzaga.  The ACC has never been able to sustain a 3rd/4th team because of the presence of Duke and UNC.  Throw in Cuse now too and Lville and Pitt and its probably worse for someone else to break thru.

Totally agree!

What will keep Lavin here is if we can pay him.   If a new basketball-only conference nets us a smaller tv payout, then we won't be able to afford him and his staff - and that's when he'll leave. 
Don't fool yourself into thinking this is about prestige of conference.   

We could be in  a conference with Fordham, Manhattan, and LIU and if we paid a coach the same or more than he'd get from a major program then said coach would be inclined to stay.   


The $64,000 question is whether the "new" Big East, or a yet to be devised basketball-only conference, will earn us the same amount of tv revenue.   

Gotta focus on Top DMA's. If you get schools with healthy alum #'s in those top DMA's you can still get a sizable chunk of money.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/TVB_Market_Profiles_Nielsen_Household_DMA_Ranks2.pdf

Quote from: desco80 on November 28, 2012, 12:05:20 PM

What will keep Lavin here is if we can pay him.   If a new basketball-only conference nets us a smaller tv payout, then we won't be able to afford him and his staff - and that's when he'll leave. 
Don't fool yourself into thinking this is about prestige of conference.   

We could be in  a conference with Fordham, Manhattan, and LIU and if we paid a coach the same or more than he'd get from a major program then said coach would be inclined to stay.   


The $64,000 question is whether the "new" Big East, or a yet to be devised basketball-only conference, will earn us the same amount of tv revenue.   

Gotta focus on Top DMA's. If you get schools with healthy alum #'s in those top DMA's you can still get a sizable chunk of money.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/TVB_Market_Profiles_Nielsen_Household_DMA_Ranks2.pdf

Agree
That's what would make SJU, Georgetown, Villanova the backbone behind any basketball only conference.   They bring the big east coast markets.
Still, I honestly don't know what kind of tv contract that would generate vs what we're getting now.   I'd like to think it would be close, but who knows. 

I'll tell you this though; if  an ACC/Pac12 team can offer coach $2 million a year and we can only pay him $1 mil ... that's when he's going to leave.   And who could blame him at that point.
But I don't think he'd go to USC or Wake Forest or Illinois (just to name a few) just for the sake of prestige and being in a so called power conference.   

Quality of life and money mean a lot more than prestige.  Right now, it appears he loves living in NYC, and we're paying him a very competitive salary.   

I wouldn't want any part of an all catholic league or basketball only league. This is Big Time college athletics and that type of thinking is what got us Norm. We all know how that turned out. I believe if we want to save our basketball program and keep it attractive to recruits and coaches, we need to try our best to join ACC in basketball only, imo.

True.

Lets hope that the powers that be (ESPN) realizes the complete travesty of allowing the tradition rich, geo-market important G-town and St johns & MSG to descend into mid-majordom.  I just dont think that in the end, those with any sense want to see a college sports world where the largest media market on earth has NO major college sports presence.

St johns, MSG & Georgetown I just dont think will be allowed to languish in mid-major obscurity. I realize football drives this whole thing, but these programs represent markets that are just too important and have too much tradition to allow their dissapearance from the national stage

Quote from: STJFAN on November 28, 2012, 12:05:45 PM

I wouldn't want any part of an all catholic league or basketball only league. This is Big Time college athletics and that type of thinking is what got us Norm. We all know how that turned out. I believe if we want to save our basketball program and keep it attractive to recruits and coaches, we need to try our best to join ACC in basketball only, imo.

True.

Lets hope that the powers that be (ESPN) realizes the complete travesty of allowing the tradition rich, geo-market important G-town and St johns & MSG to descend into mid-majordom.  I just dont think that in the end, those with any sense want to see a college sports world where the largest media market on earth has NO major college sports presence.

St johns, MSG & Georgetown I just dont think will be allowed to languish in mid-major obscurity. I realize football drives this whole thing, but these programs represent markets that are just too important and have too much tradition to allow their dissapearance from the national stage

Who exactly is going to save the day?   
It's market forces at work here.   If the conferences could make money off of us or Georgetown we would have been invited a long time ago.   

Quote from: Moose on November 28, 2012, 12:04:19 PM

Has Xavier struggled recruiting?

Obviously Xavier has fared quite well in that regard and now plays in a conference that is on upswing. Hope we can say the same. Not being a "doomer", but,net of joining/forming a solid basketball league, being in NY, playing in Garden can go so far. Just my opinion!

Also, Lavin didn't sign on to coach at Xavier.  He came to SJU because he saw an opportunity to revive a once-strong bball program in the largest media market and in the best basketball conference in the country.  My point is, the changing landscape might cause Lavin to reconsider his long term plans. Could he decide to stay, absolutely.  But, it wouldn't be shocking to me if he leaves.

Quote from: paultzman on November 28, 2012, 12:10:17 PM

Quote from: Moose on November 28, 2012, 12:04:19 PM

Has Xavier struggled recruiting?

Obviously Xavier has fared quite well in that regard and now plays in a conference that is on upswing. Hope we can say the same. Not being a "doomer", but,net of joining/forming a solid basketball league, being in NY, playing in Garden can go so far. Just my opinion!

Also, Lavin didn't sign on to coach at Xavier.  He came to SJU because he saw an opportunity to revive a once-strong bball program in the largest media market and in the best basketball conference in the country.  My point is, the changing landscape might cause Lavin to reconsider his long term plans. Could he decide to stay, absolutely.  But, it wouldn't be shocking to me if he leaves.

I wouldnt be shocked if he left.  I would be shocked if he left for anything outside of 10 college basketball jobs that like I said won't be available for awhile.

Quote from: paultzman on November 28, 2012, 12:10:17 PM

Quote from: Moose on November 28, 2012, 12:04:19 PM

Has Xavier struggled recruiting?

Obviously Xavier has fared quite well in that regard and now plays in a conference that is on upswing. Hope we can say the same. Not being a "doomer", but,net of joining/forming a solid basketball league, being in NY, playing in Garden can go so far. Just my opinion!

Also, Lavin didn't sign on to coach at Xavier.  He came to SJU because he saw an opportunity to revive a once-strong bball program in the largest media market and in the best basketball conference in the country.  My point is, the changing landscape might cause Lavin to reconsider his long term plans. Could he decide to stay, absolutely.  But, it wouldn't be shocking to me if he leaves.

fair enough.

Merged around the big east conference realignment posts with this thread

Quote from: desco80 on November 28, 2012, 10:56:41 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on November 28, 2012, 08:27:12 AM

wake aresco when it's over.  the big east has to fire this jerk and move on.  other conference commissioners are picking the corn out of the shit the big east has become...while aresco is napping.

Problem is Aresco works for ALL the Big East presidents, not just SJU and Georgetown.   If he proposed a basketball only league he'd be spitting in the face of USF, Cinncinnatti, etc and they're his bosses too.
His job description is to keep the Big East as a meaningful football and basketball conference.   Not just one or the other.

And that gets back to the inherent problem with the Big East;  the Basketball schools and Football schools have different priorities. 

Exactly

i never said aresco should have looked out for basketball only interests.  i said he should have been creative.  he failed.  the conference died under his watch.  he's the norm roberts of conference commissioners.

Quote from: newsman13 on November 28, 2012, 08:27:12 AM

wake aresco when it's over.  the big east has to fire this jerk and move on.  other conference commissioners are picking the corn out of the shit the big east has become...while aresco is napping.

So after calling for the firing of Marinatto you now call for the firing of his replacement.

Brilliant!!!

who/what's brilliant...marinetto's replacement or your post?  as i told you when you were in norm roberts' pants back in the day...enjoy the mediocrity.

Creative like how?

Wisdom:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-east-needs-to-return-to-basketball-roots-rather-than-chase-football-crumbs/2012/11/28/9de56016-3975-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

Creative like how?

i'd have to find an old post that suggested a mega basketball conference that would have contained enough outstanding football teams that would have made us a top four conference.  divisions and a playoff at the end pre-ncaa tournament.  sadly, that ship has sailed. 

now i'd suggest a 32 team national conference with divisions with home and homes in the respective divisions to maintain rivalries.  i'd also suggest an eight team holiday festival with locals only who aren't in the mega conference to promote THOSE rivalries.  get subway to promote it and call it the real "subway series".  before, st john's didn't want an equal footing with locals because we're in the big east.  well, we're at an equal footing now.

Wisdom:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-east-needs-to-return-to-basketball-roots-rather-than-chase-football-crumbs/2012/11/28/9de56016-3975-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

Absolutely. 

And it doesn't need to be this monstrous coast-to-coast league people are talking about with Gonzaga and St Marys.

Keep the basketball only schools and then add who you can from:

Xavier
Butler
St Joes
Dayton
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
even a Murray State.

I would love to keep Temple and Memphis involved, but unless they can keep their football in CUSA, that probably won't happen.

Regardless, add several of the above schools to St Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Depaul, Seton Hall  and we're good to go. 
12 or 14 teams, most on the east coast, and at the very furthest in the central time zone.   All who put their basketball programs ahead of all us. 
That's the best outcome for SJU in my opinion.   And I pray it comes to fruition. 

Quote from: Choz4Life on November 28, 2012, 01:01:55 PM

Wisdom:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-east-needs-to-return-to-basketball-roots-rather-than-chase-football-crumbs/2012/11/28/9de56016-3975-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

Absolutely. 

And it doesn't need to be this monstrous coast-to-coast league people are talking about with Gonzaga and St Marys.

Keep the basketball only schools and then add who you can from:

Xavier
Butler
St Joes
Dayton
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
even a Murray State.

I would love to keep Temple and Memphis involved, but unless they can keep their football in CUSA, that probably won't happen.

Regardless, add several of the above schools to St Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Depaul, Seton Hall  and we're good to go. 
12 or 14 teams, most on the east coast, and at the very furthest in the central time zone.   All who put their basketball programs ahead of all us. 
That's the best outcome for SJU in my opinion.   And I pray it comes to fruition. 

Last line say it all:

"That’s the route to go. Otherwise, the basketball schools can just wait until Swofford comes back to pluck away Connecticut, and Aresco can proudly announce the addition of Hawaii to a conference somehow still known as the Big East."

Quote from: Choz4Life on November 28, 2012, 01:01:55 PM

Wisdom:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-east-needs-to-return-to-basketball-roots-rather-than-chase-football-crumbs/2012/11/28/9de56016-3975-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

Absolutely. 

And it doesn't need to be this monstrous coast-to-coast league people are talking about with Gonzaga and St Marys.

Keep the basketball only schools and then add who you can from:

Xavier
Butler
St Joes
Dayton
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
even a Murray State.

I would love to keep Temple and Memphis involved, but unless they can keep their football in CUSA, that probably won't happen.

Regardless, add several of the above schools to St Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Depaul, Seton Hall  and we're good to go. 
12 or 14 teams, most on the east coast, and at the very furthest in the central time zone.   All who put their basketball programs ahead of all us. 


 
That's the best outcome for SJU in my opinion.   And I pray it comes to fruition.

The only reason I posted a monster conference is that the Big East or whatever we would be called would need a marketing tag as a mega basketball conf coast to coast and I am not sure is a predominately eastern seaboard basketball conference would do that.

Quote from: desco80 on November 28, 2012, 01:15:29 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on November 28, 2012, 01:01:55 PM

Wisdom:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-east-needs-to-return-to-basketball-roots-rather-than-chase-football-crumbs/2012/11/28/9de56016-3975-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

Absolutely. 

And it doesn't need to be this monstrous coast-to-coast league people are talking about with Gonzaga and St Marys.

Keep the basketball only schools and then add who you can from:

Xavier
Butler
St Joes
Dayton
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
even a Murray State.

I would love to keep Temple and Memphis involved, but unless they can keep their football in CUSA, that probably won't happen.

Regardless, add several of the above schools to St Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Depaul, Seton Hall  and we're good to go. 
12 or 14 teams, most on the east coast, and at the very furthest in the central time zone.   All who put their basketball programs ahead of all us. 


 
That's the best outcome for SJU in my opinion.   And I pray it comes to fruition.

The only reason I posted a monster conference is that the Big East or whatever we would be called would need a marketing tag as a mega basketball conf coast to coast and I am not sure is a predominately eastern seaboard basketball conference would do that.

Yea, I can see some value in that.   But to me, the less travel the better.   If teams don't have to fly to half their conference games that means they take home more of the tv revenue.
32 teams is a bit ridiculous I think, but a mega conference that included Gonzaga and west coast teams is still preferable to staying with the new football schools in the Big East.  That I agree on.

32 teams isn't ridiculous if you're playing in your division only in all sports...with playoffs at the end. 

either you make a big splash or resign yourself to mid major.  an all catholic conference sounds good today...but ten years from now, news outlets will be doing feature stories about the lone team in that conference that made the sweet 16.  forget the spin...mid major is mid major.

My choice fwiw;

“@dcsportsbog: Feinstein wants conf of Gtown, St. John's, Nova, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette, DePaul, Xavier, Dayton, St. Joe's http://t.co/0o0uWyrM”