Big East could vote to dissolve

All of you guys bagging on the new conference, what is your alternative?  What should StJ and the rest of the non football schools done?   If you are going to knock everything at least offer up something you would recommend instead.

You guys sound like a bunch of old women sometimes. 

It's pretty simple what they should do. Add Butler, VCU and Temple. At least add Butler and VCU. Then we will be adding teams that contribute to our success. We have too many garbage programs, and not enough star power.

Quote from: redstorm212 on February 18, 2013, 01:08:13 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 18, 2013, 11:28:14 AM

Quote from: sju89tr on February 18, 2013, 10:14:46 AM

MCN, the C7 is definitely not the A10, they were lucky to get Butler and VCU for the time being. The C7 is also not the Big East that exists today.
All seven schools did the right thing and the only thing to do.
The new conference will be competitive and get about half the teams into the NCAA's on a yearly basis.
Not more you can ask for.
We will add the very best of schools that don't play D1 football.
The west thing is a complicated issue, would love Gonzaga and perhaps St. Mary's but just don't see it working at this time.

The C7 isn't as strong as the A10.

G'Town > Butler
Marquette > VCU
Villanova > Xavier
St. John's > Any other A10 program

Providence and Seton Hall are both better programs than any others in the A10 besides the top 3 schools.

Kind of a stupid post.

I disagree with every comparison you made. Every one of them. Talk to me about GTown when they can get out of the first round. Forget the A10, Butler is one of the best programs in the entire country. So is VCU.

Marquette is better than VCU? The Marqette team that lost to Florida by 43 effin points? Seton Hall? Are you nuts? They are terrible. Are you seriously bragging about Villanova? They are at best, a bubble team. We are not even a bubble team!!

You guys need to stop self medicating.

We're talking about the historic program of Georgetown vs. freaking Butler. Then we have Marquette who is historically a better program than Virginia Commonwealth. I'm not "bragging" about Villanova, just pointing out they are a better program than Xavier is right now.

Not to mention Both Georgetown and Marquette are ranked higher than Butler and VCU respectively.

Then the rest of the A10 is complete crap. I suppose an argument can be made (a weak one) that THIS year, the A10 would be slightly stronger than the C7 would be.

But Poison, are you honestly saying than if you were starting a conference you would take Butler, VCU, Xavier, and let's say St. Joes or St. Louis to be your top 4 over:

Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, and St. John's?

Quote from: Choz4Life on February 18, 2013, 12:51:59 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 18, 2013, 11:28:14 AM

The C7 isn't as strong as the A10.

The bottom of the A10 is really, really bad.

Choz, Depaul, Seton Hall and Rutgers or Fordham, Duquene or URI? I agree, the BE is stronger than that. But is that really the victory we need?
Maybe Rutgers and Seton Hall will make the CBI. Thor bottom 3 or 4 teams probably won't. So, clearly, we're better overall. But honestly, who cares? Who follows the CBI?

At the end of the day, GTown and Marquette are good programs, but they are not good enough to carry a conference.

You go to the finals in back to back seasons, you are great. No one can debate that.

Bottom line is we gonna add the best of the non-FBS A10 schools. Its all good far as Im concern.

Would i luv Temple? Yeah.
UMASS? Prolly

but I aint touchin no fball schools. had enuf of it.

All of you guys bagging on the new conference, what is your alternative?  What should StJ and the rest of the non football schools done?   If you are going to knock everything at least offer up something you would recommend instead.

You guys sound like a bunch of old women sometimes.

I only see one poster on here really bagging the C7, but then it seems par for the course for him (or her).

Quote from: Poison on February 18, 2013, 01:35:40 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on February 18, 2013, 01:08:13 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 18, 2013, 11:28:14 AM

Quote from: sju89tr on February 18, 2013, 10:14:46 AM

MCN, the C7 is definitely not the A10, they were lucky to get Butler and VCU for the time being. The C7 is also not the Big East that exists today.
All seven schools did the right thing and the only thing to do.
The new conference will be competitive and get about half the teams into the NCAA's on a yearly basis.
Not more you can ask for.
We will add the very best of schools that don't play D1 football.
The west thing is a complicated issue, would love Gonzaga and perhaps St. Mary's but just don't see it working at this time.

The C7 isn't as strong as the A10.

G'Town > Butler
Marquette > VCU
Villanova > Xavier
St. John's > Any other A10 program

Providence and Seton Hall are both better programs than any others in the A10 besides the top 3 schools.

Kind of a stupid post.

I disagree with every comparison you made. Every one of them. Talk to me about GTown when they can get out of the first round. Forget the A10, Butler is one of the best programs in the entire country. So is VCU.

Marquette is better than VCU? The Marqette team that lost to Florida by 43 effin points? Seton Hall? Are you nuts? They are terrible. Are you seriously bragging about Villanova? They are at best, a bubble team. We are not even a bubble team!!

You guys need to stop self medicating.

We're talking about the historic program of Georgetown vs. freaking Butler. Then we have Marquette who is historically a better program than Virginia Commonwealth. I'm not "bragging" about Villanova, just pointing out they are a better program than Xavier is right now.

Not to mention Both Georgetown and Marquette are ranked higher than Butler and VCU respectively.

Then the rest of the A10 is complete crap. I suppose an argument can be made (a weak one) that THIS year, the A10 would be slightly stronger than the C7 would be.

But Poison, are you honestly saying than if you were starting a conference you would take Butler, VCU, Xavier, and let's say St. Joes or St. Louis to be your top 4 over:

Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, and St. John's?

Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin ain't walking through the door. But you know who is, Brad Stevens. Like it or not, he's a legend in his own time. We need that kind of star power, and he and Butler absolutely deserve it.

We'll see this March which of the C7 makes noise, and which of the A10 does. That's the great thing about this debate. One of us will be proven right.

When the C7 comes to fruition, it will have Xavier and Butler. The A 10 will also be w/o Temple, then compare the 2 conferences. C7 hands down.

When the C7 comes to fruition, it will have Xavier and Butler. The A 10 will also be w/o Temple, then compare the 2 conferences. C7 hands down.

Yes, add one of the best programs in the country and another perenial top 25 team, and yea, that would make a big difference.

Why not VCU? For the record, I think they could beat every team in the C7. They would eat us alive.

 I would take VCU in a heartbeat.

Siena is not even the best bb team in the capital district.  They are worse than Albany but granted better than RPI, Skidmore and the College of St. Rose. 

Christian 7 better off taking Albany.  Just need to get them out of Sefco and into the big arena.

Seriously, Siena won't be joining the new league.

Quote from: ras on February 18, 2013, 02:29:36 PM

When the C7 comes to fruition, it will have Xavier and Butler. The A 10 will also be w/o Temple, then compare the 2 conferences. C7 hands down.

Yes, add one of the best programs in the country and another perenial top 25 team, and yea, that would make a big difference.

Why not VCU? For the record, I think they could beat every team in the C7. They would eat us alive.

I also like VCU.

I would take VCU in a heartbeat.

Until smart moves on.

Quote from: boo3 on February 18, 2013, 02:50:50 PM

I would take VCU in a heartbeat.

Until smart moves on.

Perhaps he stays if they are in a better conference than the A-10. Not sure what job he has his eye on, but he turned down Illinois and I think that is really good job.

Quote from: gman on February 18, 2013, 08:11:57 PM

Quote from: boo3 on February 18, 2013, 02:50:50 PM

I would take VCU in a heartbeat.

Until smart moves on.

Perhaps he stays if they are in a better conference than the A-10. Not sure what job he has his eye on, but he turned down Illinois and I think that is really good job.

Wisconsin?
Marquette?

Quote from: MCNPA on February 18, 2013, 01:28:40 PM

C7 will be taking the best of the A10 so I don't see what the argument is.  As of now the C7 is looking at minimum to have 2 of the 7 in the dance if not 3 or 4 of 7.  This is in a league competing with the best schools in the country.  We will add schools that are capable basketball programs and the product won't be watered down I don't think as all will be focused on elevating their basketball programs. 

If we do that, we'll be okay. The minute we add VCU and Butler those teams will be the best teams in our conference.

If we add them we'll be Ok?
Butler has been relevant since 2007, and VCU still isn't.  VCU has gotten out of the 2nd round once....ever. 

They will be fortunate to get invited to join the C7, not the other way around. 

Quote from: Poison on February 18, 2013, 01:45:18 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on February 18, 2013, 01:28:40 PM

C7 will be taking the best of the A10 so I don't see what the argument is.  As of now the C7 is looking at minimum to have 2 of the 7 in the dance if not 3 or 4 of 7.  This is in a league competing with the best schools in the country.  We will add schools that are capable basketball programs and the product won't be watered down I don't think as all will be focused on elevating their basketball programs. 

If we do that, we'll be okay. The minute we add VCU and Butler those teams will be the best teams in our conference.

If we add them we'll be Ok?
Butler has been relevant since 2007, and VCU still isn't.  VCU has gotten out of the 2nd round once....ever. 

They will be fortunate to get invited to join the C7, not the other way around. 

That's the thing. Relevance is what this is about. As coach used to say, one day a peacock, the next a feather duster. Butler is a great program now. Do you realize that Brad Stevens is already more accomplished than Lou Carnesecca?

I'm surprised that a bunch of New Yorkers have such little respect for these accomplishments. I thought we were impressed with success? No one cares about a program that hardly ever wins.

VCU or Georgetown. Under the current coach, who's better? Tough call. Georgetown has the name, I'll give you that. Most of the "names" in this "C7" haven't been names in over a decade.

Depaul is awful. Providence hasn't been good in 15 years. We have not sustained more than a brief run of success for more than two years since Lou retired. The most impressive thing we've done is that we've found a way not to get evicted from MSG. Nova is a good program, but they starting to slip. Seton Hall is a disaster. Marquette is good, but ya know what? In March, they don't scare me. Neither does GTown. For all the hype, the last few years, collectively this "C7" group hasn't done sh*t in March. If you want to be respected as or even considered to be a high major conference you have to perform when it counts.

Butler, and Brad Stevens have proven beyond any doubt, that their program is for real. VCU, true, isn't as strong as Butler, but then again, neither are any of the "C7" teams. There is no reason not to add these programs. They are close enough so that travel won't wear on the players, and they are good enough to not only compete, but finish towards the top the conference every year.

Quote from: desco80 on February 18, 2013, 10:31:34 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 18, 2013, 01:45:18 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on February 18, 2013, 01:28:40 PM

C7 will be taking the best of the A10 so I don't see what the argument is.  As of now the C7 is looking at minimum to have 2 of the 7 in the dance if not 3 or 4 of 7.  This is in a league competing with the best schools in the country.  We will add schools that are capable basketball programs and the product won't be watered down I don't think as all will be focused on elevating their basketball programs. 

If we do that, we'll be okay. The minute we add VCU and Butler those teams will be the best teams in our conference.

If we add them we'll be Ok?
Butler has been relevant since 2007, and VCU still isn't.  VCU has gotten out of the 2nd round once....ever. 

They will be fortunate to get invited to join the C7, not the other way around. 

That's the thing. Relevance is what this is about. As coach used to say, one day a peacock, the next a feather duster. Butler is a great program now. Do you realize that Brad Stevens is already more accomplished than Lou Carnesecca?

I'm surprised that a bunch of New Yorkers have such little respect for these accomplishments. I thought we were impressed with success? No one cares about a program that hardly ever wins.

VCU or Georgetown. Under the current coach, who's better? Tough call. Georgetown has the name, I'll give you that. Most of the "names" in this "C7" haven't been names in over a decade.

Depaul is awful. Providence hasn't been good in 15 years. We have not sustained more than a brief run of success for more than two years since Lou retired. The most impressive thing we've done is that we've found a way not to get evicted from MSG. Nova is a good program, but they starting to slip. Seton Hall is a disaster. Marquette is good, but ya know what? In March, they don't scare me. Neither does GTown. For all the hype, the last few years, collectively this "C7" group hasn't done sh*t in March. If you want to be respected as or even considered to be a high major conference you have to perform when it counts.

Butler, and Brad Stevens have proven beyond any doubt, that their program is for real. VCU, true, isn't as strong as Butler, but then again, neither are any of the "C7" teams. There is no reason not to add these programs. They are close enough so that travel won't wear on the players, and they are good enough to not only compete, but finish towards the top the conference every year.

They also have the better program. Give us that.

Quote from: LJSA on February 18, 2013, 10:28:52 PM

Perhaps he stays if they are in a better conference than the A-10. Not sure what job he has his eye on, but he turned down Illinois and I think that is really good job.

Wisconsin?
Marquette?

Didn't even know he was from there until you said it. I think Illinois is a better job than Wisconsin (but not by much), but the allure of home is probably a strong one, especially when home is a great college town. Just not sure that job opens anytime soon.

I'm sure the fans there would love him after watching Ryan's very deliberate style.

Could the moderators set up one of those polls? 
   How many Schools should the league admit?
   What should the name of the league be?
   List the schools in order of preference.
   

Could the moderators set up one of those polls? 
   How many Schools should the league admit?
   What should the name of the league be?
   List the schools in order of preference.
   

Anybody can ....just hit new poll instead of new topic

Poison noone is denying butler and good programs now, but neither has the history of gtown or marquette. If smart or Stevens leaves those programs could fall hard.  If jt3 leaves that would hurt gtown, but people would line up for that job.