Big East could vote to dissolve

 Its a ridiculous statement.  Newsie is better than that.  The football founding members had no problem leaving.  Uconn and cincy would leave for $15-20 million over $5 million at most quicker than a knife fight in a phone booth.

By LENN ROBBINS
Posted: 3:01 PM, December 14, 2012
Presidents of the Atlantic 10 conference have scheduled a meeting for next Thursday with the intent of solidifying commitments from its membership, The Post has learned

According to a person with direct knowledge of the meeting, the A-10, aware of the impending Big East split, is concerned that St. Louis, Dayton and Xavier have “one foot out the door.”

A Post source also said that Creighton has been contacted by representatives of the seven Catholic schools that are leaving the Big East. Those schools are seeking to bolster a “western division” that would include DePaul, Marquette and Creighton. Duquesne has also become a program of interest.



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Duquense?? c'mon now, i don't like the sound of that.... i think a western division is a great move, but hook up with Gonzaga and St. Mary's (unless that's too far west.

The whole point of this split is to not deal with watered down bball programs.  Getting Creighton in the mix is a wonderful idea, strong bball and great secondary sports as well.  Let's hope the A-10 schools don't get cold feet now.

Duquense?? c'mon now, i don't like the sound of that.... i think a western division is a great move, but hook up with Gonzaga and St. Mary's (unless that's too far west.

The whole point of this split is to not deal with watered down bball programs.  Getting Creighton in the mix is a wonderful idea, strong bball and great secondary sports as well.  Let's hope the A-10 schools don't get cold feet now.

Every conference needs a bottom feeder.

Funny some people think Creighton being in the middle of nowhere brings not much to the table.

I agree that Ohama, NE might not exactly be a media powerhouse... however they bring an established bball team who has recently been a perennial top 25 team and a strong fanbase (avg 16K in home attendance)

I know the media deal is a driving factor, but we can't afford to sacrifice program quality (i.e. duquense) just to be in large media outlets... at least not at first with an untested conference... establish power bball with current top 25 schools and then worry about where the games are getting picked up and maybe adding new members. Remember this move was a spurred by the BE ruining teams current RPI with the likes of Tulane, SMU, etc... let's not make the same mistake twice

I agree that Ohama, NE might not exactly be a media powerhouse... however they bring an established bball team who has recently been a perennial top 25 team and a strong fanbase (avg 16K in home attendance)

I know the media deal is a driving factor, but we can't afford to sacrifice program quality (i.e. duquense) just to be in large media outlets... at least not at first with an untested conference... establish power bball with current top 25 schools and then worry about where the games are getting picked up and maybe adding new members. Remember this move was a spurred by the BE ruining teams current RPI with the likes of Tulane, SMU, etc... let's not make the same mistake twice

I'd be shocked if Duquense is considered.  We have 3-5 spots to fill.  Xavier, Butler, Dayton and St. Louis seem like very strong possibilities.  Other options like VCU also seem possible.  There is always the Gonzaga possibility.  Duquense is pretty far down the list I think.

Agree, just because Duquesne is mentioned doesn't mean it's true.  Lots of names being floated but not all likely tre.  There are better schools to add for sure and I doubt the Dukes will be one of them.

i think duquesne kicked west virginia's ass the other day.

i'm no soothsayer.  yes, syracuse was a founder of the big east...and they left.  it took them 33 years.  uconn and cincy would leave for the acc today...in a heartbeat.  they may see the writing on the wall that an invitation isn't forthcoming.  otherwise, they'd be gone already.  so they're forming a new conference that's pretty good and if the bucks are good, they'll sign the papers.  i don't see them leaving...especially after all the numbers are crunched.
it comes down to who you want to sleep with...someone who looks like beyonce who has football baggage...or someone who looks like janet reno with a basketball-only pedigree.

i think duquesne kicked west virginia's ass the other day.

i'm no soothsayer.  yes, syracuse was a founder of the big east...and they left.  it took them 33 years.  uconn and cincy would leave for the acc today...in a heartbeat.  they may see the writing on the wall that an invitation isn't forthcoming.  otherwise, they'd be gone already.  so they're forming a new conference that's pretty good and if the bucks are good, they'll sign the papers.  i don't see them leaving...especially after all the numbers are crunched.
it comes down to who you want to sleep with...someone who looks like beyonce who has football baggage...or someone who looks like janet reno with a basketball-only pedigree.

The $ wasn't looking good for BE and losing the NYC, DC, PHI and CHI markets experts say will slice it even 25-30% less.  It was in the 60-80 range with 80 being a pipe dream.  Our TV deal will be just as good most likely.

Interesting analysis of utility of the 7 schools breaking rank. The author is Nate Silver, the stats wonk who was on the money in recent presidential campaign.

“@fivethirtyeight: [new article] A Smart Breakaway for Big East Basketball Schools http://t.co/crKiMksM”

Interesting analysis of utility of the 7 schools breaking rank. The author is Nate Silver, the stats wonk who was on the money in recent presidential campaign.

“@fivethirtyeight: [new article] A Smart Breakaway for Big East Basketball Schools http://t.co/crKiMksM”

Best comparo yet.  The league would be strong, especially after some of the "mid majors" have higher level recruiting under their belt.  The goal of all these programs should be Duke.  Duke is nothing but a mid-major type of school that grew up in an ACC environment and built a dynasty.  They still play in a dingy 9k seat arena with no A/C called Cameron yet they thrive.  Same can happen with the right schools moving forward, even if not to the same level. 

Interesting analysis of utility of the 7 schools breaking rank. The author is Nate Silver, the stats wonk who was on the money in recent presidential campaign.

“@fivethirtyeight: [new article] A Smart Breakaway for Big East Basketball Schools http://t.co/crKiMksM”

Thank you for sharing--I really like Nate's work.  Think we would have had a higher rating if it was not for the Keita forfeitures and adding selected schools would give the new conference a rating that would only be second to the ACC.  I really don't see gonzaga in the mix as they are too far removed and getting to Spokane is difficult.  It would hurt all the other conference sports.

Also someone mentioned LAX before and what this does to the BE--we would have 5 LAX teams as Marquette becomes an NCAA team this year and you could have RU playing LAX in the BE (6 team league) as the Big 10 does not have LAX and possibly p/u some teams from the ECAC.

fwiw, i would prefer to add dayton in addition to the other two, and keep it to ten schools.  everybody plays each other twice.  top eight teams make the tourney.  not nearly the league we once had, but at least i can identify with the schools.  the best scenario in a bad situation.  i think, as a minimum, gtown, st johns, nova, marquette, and xavier need to be strong year in and year out for the league to be successful.  then, if we get a strong year from any of the other schools, it would be gravy.

First no Temple because it is a catholic league. Would agree that a 10 team league is slightly preferable to 12 as if you play everyone twice you build up rivalries with all members were as 2 divisions of 6 each playing other division only once you don't get the rivalries. Only disagree with your not including all teams in post season tourney as I remember how much it sucked to be shut out of it. Nothing wrong with first day of 8-9 and 7-10 to get to quarterfinals, or for 12 teams top 4 bye and than the quarters.

Quote from: stormwarning on December 13, 2012, 11:27:33 PM

fwiw, i would prefer to add dayton in addition to the other two, and keep it to ten schools.  everybody plays each other twice.  top eight teams make the tourney.  not nearly the league we once had, but at least i can identify with the schools.  the best scenario in a bad situation.  i think, as a minimum, gtown, st johns, nova, marquette, and xavier need to be strong year in and year out for the league to be successful.  then, if we get a strong year from any of the other schools, it would be gravy.

First no Temple because it is a catholic league. Would agree that a 10 team league is slightly preferable to 12 as if you play everyone twice you build up rivalries with all members were as 2 divisions of 6 each playing other division only once you don't get the rivalries. Only disagree with your not including all teams in post season tourney as I remember how much it sucked to be shut out of it. Nothing wrong with first day of 8-9 and 7-10 to get to quarterfinals, or for 12 teams top 4 bye and than the quarters.

10 vs 12 also allows for more non conference games.  We can big lots of big boys.

I'll add that the Big East was built as a coaches league.  It is once again.  Calhoun is gone.  Boeheim is gone soon.  So are Roy, Ricky Pitino and others.  Not saying our league will keep all these guys but they have stayed this long and have shown real character and have stayed at their respective programs despite big offers already.

-John Thompson Jr.

-Steve Lavin

-Jay Wright

-Brad Stevens

-Shaka Smart

-Chris Mack

All you need to see is the list above to realize that this basketball league has real legs. Some of the best young coaches in the game, with Lvin being one of the "elder" statesmen in his mid 40's which is real young.  Anybody who thinks they are dealing with a "mid major" conference is sorely mistaken, especially with greater visibility and recruiting ability of thee programs.

Duquense?? c'mon now, i don't like the sound of that.... i think a western division is a great move, but hook up with Gonzaga and St. Mary's (unless that's too far west.

The whole point of this split is to not deal with watered down bball programs.  Getting Creighton in the mix is a wonderful idea, strong bball and great secondary sports as well.  Let's hope the A-10 schools don't get cold feet now.

Every conference needs a stomping doormat. They could be our rutgers

Quote from: nrb155 on December 14, 2012, 03:49:13 PM

Duquense?? c'mon now, i don't like the sound of that.... i think a western division is a great move, but hook up with Gonzaga and St. Mary's (unless that's too far west.

The whole point of this split is to not deal with watered down bball programs.  Getting Creighton in the mix is a wonderful idea, strong bball and great secondary sports as well.  Let's hope the A-10 schools don't get cold feet now.

Every conference needs a stomping doormat. They could be our rutgers

Or we can elevate their stature to give Pitt a game every year!! ;-)

Duquense has no bizness vein anywheres near here. Lousy facilities, doormat in current conf., no histry of success and they is the 3rd best program in they city after Pitt and Rob Morris.

The hell would anybdy think of them?

Wait, is this really going to be a catholic only league?
That post article mentions xavier Dayton st Louis creighton and duquesne being contacted... What do those schools all have in common?
No discussions with butler or vcu ?  or does Lenny just not know of them?

This is troubling imo.   I didn't think catholic only was a real possibility. 
Always assumed the league would be.mostly catholic.  But exclusively?  that's going to rub people the wrong way.