Re-Introduction to Jamal Branch

A few videos posted over on redmen by MCN show glimpses of what I hope Jamal can bring. A point guard who can dictate the flow and tempo of the game  Pass the ball. And hit an open jumper. Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

LMAO!!!

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

10 and 6 is also Quinn Cook a sophomore who didn't play much last year for Duke.  Peyton Siva is tough example.  As for the rest of your post its dead on.  By my count right now Harrison, Jones, and Marco all need to get out per our fans because Harrison is a nutjob and Jones and Marco sulk.

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

10 and 6 is also Quinn Cook a sophomore who didn't play much last year for Duke.  Peyton Siva is tough example.  As for the rest of your post its dead on.  By my count right now Harrison, Jones, and Marco all need to get out per our fans because Harrison is a nutjob and Jones and Marco sulk.

+1

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

Yea im sure those big east coaches pictured him tearing it up to the tune of 11 and 6 while being out played by his backcourt mate. So foad tell me do you really think 10 and 6 is super super duper impressive and completely unreasonable?

Our buddy Cody Doolin averages 11 and 7.  Of course if you take out our game his assists drop to 5.8

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

10 and 6 is also Quinn Cook a sophomore who didn't play much last year for Duke.  Peyton Siva is tough example.  As for the rest of your post its dead on.  By my count right now Harrison, Jones, and Marco all need to get out per our fans because Harrison is a nutjob and Jones and Marco sulk.

Quinn Cook is averaging 6 assists a game on an undefeated DoOk team with five starters averaging in double figures. SJU doesn't have the same number of targets.

The larger point is that the SJ fan base has ridiculous expectations for its players. Jones and Peppy Le Pew are half a dozen games into their college careers. I expect them to stink and they do and so am not disappointed. Whereas when someone like Sampson comes in and excels immediately I'm excited and surprised. Generally I don't start lip reading and analyzing body language until the players are juniors.

Re Harrison, I rewound the exchange a couple of times. At first I thought he was jabbing Lavin in the chest and thought his behavior appalling. But considering what had just transpired on the court and the great and powerful lack of reaction I concluded that Harrison was pointing not at Lavin but down the court toward the place where he had just been mugged. Lavin's chest was just in the way. It's impossible to believe that Harrison was standing there yelling at Lavin and poking him in the chest and Lavin just stood there taking it.

Agree with the last few posts. My hopes for branch aren't in terms of numbers it is rather that the half court offense runs more smoothly with him playing. My hope is that he can be a true pg in that he makes the other guys on the team play better. If branch can let harrison play off the ball and get easier shots; get Marco and others open looks from distance; get jakarr and chris the ball in good position on the blocks; that is how I will determine branch's success as this teams point.

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

Yea im sure those big east coaches pictured him tearing it up to the tune of 11 and 6 while being out played by his backcourt mate. So foad tell me do you really think 10 and 6 is super super duper impressive and completely unreasonable?

Jonny Flynn played two years and averaged 15 points and 6 assists on the way to becoming the sixth pick in the NBA draft. So yeah, I think it's unreasonable that you'd be satisfied if someone you never saw play came out of the gate averaging a couple of points less than that.

Quote from: Moose on December 10, 2012, 09:41:29 AM

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

10 and 6 is also Quinn Cook a sophomore who didn't play much last year for Duke.  Peyton Siva is tough example.  As for the rest of your post its dead on.  By my count right now Harrison, Jones, and Marco all need to get out per our fans because Harrison is a nutjob and Jones and Marco sulk.

Quinn Cook is averaging 6 assists a game on an undefeated DoOk team with five starters averaging in double figures. SJU doesn't have the same number of targets.

The larger point is that the SJ fan base has ridiculous expectations for its players. Jones and Peppy Le Pew are half a dozen games into their college careers. I expect them to stink and they do and so am not disappointed. Whereas when someone like Sampson comes in and excels immediately I'm excited and surprised. Generally I don't start lip reading and analyzing body language until the players are juniors.

Re Harrison, I rewound the exchange a couple of times. At first I thought he was jabbing Lavin in the chest and thought his behavior appalling. But considering what had just transpired on the court and the great and powerful lack of reaction I concluded that Harrison was pointing not at Lavin but down the court toward the place where he had just been mugged. Lavin's chest was just in the way. It's impossible to believe that Harrison was standing there yelling at Lavin and poking him in the chest and Lavin just stood there taking it.

I agree re: Jones, Marco and Harrison.

As for Branch I'd like to see 8ppg, 4.5 apg.  Lets hope since my predictions on Obekpa's #'s were so accurate these are as well (Marillac patting on the back moment)

I don't care about numbers, I just want a guard to take care of the offense and get everyone involved by creating open looks on the perimeter. We have not had that in who knows how long. Even with the 2010 team, it really wasn't part of the offense. We also need Branch to harass the opposing playmaker to avoid the defensive errors in the interior with the man to man. 

I don't care about numbers, I just want a guard to take care of the offense and get everyone involved by creating open looks on the perimeter. We have not had that in who knows how long. Even with the 2010 team, it really wasn't part of the offense. We also need Branch to harass the opposing playmaker to avoid the defensive errors in the interior with the man to man. 

I still say a guy like Malik Boothe would kill it with this team.  Sr year he averaged 4 ppg, 3 apg

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 10:06:15 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 10, 2012, 09:41:29 AM

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

10 and 6 is also Quinn Cook a sophomore who didn't play much last year for Duke.  Peyton Siva is tough example.  As for the rest of your post its dead on.  By my count right now Harrison, Jones, and Marco all need to get out per our fans because Harrison is a nutjob and Jones and Marco sulk.

Quinn Cook is averaging 6 assists a game on an undefeated DoOk team with five starters averaging in double figures. SJU doesn't have the same number of targets.

The larger point is that the SJ fan base has ridiculous expectations for its players. Jones and Peppy Le Pew are half a dozen games into their college careers. I expect them to stink and they do and so am not disappointed. Whereas when someone like Sampson comes in and excels immediately I'm excited and surprised. Generally I don't start lip reading and analyzing body language until the players are juniors.

Re Harrison, I rewound the exchange a couple of times. At first I thought he was jabbing Lavin in the chest and thought his behavior appalling. But considering what had just transpired on the court and the great and powerful lack of reaction I concluded that Harrison was pointing not at Lavin but down the court toward the place where he had just been mugged. Lavin's chest was just in the way. It's impossible to believe that Harrison was standing there yelling at Lavin and poking him in the chest and Lavin just stood there taking it.

I agree re: Jones, Marco and Harrison.

As for Branch I'd like to see 8ppg, 4.5 apg.  Lets hope since my predictions on Obekpa's #'s were so accurate these are as well (Marillac patting on the back moment)

Agree Moose.  More reasonable numbers.  I think Branch is going to be a bit "boring" for the SJU fan base as I don't think he's the explosive player people are expecting.   That said, we don't need that from him.  We need a good on-ball defender and a guy who can pass and get the ball to the right spots on the floor.  We really have guards right now that lack vision.  I love Phil Greene but I agree he does have difficulty seeing the entire offense once he is initiating or driving to the hoop.   11/6 would be fantastic but I think tough to achieve. If Branch gives us that much, we will be very good.

I like Greene playing the Starks, Jr Smith role coming off the bench. I think if Branch can play you could get away with closing games with the three guards along with Sampson & Obepka

Quote from: Moose on December 10, 2012, 09:41:29 AM

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

10 and 6 is also Quinn Cook a sophomore who didn't play much last year for Duke.  Peyton Siva is tough example.  As for the rest of your post its dead on.  By my count right now Harrison, Jones, and Marco all need to get out per our fans because Harrison is a nutjob and Jones and Marco sulk.

Quinn Cook is averaging 6 assists a game on an undefeated DoOk team with five starters averaging in double figures. SJU doesn't have the same number of targets.

The larger point is that the SJ fan base has ridiculous expectations for its players. Jones and Peppy Le Pew are half a dozen games into their college careers. I expect them to stink and they do and so am not disappointed. Whereas when someone like Sampson comes in and excels immediately I'm excited and surprised. Generally I don't start lip reading and analyzing body language until the players are juniors.

Re Harrison, I rewound the exchange a couple of times. At first I thought he was jabbing Lavin in the chest and thought his behavior appalling. But considering what had just transpired on the court and the great and powerful lack of reaction I concluded that Harrison was pointing not at Lavin but down the court toward the place where he had just been mugged. Lavin's chest was just in the way. It's impossible to believe that Harrison was standing there yelling at Lavin and poking him in the chest and Lavin just stood there taking it.

I agree with you regarding unreasonable expectations for new players, but my problem with Jones is his lack of effort.  He has skill, a college ready body, and he is coming off a fifth year at prep.  He doesn't look like he's even trying to rebound the basketball.

I think Laven should have redshirted Jones, not Gift. We could use Gift this year and he could be replaced w another JUCO. W Jones,  he was so far under the radar , why should we expect him to be big contributer this year.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 10, 2012, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

Yea im sure those big east coaches pictured him tearing it up to the tune of 11 and 6 while being out played by his backcourt mate. So foad tell me do you really think 10 and 6 is super super duper impressive and completely unreasonable?

Jonny Flynn played two years and averaged 15 points and 6 assists on the way to becoming the sixth pick in the NBA draft. So yeah, I think it's unreasonable that you'd be satisfied if someone you never saw play came out of the gate averaging a couple of points less than that.

Yea cause we all know averaging 15 pts and averaging 10 are pretty much the same, right? And me saying I would LOVE (notice the capitals) 10 and 6 means that I would be satisfied with him? No, it means I would be ecstatic.

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 10:09:22 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 10, 2012, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: Foad on December 10, 2012, 08:21:55 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on December 09, 2012, 11:56:41 PM

Id LOVE a steady 10 pt 6 ast season. I do think he will be more of a scorer than some might think.

Peyton Siva is averaging 11 points and 6 assists a game this year. He's a senior on the 5th ranked team in the country and was voted preseason Player of the Year by the BE coaches. So yeah, 10 and 6 would be the balls. being something of a pessimist I don't know that I'd count on Branch to equal the statistics of the BE POTY coming right off the shelf vs St Francis but if he's not playing at that level by say the last week in December I'm definitely going to start dissecting his body language during time outs because I think he might be considering a transfer.

Yea im sure those big east coaches pictured him tearing it up to the tune of 11 and 6 while being out played by his backcourt mate. So foad tell me do you really think 10 and 6 is super super duper impressive and completely unreasonable?

Jonny Flynn played two years and averaged 15 points and 6 assists on the way to becoming the sixth pick in the NBA draft. So yeah, I think it's unreasonable that you'd be satisfied if someone you never saw play came out of the gate averaging a couple of points less than that.

Yea cause we all know averaging 15 pts and averaging 10 are pretty much the same, right?

Pretty much, yeah. It's a difference of two made baskets in 40 minutes. It's insignificant.

Ten points and 6 assists is a minimum of 22 points generated. Harrison, by far the best player on SJ,  averages 20 points and 2 assists, that's ~ 24 points. If all you're saying is that is Branch generates as many points as the best player on the team that would make you feel happy then I'm sorry to have disturbed you. If that's what you're expect or foresee I think you're delusional.   

I think Laven should have redshirted Jones, not Gift. We could use Gift this year and he could be replaced w another JUCO. W Jones,  he was so far under the radar , why should we expect him to be big contributer this year.

My thought is Lavin Red Shirted Gift soGift could finish up his degree and work at his Masters next year.