What is the real reason that Gods Gift is redshirting?

I have heard many different reasons why Gift is being red shirted, from.....

1.  Due to Sanchez's playing time, if and when he is able to play.
2.  The need for a big man in next years class
3.  Cause he (Gift) wants an extra year to attend grad school.
4.  Coach Lavin is not confident in signing any recruits at his position so we will need him for next year?

 But what's the real story?   We are playing poorly, game after game with our rebounding and interior defense being our most obvious weakness. I would like to see Lavin make a statement as to the real reason, whatever it is, as to why GG is not playing at this point.  I, as are many other fans , am mystified by this whole scenario.

I have heard many different reasons why Gift is being red shirted, from.....

1.  Due to Sanchez's playing time, if and when he is able to play.
2.  The need for a big man in next years class
3.  Cause he (Gift) wants an extra year to attend grad school.
4.  Coach Lavin is not confident in signing any recruits at his position so we will need him for next year?

 But what's the real story?   We are playing poorly, game after game with our rebounding and interior defense being our most obvious weakness. I would like to see Lavin make a statement as to the real reason, whatever it is, as to why GG is not playing at this point.  I, as are many other fans , am mystified by this whole scenario.

I think it's very odd as well. Because to be honest, he's not that good. You'd think Lavin would want that ship open to sign another recruit.

It's also strange because although Gift isn't great, he would really be helping this team right now on the boards.

The only thing I can think of is maybe Lavin thinks he can develop into a solid BE player and believes he needs another year to do so, therefore does not want him to waste his last year of eligibility right now.

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on December 31, 2012, 05:33:42 PM

I have heard many different reasons why Gift is being red shirted, from.....

1.  Due to Sanchez's playing time, if and when he is able to play.
2.  The need for a big man in next years class
3.  Cause he (Gift) wants an extra year to attend grad school.
4.  Coach Lavin is not confident in signing any recruits at his position so we will need him for next year?

 But what's the real story?   We are playing poorly, game after game with our rebounding and interior defense being our most obvious weakness. I would like to see Lavin make a statement as to the real reason, whatever it is, as to why GG is not playing at this point.  I, as are many other fans , am mystified by this whole scenario.

I think it's very odd as well. Because to be honest, he's not that good. You'd think Lavin would want that ship open to sign another recruit.

It's also strange because although Gift isn't great, he would really be helping this team right now on the boards.

The only thing I can think of is maybe Lavin thinks he can develop into a solid BE player and believes he needs another year to do so, therefore does not want him to waste his last year of eligibility right now.

Have to agree with you on the open ship part.  If he is not that good to compete at this level, why would Lavin want to extend his stay? That's why I believe that Lavin owes some sort of explanation to the fans, media and followers of the program.

Because him and Sanchez would both be graduating this year and there weren't many legit options on the table for the class of '13.  So instead of losing both up front you return Gift.  Gift with an extra year to learn the game remember that he hasn't played for long.  Plus he's a great student.  A Masters I'm sure is something he would like. 

Is he sacrificing something now?  Yes.  If Sanchez was playing this would be a non topic.

It is not odd- just plain old stupid - we need a forward this year -

The only way it isn't a dramatic mistake is if Sanchez suits up Wednesday.
We need one or the other. In addition, we need to take the people at St.John's who are
responsible for 5 players having eligibility issues and make sure they never set foot on campus ever again.

The only way it isn't a dramatic mistake is if Sanchez suits up Wednesday.
We need one or the other. In addition, we need to take the people at St.John's who are
responsible for 5 players having eligibility issues and make sure they never set foot on campus ever again.

Gulag?

To baby sit CO for a second year!

Quote from: redstorm212 on December 31, 2012, 05:41:56 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on December 31, 2012, 05:33:42 PM

I have heard many different reasons why Gift is being red shirted, from.....

1.  Due to Sanchez's playing time, if and when he is able to play.
2.  The need for a big man in next years class
3.  Cause he (Gift) wants an extra year to attend grad school.
4.  Coach Lavin is not confident in signing any recruits at his position so we will need him for next year?

 But what's the real story?   We are playing poorly, game after game with our rebounding and interior defense being our most obvious weakness. I would like to see Lavin make a statement as to the real reason, whatever it is, as to why GG is not playing at this point.  I, as are many other fans , am mystified by this whole scenario.

I think it's very odd as well. Because to be honest, he's not that good. You'd think Lavin would want that ship open to sign another recruit.

It's also strange because although Gift isn't great, he would really be helping this team right now on the boards.

The only thing I can think of is maybe Lavin thinks he can develop into a solid BE player and believes he needs another year to do so, therefore does not want him to waste his last year of eligibility right now.

Have to agree with you on the open ship part.  If he is not that good to compete at this level, why would Lavin want to extend his stay? That's why I believe that Lavin owes some sort of explanation to the fans, media and followers of the program.

You Linda can think whatever you want about Coach Steve's moves. You thinking he owes you an explanation I think is a bit over the top.

GG redshirting happened because we anticipated Sanchez playing.  But since we don't know when that will happen, if ever, GG needs to play.  He won't be a star but I think he'll be better than last year when he was our only big and with our thin roster and we couldn't afford him to get into foul trouble.

GG was eager to redshirt because it would enable him to pursue a Master's degree at SJU.  If the team needs him to play, he'll play.  He doesn't need the redshirt to pursue his Master's, which he'll begin in less than a month when school reopens.  He could get a scholarship on his own based on academic merit.

GG wouldn't have played much this year.  Dunlap played Amir Garrett over him with like a week of practices and out of position.   That should tell us a lot.  I think Coach resdshirted GG because: (1) He didn't want to be caught empty handed next year if we lost a few of the bigs; (2) he thought he had more than he does with Christian Jones; and (3) we will be much better next year and it would be awful to not advance because of  a lack of front court depth. 

Coach could have been left with Jones and one of Obekpa and Sampson next year.  That is a pretty scarey situation.

GG wouldn't have played much this year.  Dunlap played Amir Garrett over him with like a week of practices and out of position.   That should tell us a lot.  I think Coach resdshirted GG because: (1) He didn't want to be caught empty handed next year if we lost a few of the bigs; (2) he thought he had more than he does with Christian Jones; and (3) we will be much better next year and it would be awful to not advance because of  a lack of front court depth. 

Coach could have been left with Jones and one of Obekpa and Sampson next year.  That is a pretty scarey situation.

Since it's HIS job on the line, perhaps you should just accept that there's probably a pretty good reason, which - wow - he hasn't deigned to reveal to an internet poster.

Another question.... Has Linda EVER started a thread that had a POSITIVE subject line?

Quote from: Marillac on December 31, 2012, 09:56:27 PM

GG wouldn't have played much this year.  Dunlap played Amir Garrett over him with like a week of practices and out of position.   That should tell us a lot.  I think Coach resdshirted GG because: (1) He didn't want to be caught empty handed next year if we lost a few of the bigs; (2) he thought he had more than he does with Christian Jones; and (3) we will be much better next year and it would be awful to not advance because of  a lack of front court depth. 

Coach could ha
ve been left with Jones and one of Obekpa and Sampson next year.  That is a pretty scarey situation.

Since it's HIS job on the line, perhaps you should just accept that there's probably a pretty good reason, which - wow - he hasn't deigned to reveal to an internet poster.

Another question.... Has Linda EVER started a thread that had a POSITIVE subject line?

If you read my post re. other locals being rated over us, you will note that I stated that when we play those teams we would change the rankings.  And why would you call this a negative post?  It's only negative if you perceive that Lavin is doing something under handed.  I am just asking for an explanation for a move that most of the true fans of the program feel, under the circumstances of our team's recent performance, is a bit unusual to say the least.  Some of the posts that I read seem to give some possible motives behind the move.

Look, it is quite obvious that you are a Lavin " homer" which is great as long as it does not conflict with what's good for the program.  I myself am very happy as to what coach Lavin has done in recruiting circles, but anyone who follows the team, has to wonder why the decision to red shirt GG continues at this point.

I thought there had to be some sort of documentation to justify a redshirt.  Just holding guys out to allow them to hone their skills and mature doesn't strike me as a legit tactic.  Somewhere there has to be a story on GG and that should be public info.  Then there's always the real reason.  I personally find it hard to believe Steve Lavin can't recruit a big at least as good by next year. Maybe GG will leave on his own steam and use the no wait Masters rule and play somewhere else while he finishes up his Ed.

Cause he know that this team can only go so far cause of it's inexperience.
But next year damage can be done.

I thought there had to be some sort of documentation to justify a redshirt.  Just holding guys out to allow them to hone their skills and mature doesn't strike me as a legit tactic.  Somewhere there has to be a story on GG and that should be public info.  Then there's always the real reason.  I personally find it hard to believe Steve Lavin can't recruit a big at least as good by next year. Maybe GG will leave on his own steam and use the no wait Masters rule and play somewhere else while he finishes up his Ed.

You have a stupid conspiracy theory for everything else, so let's hear your "thoughts" on the matter.

And guys redshirt all the time for a multitude of reasons. Even if a coach didn't have the right to redshirt someone for whatever reason he pleased, would the NCAA really crack down on a kid trying to put education over basketball? How much documentation do you really think is needed for something like "I wanted to concentrate on my studies"? That's all GGA would have to say, regardless of whether you or anyone else believed it to be a lie.

You guys don't think we can find another player like gift next year? He Is a backup forward. We could use him this year. Lavin should be able to replace him without breaking a sweat. That is why this is so mind boggling

Quote from: Poison on December 31, 2012, 06:26:55 PM

The only way it isn't a dramatic mistake is if Sanchez suits up Wednesday.
We need one or the other. In addition, we need to take the people at St.John's who are
responsible for 5 players having eligibility issues and make sure they never set foot on campus ever again.

Gulag?

I would send them to the Staten Island campus. That is a punishment far worse than death.

My two cents, I think Lavin felt initially that he had enough depth with Sanchez. It's telling that they decided to red shirt gift that Sanchez was only going to be here one year. In addition, we weren't in the mix for any bigs in the 2013 class.

With that said, the strategy is backfiring at the moment without both. However at this point, is it worth it to burn Gift's year with only 60% of the season left.

Let's hope the NCAA answers our prayers and rules Orlando eligible. It is somewhat promising that he did in fact leave the DR to return back to school after the break. I had felt that he may leave school if he wasn't eligible by second semester. This may be the case anyway.

I agree with LJSA, no way the NCAA tells Gift no on redshirt if he wishes to put the books before basketball this season even if that isn't the real reason.   

My two cents, I think Lavin felt initially that he had enough depth with Sanchez. It's telling that they decided to red shirt gift that Sanchez was only going to be here one year. In addition, we weren't in the mix for any bigs in the 2013 class.

With that said, the strategy is backfiring at the moment without both. However at this point, is it worth it to burn Gift's year with only 60% of the season left.

Let's hope the NCAA answers our prayers and rules Orlando eligible. It is somewhat promising that he did in fact leave the DR to return back to school after the break. I had felt that he may leave school if he wasn't eligible by second semester. This may be the case anyway.

I agree with LJSA, no way the NCAA tells Gift no on redshirt if he wishes to put the books before basketball this season even if that isn't the real reason.   

The athletics dept might have more knowledge of this. Makes sense to wait until everyone pays for their tickets before letting us know how careless they were in throwing away our season. Again.