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I think it is fair to say that CO enjoys blocking shots and sometimes goes after a shot that someone else is in position to defend.  With time, I'm sure he will more judicious in what he goes after and he will put himself in a better position to rebound missed shots.  That being said, the intimidation factor is also very important.  If opponents are afraid to go down low, or if they rush their shots, it helps our defense tremendously even if it isn't registered as a block.

Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2012, 03:41:09 PM

Quote from: desco80 on November 30, 2012, 03:35:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on November 30, 2012, 02:45:31 PM

Quote from: stevep502 on November 30, 2012, 02:41:45 PM

Obekpa might be doing fantastic with the blocks, but its been at the expense of defensive rebounding.

Most of his blocks, he leaves his man to attempt block.
Quite a few of opponents offensive rebounds(and putbacks) are by his man that he left.

I'd rather see 2-3 more Reb per game and 1-2 less blocks

Nitpick.com really humming!

Gotta disagree with you on this one... that's DEFINITELY a fair criticism.    A lot of people have been thinking the same thing I bet. 
It's an obvious thought when we're being out-rebounded and you see our guys jumping out of their shoes constantly for a block. 

But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence.  And now they are saying well he doesnt have to block as many shots. 

Really unfair to group everyone in to one group (our fans wanted a shot blocker), and then group everyone into the other group (our fans want less blocks).  Its like saying all Giant fans are nice persons because a few fans actually are.  Now if the same poster is saying both things, then yeah, that's a fair criticism.

Isn't he saying that?

 Good points Simply Red.  It's also very easy to forget these players are all freshmen and sophomores.  There will be peaks and valleys.  Personally , this team has exceeded my expectations thus far.  For the most part, there have been very few valleys thus far.  No real shame in losing the two games we did. Frustrating that we blew a decent lead against Murray, but, it happens.

Good points Simply Red.  It's also very easy to forget these players are all freshmen and sophomores.  There will be peaks and valleys.  Personally , this team has exceeded my expectations thus far.  For the most part, there have been very few valleys thus far.  No real shame in losing the two games we did. Frustrating that we blew a decent lead against Murray, but, it happens.

Well said!

Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2012, 03:41:09 PM

Quote from: desco80 on November 30, 2012, 03:35:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on November 30, 2012, 02:45:31 PM

Quote from: stevep502 on November 30, 2012, 02:41:45 PM

Obekpa might be doing fantastic with the blocks, but its been at the expense of defensive rebounding.

Most of his blocks, he leaves his man to attempt block.
Quite a few of opponents offensive rebounds(and putbacks) are by his man that he left.

I'd rather see 2-3 more Reb per game and 1-2 less blocks

Nitpick.com really humming!

Gotta disagree with you on this one... that's DEFINITELY a fair criticism.    A lot of people have been thinking the same thing I bet. 
It's an obvious thought when we're being out-rebounded and you see our guys jumping out of their shoes constantly for a block. 

But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence.  And now they are saying well he doesnt have to block as many shots. 

Really unfair to group everyone in to one group (our fans wanted a shot blocker), and then group everyone into the other group (our fans want less blocks).  Its like saying all Giant fans are nice persons because a few fans actually are.  Now if the same poster is saying both things, then yeah, that's a fair criticism.

Please clarify - you talking football or baseball Giants?   'Cause this is like one of those old psych 101 True/False questions, where both answers can be right!

Fwiw Poison, SC entered the game as a very good shooting team.  We just locked them down for the most part yesterday.  I've seen quite a few Big East teams play this season thus far.  We are going to perform well against plenty of them, especially if we get Sanchez.

SC reminded me of a Brian Mahoney coached offense.

Quote from: dR3w on November 30, 2012, 03:45:07 PM

Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2012, 03:41:09 PM

Quote from: desco80 on November 30, 2012, 03:35:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on November 30, 2012, 02:45:31 PM

Quote from: stevep502 on November 30, 2012, 02:41:45 PM

Obekpa might be doing fantastic with the blocks, but its been at the expense of defensive rebounding.

Most of his blocks, he leaves his man to attempt block.
Quite a few of opponents offensive rebounds(and putbacks) are by his man that he left.

I'd rather see 2-3 more Reb per game and 1-2 less blocks

Nitpick.com really humming!

Gotta disagree with you on this one... that's DEFINITELY a fair criticism.    A lot of people have been thinking the same thing I bet. 
It's an obvious thought when we're being out-rebounded and you see our guys jumping out of their shoes constantly for a block. 

But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence.  And now they are saying well he doesnt have to block as many shots. 

Really unfair to group everyone in to one group (our fans wanted a shot blocker), and then group everyone into the other group (our fans want less blocks).  Its like saying all Giant fans are nice persons because a few fans actually are.  Now if the same poster is saying both things, then yeah, that's a fair criticism.

Please clarify - you talking football or baseball Giants?   'Cause this is like one of those old psych 101 True/False questions, where both answers can be right!

Sometimes I just get tired of people lumping everyone together.  Two or three posters complain about something, then all of a sudden posters will say, everyone is complaining.  No, everyone isn't complaining, just two or three posters are.  I do realize that most of the time it is done tongue-in-cheek. 

SteveP502 made a statement that he didn't like sacrificing defensive rebounds for shot blocks.  Now I certainly don't follow everything he posts, but nowhere did he say (in that post) that he has been clamoring for a shot blocker.  But the retort to his post was "But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence".  So who is "our fans".  I certainly haven't clamored for anything, and I don't recall SteveP502 "clamoring for a legit shot blocker".   

I know that I am making something out of nothing here.  If SteveP502 said in one post that we need a legit shot blocker, and then complained about losing rebounds at the expense of having shots blocked, then yeah, he probably is asking for too much (and I should just shut up).  So has he clamored for a legit shot blocker in the past?

Personally I love the whole shot-blocking mentality.   And it might cost us a few rebounds, but the intimidation factor is definitely one of those un-measurables that the team benefits from.  It is hard to put a stat on, well he settled for a jump shot because he didn't want to be on sportscenter.

I think it is fair to say that CO enjoys blocking shots and sometimes goes after a shot that someone else is in position to defend.  With time, I'm sure he will more judicious in what he goes after and he will put himself in a better position to rebound missed shots.  That being said, the intimidation factor is also very important.  If opponents are afraid to go down low, or if they rush their shots, it helps our defense tremendously even if it isn't registered as a block.

your use of "with time" is exactly the words that need to be used.  Chris has played only 7 games in college not being born here is probably behind his peer group in competitive experience and coaching.  His first few games were questionable from an offensive perspective but Coach lavin said on Francesa's show yesterday that they were urging Chris to be more agressive on the offensive end.  I think we saw the result last night of that urging.  Chris clearly listens and will learn as he matures as a player under the tuterlage of our coaches

Quote from: crgreen on November 30, 2012, 05:12:48 PM

Quote from: dR3w on November 30, 2012, 03:45:07 PM

Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2012, 03:41:09 PM

Quote from: desco80 on November 30, 2012, 03:35:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on November 30, 2012, 02:45:31 PM

Quote from: stevep502 on November 30, 2012, 02:41:45 PM

Obekpa might be doing fantastic with the blocks, but its been at the expense of defensive rebounding.

Most of his blocks, he leaves his man to attempt block.
Quite a few of opponents offensive rebounds(and putbacks) are by his man that he left.

I'd rather see 2-3 more Reb per game and 1-2 less blocks

Nitpick.com really humming!

Gotta disagree with you on this one... that's DEFINITELY a fair criticism.    A lot of people have been thinking the same thing I bet. 
It's an obvious thought when we're being out-rebounded and you see our guys jumping out of their shoes constantly for a block. 

But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence.  And now they are saying well he doesnt have to block as many shots. 

Really unfair to group everyone in to one group (our fans wanted a shot blocker), and then group everyone into the other group (our fans want less blocks).  Its like saying all Giant fans are nice persons because a few fans actually are.  Now if the same poster is saying both things, then yeah, that's a fair criticism.

Please clarify - you talking football or baseball Giants?   'Cause this is like one of those old psych 101 True/False questions, where both answers can be right!

Sometimes I just get tired of people lumping everyone together.  Two or three posters complain about something, then all of a sudden posters will say, everyone is complaining.  No, everyone isn't complaining, just two or three posters are.  I do realize that most of the time it is done tongue-in-cheek. 

SteveP502 made a statement that he didn't like sacrificing defensive rebounds for shot blocks.  Now I certainly don't follow everything he posts, but nowhere did he say (in that post) that he has been clamoring for a shot blocker.  But the retort to his post was "But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence".  So who is "our fans".  I certainly haven't clamored for anything, and I don't recall SteveP502 "clamoring for a legit shot blocker".   

I know that I am making something out of nothing here.  If SteveP502 said in one post that we need a legit shot blocker, and then complained about losing rebounds at the expense of having shots blocked, then yeah, he probably is asking for too much (and I should just shut up).  So has he clamored for a legit shot blocker in the past?

Personally I love the whole shot-blocking mentality.   And it might cost us a few rebounds, but the intimidation factor is definitely one of those un-measurables that the team benefits from.  It is hard to put a stat on, well he settled for a jump shot because he didn't want to be on sportscenter.

There is not one STJ who didn't clamor for a shot blocker.  We haven't had a legit center in eternity and everytime we played a Cuse, Lville, or Uconn and got swatted all over the court every person spoke on it pretty much

Quote from: dR3w on November 30, 2012, 05:52:55 PM

Sometimes I just get tired of people lumping everyone together.  Two or three posters complain about something, then all of a sudden posters will say, everyone is complaining.  No, everyone isn't complaining, just two or three posters are.  I do realize that most of the time it is done tongue-in-cheek. 

SteveP502 made a statement that he didn't like sacrificing defensive rebounds for shot blocks.  Now I certainly don't follow everything he posts, but nowhere did he say (in that post) that he has been clamoring for a shot blocker.  But the retort to his post was "But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence".  So who is "our fans".  I certainly haven't clamored for anything, and I don't recall SteveP502 "clamoring for a legit shot blocker".   

I know that I am making something out of nothing here.  If SteveP502 said in one post that we need a legit shot blocker, and then complained about losing rebounds at the expense of having shots blocked, then yeah, he probably is asking for too much (and I should just shut up).  So has he clamored for a legit shot blocker in the past?

Personally I love the whole shot-blocking mentality.   And it might cost us a few rebounds, but the intimidation factor is definitely one of those un-measurables that the team benefits from.  It is hard to put a stat on, well he settled for a jump shot because he didn't want to be on sportscenter.

There is not one STJ who didn't clamor for a shot blocker.  We haven't had a legit center in eternity and everytime we played a Cuse, Lville, or Uconn and got swatted all over the court every person spoke on it pretty much

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, i see.  You aren't a NY Giant fan by chance? 

Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2012, 07:32:31 PM

Quote from: dR3w on November 30, 2012, 05:52:55 PM

Sometimes I just get tired of people lumping everyone together.  Two or three posters complain about something, then all of a sudden posters will say, everyone is complaining.  No, everyone isn't complaining, just two or three posters are.  I do realize that most of the time it is done tongue-in-cheek. 

SteveP502 made a statement that he didn't like sacrificing defensive rebounds for shot blocks.  Now I certainly don't follow everything he posts, but nowhere did he say (in that post) that he has been clamoring for a shot blocker.  But the retort to his post was "But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence".  So who is "our fans".  I certainly haven't clamored for anything, and I don't recall SteveP502 "clamoring for a legit shot blocker".   

I know that I am making something out of nothing here.  If SteveP502 said in one post that we need a legit shot blocker, and then complained about losing rebounds at the expense of having shots blocked, then yeah, he probably is asking for too much (and I should just shut up).  So has he clamored for a legit shot blocker in the past?

Personally I love the whole shot-blocking mentality.   And it might cost us a few rebounds, but the intimidation factor is definitely one of those un-measurables that the team benefits from.  It is hard to put a stat on, well he settled for a jump shot because he didn't want to be on sportscenter.

There is not one STJ who didn't clamor for a shot blocker.  We haven't had a legit center in eternity and everytime we played a Cuse, Lville, or Uconn and got swatted all over the court every person spoke on it pretty much

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, i see.  You aren't a NY Giant fan by chance? 

I am.  Not following the Giants logic at all though.  Your Jets fan if I recall correctly, right?

Quote from: dR3w on November 30, 2012, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Moose on November 30, 2012, 07:32:31 PM

Quote from: dR3w on November 30, 2012, 05:52:55 PM

Sometimes I just get tired of people lumping everyone together.  Two or three posters complain about something, then all of a sudden posters will say, everyone is complaining.  No, everyone isn't complaining, just two or three posters are.  I do realize that most of the time it is done tongue-in-cheek. 

SteveP502 made a statement that he didn't like sacrificing defensive rebounds for shot blocks.  Now I certainly don't follow everything he posts, but nowhere did he say (in that post) that he has been clamoring for a shot blocker.  But the retort to his post was "But for the longest time our fans clamored for a legit shot blocking presence".  So who is "our fans".  I certainly haven't clamored for anything, and I don't recall SteveP502 "clamoring for a legit shot blocker".   

I know that I am making something out of nothing here.  If SteveP502 said in one post that we need a legit shot blocker, and then complained about losing rebounds at the expense of having shots blocked, then yeah, he probably is asking for too much (and I should just shut up).  So has he clamored for a legit shot blocker in the past?

Personally I love the whole shot-blocking mentality.   And it might cost us a few rebounds, but the intimidation factor is definitely one of those un-measurables that the team benefits from.  It is hard to put a stat on, well he settled for a jump shot because he didn't want to be on sportscenter.

There is not one STJ who didn't clamor for a shot blocker.  We haven't had a legit center in eternity and everytime we played a Cuse, Lville, or Uconn and got swatted all over the court every person spoke on it pretty much

OHHHHHHHHHHHH, i see.  You aren't a NY Giant fan by chance? 

I am.  Not following the Giants logic at all though.  Your Jets fan if I recall correctly, right?

If you look at my earlier post, you might get the joke ... and we Jet fans try to keep our fan hood quiet these days.  Normally I could be blissfully be watching hockey about now, but no ... the Rangers are finally doing something, and we have a lock out.  Damn the man.

I've noticed that Obekpa's positioing for rebounds is not the greatest, probably wanders too far from the hoop to swat shots. Something he will learn with time. Like so many of our kids, an offseason will do him wonders.

He also has the skills to be a better scorer. Perhaps if we get Sanchez qualified, he can move away from the top of the key to get better looks.

Overall, I am extremely happy with our best center in years 

Probably played our best game of season but you don't get better by patting yourself on the back and being satisfied so with that in mind I offer up an observation from last night's game-we got beat off the dribble too much. Since we have quick players this is correctible by continuing to stress proper technique and making it a point of emphasis. I noticed it at the game and then today watched the game on tv-the color commentator said the same thing about us getting beat off the dribble. But since the color commentator was a women those who don't want to face the fact that we do have some deficiencies will dismiss her opinion and my collaborating evidence. Oh and rebounding remains a problem as we continue to give up too many offensive boards. This all being said I was very happy with our performance and will take a 24 pt win every time. But if we want to be the best we can be we need to improve on D and rebounding.

Ellington, the guard activated by SC for our game, caught game winning TD v. Michigan in Outback Bowl, great game.

Ellington, the guard activated by SC for our game, caught game winning TD v. Michigan in Outback Bowel, great game.

Yes that was some BOWEL game!

Did you catch that hit by Clowney? Unbelievable.

Did you catch that hit by Clowney? Unbelievable.

Clowney is a monster. Maybe jets can go winless next season and draft him. They can assure this by just keeping Sanchez as their starting QB.

Did you catch that hit by Clowney? Unbelievable.

Great hit but these idiots need to buckle their helmets.  Every game some bonehead loses his helmet because it is more fashionable now to leave the bottom straps of the helmet loose.