Big East could vote to dissolve

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Memphis and Temple are more likely.  Memphis is just dreadful.  Temple loses coaches like I change socks.  They dont have stadium and rent out the Linc.  And pretty much have zero chance of making one of the big 4 conferences.

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

It's such a complicated mess with the fight for supremacy struggles these days between the Pac 12, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC all vying for the 4 BCS spots. The Big East Football would likely still be 6th when they pluck anything of value from Conf USA and Mtn West.

You could easily ask UCONN, Cincinnati, Temple, South Florida, and Memphis to go independent in football but then they are basically left out of the BCS mix. That won't happen but they all want to eventually go to one of the big five which likely can only happen for UCONN and Cincinnati in my opinion with the exception of perhaps Temple.

It's better for the basketball schools not to get into any of these arrangements, keep it clean and go non football schools only.

You want a conference that will not have the threat of defections. Basketball schools will try to improve themselves to get in. This can grow in the future to maximize more TV dollars with divisions to ensure the original rivalries.       

Quote from: desco80 on December 14, 2012, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Memphis and Temple are more likely.  Memphis is just dreadful.  Temple loses coaches like I change socks.  They dont have stadium and rent out the Linc.  And pretty much have zero chance of making one of the big 4 conferences.

Those schools have to face reality--nothing and never will be in BCS football.  To accept them in OUR conference they would have to step down to the FB level of Nova and Georgetown

Quote from: Moose on December 14, 2012, 10:45:43 AM

Quote from: desco80 on December 14, 2012, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Memphis and Temple are more likely.  Memphis is just dreadful.  Temple loses coaches like I change socks.  They dont have stadium and rent out the Linc.  And pretty much have zero chance of making one of the big 4 conferences.

Those schools have to face reality--nothing and never will be in BCS football.  To accept them in OUR conference they would have to step down to the FB level of Nova and Georgetown

Exactly.  Schools will do it.  Just a question of which school is first to take the leap

Quote from: redslope on December 14, 2012, 11:30:02 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 14, 2012, 10:45:43 AM

Quote from: desco80 on December 14, 2012, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Memphis and Temple are more likely.  Memphis is just dreadful.  Temple loses coaches like I change socks.  They dont have stadium and rent out the Linc.  And pretty much have zero chance of making one of the big 4 conferences.

Those schools have to face reality--nothing and never will be in BCS football.  To accept them in OUR conference they would have to step down to the FB level of Nova and Georgetown

Exactly.  Schools will do it.  Just a question of which school is first to take the leap

I personally think Memphis. UCONN too hard headed, Temple likely too. Tulane has had a history with football, they probably won't. Cincinnati will find a home. South Florida I don't know.

Quote from: redslope on December 14, 2012, 11:30:02 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 14, 2012, 10:45:43 AM

Quote from: desco80 on December 14, 2012, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 10:39:21 AM

I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Memphis and Temple are more likely.  Memphis is just dreadful.  Temple loses coaches like I change socks.  They dont have stadium and rent out the Linc.  And pretty much have zero chance of making one of the big 4 conferences.

Those schools have to face reality--nothing and never will be in BCS football.  To accept them in OUR conference they would have to step down to the FB level of Nova and Georgetown

Exactly.  Schools will do it.  Just a question of which school is first to take the leap

Agree it will happen.  It is because these programs will keep bleeding dollars.  The money invested is already gone.  The upkeep can be extremely expensive.  And when a few drop football, they will likely have a dedicated bball league here to add to and strengthen. 

I don't see uconn investing millions of dollars in football to compete at the bcs level ( i know they are not, but they view themselves as that) just to downgrade its program. We did see it on a much much smaller level at Hofstra when they disbanded a pretty successful 1aa program but that was done for cost savings and academic reasons.

I don't see uconn investing millions of dollars in football to compete at the bcs level ( i know they are not, but they view themselves as that) just to downgrade its program. We did see it on a much much smaller level at Hofstra when they disbanded a pretty successful 1aa program but that was done for cost savings and academic reasons.

Uconn can't afford to with a 40k seat stadium.  Temple should really consider it.  They just use The stadium the Eagles play in and have perennially been a doormat except for Golden's teams.  Would love to have Temple as a bball only in the league. 

Quote from: erickthered on December 14, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

I don't see uconn investing millions of dollars in football to compete at the bcs level ( i know they are not, but they view themselves as that) just to downgrade its program. We did see it on a much much smaller level at Hofstra when they disbanded a pretty successful 1aa program but that was done for cost savings and academic reasons.

Uconn can't afford to with a 40k seat stadium.  Temple should really consider it.  They just use The stadium the Eagles play in and have perennially been a doormat except for Golden's teams.  Would love to have Temple as a bball only in the league. 

One of my best friends just transferred to temple to play football during his 5th year (grad transfer rule). I would feel awful for him if temple decided to drop their fbs program.

FB in the BCS sense is all about the money.  Colleges look at the lure of the big pay day from the TV contract and, if really good, from the major bowl money.  To make that money costs a lot of money.  Think of the # of scholarships including room and board, then the number of coached, etc. to train them.  Next you have to build the stadium. Then there is insurance which will sky rocket if the NFL players win their battle over concussions.  There is also the hidden costs under Title 9 whereby colleges must provide for the same number of scholarships and room and board for an equal number of women in sports (why SJU got out of the FB business).  Then you have travel costs for all teams from the athletic budget and with "super" leagues these can grow significantly (think RU now having to send Vollelball team all over the Big 10 rather than bus rides to Nova, SJU, SH. 

States are under tremendous pressure, now spending more on medicaid then education.  Interest on muni bonds to finance state school projects make become taxable forcing them to pay higher borrowing costs.  They will start to reassess the unbridled contributions to state universities.

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: erickthered on December 14, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

I don't see uconn investing millions of dollars in football to compete at the bcs level ( i know they are not, but they view themselves as that) just to downgrade its program. We did see it on a much much smaller level at Hofstra when they disbanded a pretty successful 1aa program but that was done for cost savings and academic reasons.

Uconn can't afford to with a 40k seat stadium.  Temple should really consider it.  They just use The stadium the Eagles play in and have perennially been a doormat except for Golden's teams.  Would love to have Temple as a bball only in the league. 

One of my best friends just transferred to temple to play football during his 5th year (grad transfer rule). I would feel awful for him if temple decided to drop their fbs program.

Well it wouldnt affect him.  They won't drop it overnight.

Can't believe people actually are thinking twice about adding football schools. SMH

The only way I do it is if they sign an ironclad contract that they will go independent for 10 years, they won't do it as there would be no money but otherwise, I say best of luck to UCONN Temple etc

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 14, 2012, 12:05:19 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on December 14, 2012, 11:47:22 AM

Quote from: erickthered on December 14, 2012, 11:40:02 AM

I don't see uconn investing millions of dollars in football to compete at the bcs level ( i know they are not, but they view themselves as that) just to downgrade its program. We did see it on a much much smaller level at Hofstra when they disbanded a pretty successful 1aa program but that was done for cost savings and academic reasons.

Uconn can't afford to with a 40k seat stadium.  Temple should really consider it.  They just use The stadium the Eagles play in and have perennially been a doormat except for Golden's teams.  Would love to have Temple as a bball only in the league. 

One of my best friends just transferred to temple to play football during his 5th year (grad transfer rule). I would feel awful for him if temple decided to drop their fbs program.

Well it wouldnt affect him.  They won't drop it overnight.

Hofstra did.

Can't believe people actually are thinking twice about adding football schools. SMH

The only way I do it is if they sign an ironclad contract that they will go independent for 10 years, they won't do it as there would be no money but otherwise, I say best of luck to UCONN Temple etc

Would you marry a beautiful woman who is an adulterous? That's what where dealing with. FB schools are chasing the money and with all the uncertainty out there with FB programs, it would be best to focus on BB only schools at this moment. After the dust settles, and the top 5 conferences are full to capacity, (whatever number that ultimately is), and our new conference is looking to expand, then I would consider a quality BB program that has FB, but only at that time. The horse that pulls our wagon must always be basketball.

if reports are true that cincy and uconn are forming their own league...then it's unlikely they'll drop out of something they formed for greener pastures..

if reports are true that cincy and uconn are forming their own league...then it's unlikely they'll drop out of something they formed for greener pastures..

Syracuse did.  If it means more money, they will too.

if reports are true that cincy and uconn are forming their own league...then it's unlikely they'll drop out of something they formed for greener pastures..

If that is true then I would believe the Big East name will be retained by the catholic schools.

if reports are true that cincy and uconn are forming their own league...then it's unlikely they'll drop out of something they formed for greener pastures..

Newsie  they would leave in heartbeat

Quote from: newsman13 on December 14, 2012, 02:14:51 PM

if reports are true that cincy and uconn are forming their own league...then it's unlikely they'll drop out of something they formed for greener pastures..

Newsie  they would leave in heartbeat

Newsie I think is one of the few who isn't a fan of our move.