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Quote from: STJ11Redmen on July 22, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

He's just spewing the same crap all the ESPN guys are.

And he's dumb enough to explicitly mention the ESPN/Fox connection.  The other guys are sly enough to avoid it though we all know it exists.

Maybe it's just my perspective...But I don't watch games because they are on ESPN...I watch them because they are compelling games regardless of the network...It just so happens that ESPN, with little competition, has had the most compelling games...

Quote from: Moose on July 22, 2013, 01:58:58 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on July 22, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

He's just spewing the same crap all the ESPN guys are.

And he's dumb enough to explicitly mention the ESPN/Fox connection.  The other guys are sly enough to avoid it though we all know it exists.

Maybe it's just my perspective...But I don't watch games because they are on ESPN...I watch them because they are compelling games regardless of the network...It just so happens that ESPN, with little competition, has had the most compelling games...

Preaching to the choir here.
ESPN finally has someone who is fighting with them in the sandbox.
I don't follow the political scene much but at one time wasn't CNN the end all be all.  Now there is FoxNews, MSNBC and I'm sure another maybe I'm leaving out.  ESPN has a history and Fox can learn the good and the bad and replicate what it needs to in order to rival ESPN.

Quote from: Moose on July 22, 2013, 01:58:58 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on July 22, 2013, 01:32:28 PM

He's just spewing the same crap all the ESPN guys are.

And he's dumb enough to explicitly mention the ESPN/Fox connection.  The other guys are sly enough to avoid it though we all know it exists.

Maybe it's just my perspective...But I don't watch games because they are on ESPN...I watch them because they are compelling games regardless of the network...It just so happens that ESPN, with little competition, has had the most compelling games...

If there's a compelling game on then, sure, that's the case.  If there isn't ESPN is like White Noise for millions of men.  It's always running in the background.  So yes, if the NBE puts a compelling product on the floor then some folks will change channels, but they're starting at ESPN.

Quote from: newsman13 on July 22, 2013, 10:11:03 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on July 22, 2013, 03:18:41 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on July 22, 2013, 02:16:05 PM

Quote from: paultzman on July 22, 2013, 01:24:06 PM

From Fran SI interview;

SI.com: One story that everyone is interested in is realignment. You were part of the last era at St. John’s where they were really nationally relevant. How much of a help do you think it will be for programs like St. John’s, DePaul, Providence in getting out of the mega-Big East under the impact of the football schools?

FF: I think there’s going to be an aspect of the realignment that’s going to help them in their Big East, but honestly, and I say this as a partisan, the fact that the Big East will not be on ESPN is going to be a detriment to them, at least in the early going as FOX gets their network up and running, because I can’t imagine they’re going to get the kind of exposure they deserve based on the history and tradition of those programs. So that will be interesting to see how that plays out.

You’ve seen it to a lesser degree with the Mountain West and how little exposure really good teams have gotten the last five to 10 years, so I’ll be anxious to see, despite with my buddy Bill Raftery being over there, how that all shakes not. Not from a network competition standpoint, but just in terms of exposure of that conference.

It’s never going to be the same as long as you don’t have the rivalries of the Notre Dames and the Syracuses and the Pittsburghs. That’s what made that league so spectacular over 30 years, so I’m anxious to see how the Big East, in particular, with all basketball-playing schools, whether it can thrive or not given it will be one of the few conferences that’s basketball only.

“@tsnmike: My friend @AndyGlockner interviews my friend @FranFraschilla. How can that not be worth your time? http://college-basketball.si.com/2013/07/22/fran-fraschilla/ via @SI_NCAABB”

he nails the problem...and the greek chorus comes in to trash him.

What problem?  Fox sports is launching an entirely different scale of network and he compares our league to the Mountain West?  C'mon Newsie.  It's easy to see that this is just a jab at the league and Fox.  No rivalries like Notre Dame?  Who's rival has Notre Dame been?  I don't think we'll miss Pitt much either.  I think Syracuse and Uconn are big losses but we added some good bball schools.  We still have rivals like Nova, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence etc.  New ones will be built.

What you don't seem to grasp Newsie, is that this is the best case scenario by far for all the bball-only schools.  This is as happy an ending and anyof us could have hoped for.  The basketball will be very good, the money is coming in and we are on a real network with great network deal as well as MSG. 

Franny is just spitting out the company line basically saying we'll be obsolete if not playing on the network that he is a mouthpiece for. 

first, marcus, fran isn't saying we'll be obsolete.
he says there will be an aspect that will help us.  that aspect is a weaker league.  you have to agree we really hadn't been competitive in the big east, with the exception of lavin's year one, since jarvis was our coach.  a much weaker big east will give us a temporary boost.  after that, players who are acc, big ten, sec, etc quality will opt for those big time conferences over us.  we'll compete with the mountain west and the aac and the atlantic ten for the leftovers.  we'll have no shot at being a perennial top ten program.  we'll be a perennial top twenty five, probably as long as we have lavin.

on some level, not being on espn will hurt.  who knows where we can find fox?  we'll look, but most viewers won't.  that's fran's point.  i'm glad we went to fox because of the backstabbing paper bags at espn and because fox supposedly broke the bank to get the league.  however, exposure is important.  having little exposure is a league killer.  you know that.

rivalries are important.  that's one reason the league should have at least sixteen teams.  we shouldn't have to crap in our pants when a coach leaves one of our schools for a better job.  the already weak league got softer with the stevens departure.  this shouldn't happen.

in other words, a minute shouldn't go by without the league heavily promoting itself...and looking for serious programs to join.  no matter what the greek chorus says, this year's version of the big east isn't as good as it was in the recent past.  it could be, but it's not.
this wasn't a case of fran shilling for espn.  someone asked him a serious question and he gave a serious answer.

 

Arguably your most level headed response on this sore subject of yours.

No question it will be easier to stand out in a 10-12 team league as opposed to 16.  However as I mentioned to you on the other board is a recent post to say kids will only go to those other conferences is complete BS.  Look at all the Top 100, 50, even 25 kids listing schools in the new Big East.  These kids are basketball players.  We are basketball schools.  There are many schools in the other 'big' conferences that suck at basketball and regardless of what conference they are in it won't help their cause.  Lastly as for your perennial Top 10 vs. Top 25 statement, someone will have to look but most teams I'm sure fall into the latter as Top 10 is too unpredictable this day in age.  It's too dynamic.

Fox is Fox.  This isn't Versus when they launched post NHL lockout in 30M homes.  They are taking channels with distribution upwards of 80-90M and rebranding them.  And will promote the hell out of it via Fox and all the regional networks they have a piece of.

So wait, now you want 16 teams?  I mean I always knew you wanted more teams.  I think you even suggested like 30 in a previous post.  10-12 makes it manageable.  Why invite everyone and their mother?  Please share a list of 4-6 'serious' programs you'd want to see join and please don't bother suggesting a school that plays D1 Football.

*By the way for someone born in the last 30 years what the hell is a greek chorus?

a greek chorus is way before my time.  in ancient greek plays, there would be the action.  then there would be a group of people in the background repeating their own lines in unison.

i would rather have more than sixteen teams.  a new conference if it has aspirations to be as good as the others needs to be outside the box.  recent new big east history tells me it ain't happening.  that's why i won't dwell on it anymore.

Keep in mind that channel placement is almost as important as what they put on.   
If you're at an easily accessible location on the 'dial'; that's huge.    I have Timewarner, and I almost never happen to land on NBCSsports, because they're in the middle of nowhere on my channel lineup, ESPN ESPN2 and MSG are all lumped together right after the big networks.   That makes a big difference.

It'll be interesting to see if FS1 keeps Speed's location, uses another fox subsidiary's spot (like FX's), or pays for a better spot on the dial.

Good!

“@wjpaquette: Happy to report that I am "back" with the Big East in a communications role. Excited to be working with a group of great schools.”

“@eamonnbrennan: The next Wichita State: March Sleepers http://es.pn/168Rj7C”

7. Butler -- Not many coaches in the country will be as heavily scrutinized this season as Brandon Miller, who was hired in July after Brad Stevens left for the Boston Celtics. Miller left coaching altogether a few seasons ago when he resigned after six years as an assistant at Ohio State. He got back in the game last year as a special assistant to Illinois coach John Groce before Stevens brought him back to Butler as an assistant a few months before his departure. Miller inherits a team that lost its top two scorers in Rotnei Clarke and Andrew Smith. But standouts Khyle Marshall and Roosevelt Jones (the hero of last season’s dramatic win over Gonzaga) return along with Kellen Dunham, one of the country’s top shooters. The biggest issue will be at point guard, where there is no clear front-runner for the starting spot. Jackson Aldridge has yet to establish himself after two seasons, and Devontae Morgan hardly saw the court last season as a freshman. Walk-on Alex Barlow is also a candidate. The Bulldogs certainly don’t have the look of a Final Four team, but if Miller does half as good of a job as Stevens, it’d be foolish to count the Bulldogs out.

a greek chorus is way before my time.  in ancient greek plays, there would be the action.  then there would be a group of people in the background repeating their own lines in unison. ...

Re a Greek chorus: The actors' lines were commentary on the action that was taking place before them.

M'Q blog's take on season;


D’Angelo Harrison, G, St. John’s — The controversial sophomore was suspended the last six games of the season last year, but he’ll return with a clean slate as an upperclassman needing to prove his worth. The numbers have always been there — he averaged 17.8 points per game — now it’s time for it to produce wins for Steve Lavin’s group. If he keeps his head on straight, admittedly a big “if,” he’ll earn First Team honors.

Second Team:

Jakarr Sampson, F, St. John’s — Last year’s Big East Rookie of the Year performed admirably and will need to be Harrison’s No. 2 for a St. John’s team that, shocker, will again be one of the youngest in the country. He’s more athlete than basketball player and another offseason of work and understanding of the game will do him good. He averaged 14.9 points and 6.6 rebounds per game last year. His sophomore numbers should look even better.

Third Team;

Rysheed Jordan, G, St. John’s — One freshman had to make all-conference honors, so why not Jordan? The 6-foot-3 point guard chose the Johnnies over UCLA and enters the fold as the 17th best prospect in the 2013 class, the highest-ranked newcomer in the conference. He’s a powerful scorer who runs the break well but must show he can run a team. Given the minutes he’ll likely need to play, he should do just that.


Honorable mention candidates

Ryan Arcidiacono, G, Villanova
Khyle Marshall, F, Butler
Kellen Dunham, F, Butler
D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, G, Georgetown
Eugene Teague, C, Seton Hall
Chris Obekpa, C, St. John’s
Jajuan Johnson, G, Marquette
Eli Carter, G, Rutgers
Nate Lubick, F, Georgetown

Eli Carter??? Maybe at UF. Ha

“@nybuckets: .@PaintTouches Did his own take on the Way Too Early Big East teams. Definitely different: http://painttouches.com/2013/07/24/all-big-east-team-predictions-july-edition/”

Butler Preview;
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/big-east-2014-preview/2013/7/25/4548876/big-eas,t-,offseason-summer-preview-butler-bulldogs

M'Q blog's take on season;


D’Angelo Harrison, G, St. John’s — The controversial sophomore was suspended the last six games of the season last year, but he’ll return with a clean slate as an upperclassman needing to prove his worth. The numbers have always been there — he averaged 17.8 points per game — now it’s time for it to produce wins for Steve Lavin’s group. If he keeps his head on straight, admittedly a big “if,” he’ll earn First Team honors.

Second Team:

Jakarr Sampson, F, St. John’s — Last year’s Big East Rookie of the Year performed admirably and will need to be Harrison’s No. 2 for a St. John’s team that, shocker, will again be one of the youngest in the country. He’s more athlete than basketball player and another offseason of work and understanding of the game will do him good. He averaged 14.9 points and 6.6 rebounds per game last year. His sophomore numbers should look even better.

Third Team;

Rysheed Jordan, G, St. John’s — One freshman had to make all-conference honors, so why not Jordan? The 6-foot-3 point guard chose the Johnnies over UCLA and enters the fold as the 17th best prospect in the 2013 class, the highest-ranked newcomer in the conference. He’s a powerful scorer who runs the break well but must show he can run a team. Given the minutes he’ll likely need to play, he should do just that.


Honorable mention candidates

Ryan Arcidiacono, G, Villanova
Khyle Marshall, F, Butler
Kellen Dunham, F, Butler
D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, G, Georgetown
Eugene Teague, C, Seton Hall
Chris Obekpa, C, St. John’s
Jajuan Johnson, G, Marquette
Eli Carter, G, Rutgers
Nate Lubick, F, Georgetown

Eli Carter??? Maybe at UF. Ha

“@nybuckets: .@PaintTouches Did his own take on the Way Too Early Big East teams. Definitely different: http://painttouches.com/2013/07/24/all-big-east-team-predictions-july-edition/”

Do you find it odd that Orlando Sanchez isn't on a pre season team or even honorable mention?

Quote from: paultzman on July 24, 2013, 12:27:17 PM

M'Q blog's take on season;


D’Angelo Harrison, G, St. John’s — The controversial sophomore was suspended the last six games of the season last year, but he’ll return with a clean slate as an upperclassman needing to prove his worth. The numbers have always been there — he averaged 17.8 points per game — now it’s time for it to produce wins for Steve Lavin’s group. If he keeps his head on straight, admittedly a big “if,” he’ll earn First Team honors.

Second Team:

Jakarr Sampson, F, St. John’s — Last year’s Big East Rookie of the Year performed admirably and will need to be Harrison’s No. 2 for a St. John’s team that, shocker, will again be one of the youngest in the country. He’s more athlete than basketball player and another offseason of work and understanding of the game will do him good. He averaged 14.9 points and 6.6 rebounds per game last year. His sophomore numbers should look even better.

Third Team;

Rysheed Jordan, G, St. John’s — One freshman had to make all-conference honors, so why not Jordan? The 6-foot-3 point guard chose the Johnnies over UCLA and enters the fold as the 17th best prospect in the 2013 class, the highest-ranked newcomer in the conference. He’s a powerful scorer who runs the break well but must show he can run a team. Given the minutes he’ll likely need to play, he should do just that.


Honorable mention candidates

Ryan Arcidiacono, G, Villanova
Khyle Marshall, F, Butler
Kellen Dunham, F, Butler
D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, G, Georgetown
Eugene Teague, C, Seton Hall
Chris Obekpa, C, St. John’s
Jajuan Johnson, G, Marquette
Eli Carter, G, Rutgers
Nate Lubick, F, Georgetown

Eli Carter??? Maybe at UF. Ha

“@nybuckets: .@PaintTouches Did his own take on the Way Too Early Big East teams. Definitely different: http://painttouches.com/2013/07/24/all-big-east-team-predictions-july-edition/”

Do you find it odd that Orlando Sanchez isn't on a pre season team or even honorable mention?

not really.  no one has seen him play.

“@PaintTouches: [New to PT] Buzz built his frontcourt on 2- and 3-star players. Now he's cashing in on trying to land a prized big: http://bit.ly/12ldVoy”

6'6" talented 2014 guard;

“@Future150EricH: Sandy Cohen has committed to Marquette, according to various reports. Huge commitment for the Golden Eagles. Kid drips upside.”

Imo, impressive;
"MU: Creighton has spent the past decade playing in front of 17,000 fans in an NBA-style arena for its home games, routinely selling out and finishing in the top ten nationally in attendance. CU Hoops is a tough ticket. They have nearly 13,000 season ticket holders, which is more people than the arena capacity of many schools in the Big East. That's impressive enough on it's own, but even moreso considering CU has an undergraduate enrollment of just over 4,000."

Whole article;

“@QSTJHoops: Big East Summer Q&A: Max Univers of @whitebluereview tells us about Creighton. #stjbb #sjubb #GoJays http://sbn.to/1c2vahM”

I have always read that Creighton drew extremely well, so no surprise to me.  It is why they are a good addition to the conference.  Not having to compete with many professional sports teams obviously helps, as well as being in an area with limited sources of other entertainment.

“@DMartinCSN: Big East represented on @NBCSN @ Battle 4 Atlantis. 1st Rd 11/28: Xavier v. Iowa @ 7pm, Villanova v. USC @ 1pm. Nova could face KU in 2nd rd”

“@PaintTouches: [New to PT, for whoever the hell would be up] Column: Buzz Williams building a family at Marquette: http://bit.ly/12AOUpF #mubb”

“@QSTJHoops: Big East Summer Q&A: Will Georgetown be able to maintain its excellence in 2013-14? #stjbb #sjubb #Hoyas http://sbn.to/13WkjRy”