Felipe Discussion from Rysheed Thread

"Felipe > Willie Glass every day of the week and twice on Sundays." Quote from guy who said USF would  get tired and we would win in game USF won going away.

Glass played in roughly 10 NCAA tourney games, was best dunker in school history, once dunked on Ralph Dalton's head, punked out Reggie Williams and had a cool haircut.
Lopez played in one more NCAA tourney game than I did and never did any of those other cool things.

One other note on Lopez. I have heard from an impeccable source that Lopez and James Scott did not get along and had a fist fight in practice. For my money Scott was a better player than Felipe the one year they played together. Lopez had an awesome Frosh year and redeemed himself his senior year. In between he played selfishly and was a stat compiler on bad teams.

"Felipe > Willie Glass every day of the week and twice on Sundays." Quote from guy who said USF would  get tired and we would win in game USF won going away.

Glass played in roughly 10 NCAA tourney games, was best dunker in school history, once dunked on Ralph Dalton's head, punked out Reggie Williams and had a cool haircut.
Lopez played in one more NCAA tourney game than I did and never did any of those other cool things.

One other note on Lopez. I have heard from an impeccable source that Lopez and James Scott did not get along and had a fist fight in practice. For my money Scott was a better player than Felipe the one year they played together. Lopez had an awesome Frosh year and redeemed himself his senior year. In between he played selfishly and was a stat compiler on bad teams.

  All of this is true.  Felipe was still a better basketball player than Willie Glass. Willie had no outside shot and if you're only 6'3", that's a problem.  I grew up with that team ( I'm 39 now) so those guys always seemed larger than life at the time.  Willie could dunk.  So could Harold Miner, and Michael Porter.  Actually Porter is another one of those guys, as a kid, I was in awe of because he could jump 50 inches high.   

  James Scott was a good player also, who probably should have seen the court more.  I don't quite recall what happened with him. I think Felipe ranks in the 8-10 range for me.  I give extra credit to guys that are here for more than two years also. I think that means something.

 Mullin
Berry
Jackson
mel Davis
David Russell
Sealy
George Johnson
Hatten
Artest
Felipe

  ^  no particular order..  close-  Bootsy, Barkley, Postell, Leroy Ellis.....

" All of this is true.  Felipe was still a better basketball player than Willie Glass. Willie had no outside shot and if you're only 6'3", that's a problem.  I grew up with that team ( I'm 39 now) so those guys always seemed larger than life at the time.  Willie could dunk.  So could Harold Miner, and Michael Porter.  Actually Porter is another one of those guys, as a kid, I was in awe of because he could jump 50 inches high.   

  James Scott was a good player also, who probably should have seen the court more.  I don't quite recall what happened with him. I think Felipe ranks in the 8-10 range for me.  I give extra credit to guys that are here for more than two years also. I think that means something.

 Mullin
Berry
Jackson
mel Davis
David Russell
Sealy
George Johnson
Hatten
Artest
Felipe

  ^  no particular order..  close-  Bootsy, Barkley, Postell, Leroy Ellis....."
Quote from guy who I generally have agreed with up until this post



I am 40 so we have same perspective, which is why I can justifiably call you a traitor to those teams. How could anyone in our age bracket take Lopez over Glass?

As far as those other guys, how could you comment on George Johnson since youwere 2 or 3 when he played or Ellis with whom you weren't even a thought yet in your parent's head?

And if you were to include those guys how could you leave off Mcguire, Loughery, Paultz and Schaefer?

 I was conflicted about adding guys I never saw play, for sure.  It's hard though. Would you leave Bill Russell or Wilt off of your all time NBA team?   I figured I need to have some old school representation.  That's why I added a few guys on the bottom. 

 As far as the traitor stuff goes, I was just as big of a fan during the Felipe years as I was during the Mullin years.  However, I knew quite a bit more about the game as I got older. A guy was no longer my favorite player because he could leap over a mini-bus.  Shit, I thought Chucky Sprolling was going to be the greatest scorer in school history!  Did you know he scored 81 points in a high school game?  ( How many times did we hear that? )

 I was trying to be objective.  Wennington probably deserves to be on my list as well.  4 year player, battled Ewing all those years, and won multiple NBA championships....not that it should matter when discussing college years.   I think the 84-86 years are well represented in my top 10..  Being objective though, Willie couldn't hold Felipe's jock...

  Before Mullin, I think my favorite player was Kevin Williams.  First game my Dad ever took me to was against Georgetown.

 I could swear that I saw Kevin Williams dunk the ball on Ewing while simultaneously punching him in the face.  Then there was a bit of a melee afterwards and they were ejected.  Awesome stuff.   Did it really happen that way?  I'm not sure. My point, you may ask?  Sometimes what you see as an impressionable youngin isn't really accurate. For Example, Willie Glass being a great ball player.

Here is my list:
1 TIE-MULBERRY
2 Jackson
3 Artest
4 Sealy
5 Russell
6 Hatten
7 Hardy
8 Boo
9 Postell
10 Bootsy
11 Barkley
12 J Williams
13 Glass
14 Shelton Jones
15 Goodwin
16 Cain
17 Wright
18 Derek Brown
19 Felipe Lopez
1,796 Eugene Lawrence

"Before Mullin, I think my favorite player was Kevin Williams.  First game my Dad ever took me to was against Georgetown.

 I could swear that I saw Kevin Williams dunk the ball on Ewing while simultaneously punching him in the face.  Then there was a bit of a melee afterwards and they were ejected.  Awesome stuff.   Did it really happen that way?  I'm not sure. My point, you may ask?  Sometimes what you see as an impressionable youngin isn't really accurate. For Example, Willie Glass being a great ball player."

Quote from someone who never had the misfortune of meeting Kevin Williams

I have mentioned this before but he was a jerk. I sort of remember him fighting Ewing but if my 10 year old or so at the time memory is correct he faired poorly. Fun would probably remember. I was the ballboy on the Staten Island Stallions USBL team on which Kevin Williams played. Team had 5 guys go onto the pros including Hot Rod Williams and Williams averaged like 30. He was also an angry dude. Billy Goodwin sat the bench for another team and was one of the nicest guys I met that year.

Here is my list:
1 TIE-MULBERRY
2 Jackson
3 Artest
4 Sealy
5 Russell
6 Hatten
7 Hardy
8 Boo
9 Postell
10 Bootsy
11 Barkley
12 J Williams
13 Glass
14 Shelton Jones
15 Goodwin
16 Cain
17 Wright
18 Derek Brown
19 Felipe Lopez
1,796 Eugene Lawrence

Is this a list of our favorite players or the best we've seen?   because even if you're a hater, I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that David Cain and Derek Brown were better than Felipe.   

I have mentioned this before but he was a jerk. I sort of remember him fighting Ewing but if my 10 year old or so at the time memory is correct he faired poorly. Fun would probably remember. I was the ballboy on the Staten Island Stallions USBL team on which Kevin Williams played. Team had 5 guys go onto the pros including Hot Rod Williams and Williams averaged like 30. He was also an angry dude. Billy Goodwin sat the bench for another team and was one of the nicest guys I met that year.

I recall Kevin Williams taking a swing at Ewing in one of the G'town games and afterwards saying something like 'I see people get shot in my neighborhood every day, I'm not a-scared of that big dope.'

PS I can't see W Glass > B Goodwin or or S Jones. Glass was extremely limited in what he could do and had the good fortune to do it on some of the better SJ teams ever. Take Felipe and put him on the MulBerry team; take Glass and stick him with Fred Lyson and Paul Berwanger and whatever other mutts Lopez played with. Their fotunes would be reversed.

The second half of the list was mostly in jest and contained my favorites.

As far as Glass vs Lopez, I just value playing on winning teams. Was Lopez a better basketball player than Glass? Obviously. As far as both their impacts as basketball players while they were here my argument is Glass had more of an impact IMO. He wasn't just a token player he was a starter on good teams.

Here is my list:
1 TIE-MULBERRY
2 Jackson
3 Artest
4 Sealy
5 Russell
6 Hatten
7 Hardy
8 Boo
9 Postell
10 Bootsy
11 Barkley
12 J Williams
13 Glass
14 Shelton Jones
15 Goodwin
16 Cain
17 Wright
18 Derek Brown
19 Felipe Lopez
1,796 Eugene Lawrence

Think you have Gino a few thousand spots too high.

"PS I can't see W Glass > B Goodwin or or S Jones. Glass was extremely limited in what he could do and had the good fortune to do it on some of the better SJ teams ever. Take Felipe and put him on the MulBerry team; take Glass and stick him with Fred Lyson and Paul Berwanger and whatever other mutts Lopez played with. Their fotunes would be reversed."
Quote from MR BEB

Since this is all hypothetical anyway, what would have happened if you switched Mullin and Lopez? Glass and Postell?

Also, if you just look at their college careers... I'd put Malik above Artest.    Maybe Ron Ron would've surpassed him if he was here 4 years, but he wasn't. 
Sealy was the better college player.   

"Felipe > Willie Glass every day of the week and twice on Sundays." Quote from guy who said USF would  get tired and we would win in game USF won going away.

Glass played in roughly 10 NCAA tourney games, was best dunker in school history, once dunked on Ralph Dalton's head, punked out Reggie Williams and had a cool haircut.
Lopez played in one more NCAA tourney game than I did and never did any of those other cool things.

Willie was a finisher who had the single-season-NCAA-assists-record-holder setting him up who would later become NBA ROY, an AStar and have more dimes than Magic in the League.

And Felipe had Mo Brown.

Next.

"PS I can't see W Glass > B Goodwin or or S Jones. Glass was extremely limited in what he could do and had the good fortune to do it on some of the better SJ teams ever. Take Felipe and put him on the MulBerry team; take Glass and stick him with Fred Lyson and Paul Berwanger and whatever other mutts Lopez played with. Their fotunes would be reversed."
Quote from MR BEB

Since this is all hypothetical anyway, what would have happened if you switched Mullin and Lopez? Glass and Postell?

Mullin / Z Hamilton would have killed it. Would it be Lopez Berry Jackson? They don't miss a step. Glass 4 Postell is probably a wash although LP is clearly the better player.

"Mullin / Z Hamilton would have killed it. Would it be Lopez Berry Jackson? They don't miss a step. Glass 4 Postell is probably a wash although LP is clearly the better player. "-Quote from the man with 1,000 signons

You think Lopez replaces Mullin and they still go to final four? Remember Jackson was relegated to 6th man due to reasons only Louie and yourself have fully understood.

I agree with Postell / Glass and MO making Hamilton better.

How could anyone in our age bracket take Lopez over Glass?

Nothing against Willie.  I like the man and his play.  He was at the SC game.

But he was a role player and Felipe was the best player on the team.  There's no comparision.

Lopez was a gazelle and positively scintillating in the open court and on the break.

Quote from: we are sju on December 05, 2012, 01:41:38 PM

How could anyone in our age bracket take Lopez over Glass?

Nothing against Willie.  I like the man and his play.  He was at the SC game.

But he was a role player and Felipe was the best player on the team.  There's no comparision.

Lopez was a gazelle and positively scintillating in the open court and on the break.

Lopez was the best player on the team for his freshman season. As a senior, that is debatable, because Ron Artest was on that team, and even as a freshman Ron Ron was great.

"Nothing against Willie.  I like the man and his play.  He was at the SC game.

But he was a role player and Felipe was the best player on the team.  There's no comparision.

Lopez was a gazelle and positively scintillating in the open court and on the break. "
Quote by a guy who did body shots with Marco Baldi and Dave



Mase jr was the best player on his team, was he better than Glass or Shelton Jones?

Again I am only being half serious about  Glass vs Lopez, but I do not rank guys that high who were on terrible teams

"Nothing against Willie.  I like the man and his play.  He was at the SC game.

But he was a role player and Felipe was the best player on the team.  There's no comparision.

Lopez was a gazelle and positively scintillating in the open court and on the break. "
Quote by a guy who did body shots with Marco Baldi and Dave



Mase jr was the best player on his team, was he better than Glass or Shelton Jones?

Again I am only being half serious about  Glass vs Lopez, but I do not rank guys that high who were on terrible teams

I refuse to respond due to your misuse of the quote function.