Obekpa NBA Skill Needs

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Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« on: February 07, 2013, 04:07:31 PM »
"Despite his shortcomings, Chris Obekpa is the biggest reason St John's leads the nation in shot blocking and has been one of the keys factors to their success in Big East play. He has one clearly defined NBA skill and plenty of upside, but his improvement in other areas over the coming seasons will be crucial to his career trajectory. With rumblings that he could be considering declaring for the 2013 draft, the question becomes what environment his development will be fostered in, and whether a team would be patient enough to wait a couple of years and see if the other parts of his game can be developed enough to allow him to see playing time in a NBA game."

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 08:26:58 PM »
He's 6'7.5" and is more raw than some other big men drafted on potential lately who completely flopped. He needs to ignore these supposed rumblings and refine his game.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2013, 08:49:41 PM »
He's 6'7.5" and is more raw than some other big men drafted on potential lately who completely flopped. He needs to ignore these supposed rumblings and refine his game.

The "rumblings" they are talking about are probably message board speculation.  Obekpa is nowhere near ready for any pro leagues and nobody will draft him because he's unsized for his position and can't throw the basketbsll in the ocean just yet.  He has entry of time to work on his offensive game here at SJU. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2013, 09:06:55 PM »
He's a 4 year player. That is the end of it. These Draft boards are disgusting. All of them should go F themselves.

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Re: Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2013, 09:13:59 PM »
 It's amazing how much taller he seems when you watch him play. Feels like you're watching a 6'10 or 11' kid.  He has a gift.

Re: Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2013, 09:20:46 PM »
if guys like CO Dlo and to a lesser extend Karr are leaving college at this level of their development than college hoops may as well back it in. It will be glorified HS ball. Even Jay Bilas has decried the level of play in college ball these days and he earns his living in this arena.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2013, 10:24:50 PM »
if guys like CO Dlo and to a lesser extend Karr are leaving college at this level of their development than college hoops may as well back it in. It will be glorified HS ball. Even Jay Bilas has decried the level of play in college ball these days and he earns his living in this arena.

It's called the NBDL.  There are 25 kids there from last years draft that should still be in college.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 10:44:01 PM »
If he leaves after this season I doubt he even reaches Bo Outlaw-level NBAer. Which of course is still great in terms of career length (and earnings if you don't buy airplanes and mounds of cocaine). But if he stays three or four years and learns to rebound, he'll find teams that will pay him $10-plus million a year. Seems like a no-brainer to me.


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Re: Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2013, 10:46:08 PM »
He's 6'7.5" and is more raw than some other big men drafted on potential lately who completely flopped. He needs to ignore these supposed rumblings and refine his game.

The "rumblings" they are talking about are probably message board speculation.  Obekpa is nowhere near ready for any pro leagues and nobody will draft him because he's unsized for his position and can't throw the basketbsll in the ocean just yet.  He has entry of time to work on his offensive game here at SJU.

It's not message board rumblings.  Lavin made a recent comment about it when he stated that the school is lucky to have him for as long as he stays.  I hear he's a great kid with good support.  I think by the end of the season he decides to return and refine his game under this staff.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 11:24:19 PM »
He's 6'7.5" and is more raw than some other big men drafted on potential lately who completely flopped. He needs to ignore these supposed rumblings and refine his game.

The "rumblings" they are talking about are probably message board speculation.  Obekpa is nowhere near ready for any pro leagues and nobody will draft him because he's unsized for his position and can't throw the basketbsll in the ocean just yet.  He has entry of time to work on his offensive game here at SJU.

It's not message board rumblings.  Lavin made a recent comment about it when he stated that the school is lucky to have him for as long as he stays.  I hear he's a great kid with good support.  I think by the end of the season he decides to return and refine his game under this staff.

Obekpa will be a pro some day.  He has zero offensive game right now and really isn't draftable at this point for several reasons.  He'd be nuts to even think about jumping despite his shotblocking prowess.  Gorgiu Dieng is a heck of a shotblocker too, but spent a few years working on his body and his game. 

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2013, 12:23:08 AM »
He's 6'7.5" and is more raw than some other big men drafted on potential lately who completely flopped. He needs to ignore these supposed rumblings and refine his game.

The "rumblings" they are talking about are probably message board speculation.  Obekpa is nowhere near ready for any pro leagues and nobody will draft him because he's unsized for his position and can't throw the basketbsll in the ocean just yet.  He has entry of time to work on his offensive game here at SJU.

It's not message board rumblings.  Lavin made a recent comment about it when he stated that the school is lucky to have him for as long as he stays.  I hear he's a great kid with good support.  I think by the end of the season he decides to return and refine his game under this staff.

Obekpa will be a pro some day.  He has zero offensive game right now and really isn't draftable at this point for several reasons.  He'd be nuts to even think about jumping despite his shotblocking prowess.  Gorgiu Dieng is a heck of a shotblocker too, but spent a few years working on his body and his game. 

He has zero offensive game, and he was basically shown the door by Uconn's stiffs. Obekpa is a promising freshman. Not a great freshman, but a promising one. The NBA is absolutely not a lock for him. If he leaves, he deserves to go undrafted.

Deing has been a man about his career. He's paid his dues, and improved each season. He is a first round pick, and he deserves it.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 12:25:15 AM by Poison »

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Re: Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2013, 01:01:18 AM »
if guys like CO Dlo and to a lesser extend Karr are leaving college at this level of their development than college hoops may as well back it in. It will be glorified HS ball. Even Jay Bilas has decried the level of play in college ball these days and he earns his living in this arena.

It's called the NBDL.  There are 25 kids there from last years draft that should still be in college.

Bingo.
I said the same thing a few weeks ago and posters told me the D league doesn't affect college basketball.   
The fact that there is a meaningful minor league in the US makes it much less of a risk to declare early.  When Omar left early it was NBA or bust.   That's not the case anymore.   


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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 07:53:53 AM »
here's an article on omar cook from 10+ years ago.  must reading for some of today's ballers:

from andy katz/espn.com

WALTHAM, Mass. -- The Celtics have left the building for the day, including last season's first-round pick Joseph Forte. If one looks closely on the Boston bench during the NBA playoffs, Forte can be seen cheering his teammates on against New Jersey. But that's as close to the action as Forte gets, not being on the active postseason roster.

Omar Cook doesn't even have those privileges. There is no TV time, or coveted exposure in the NBA. Instead, Cook spends his quality time working out with a freelance workout specialist at the Celtics practice facility in advance of the summer league, the team's fall camp and the anticipation that he will be on the court next season in Celtic green.

 
Omar Cook wound up in the NBDL this year after leaving St. John's as a freshman.

Maybe even playing ahead of Forte.

But just getting to Waltham, Mass., has been an ordeal. Cook was drafted by Orlando, traded to Denver and Dallas, then sent packing to Fayetteville, N.C. and the D League. Not exactly the itinerary Cook envisioned when he left St. John's as a freshman about this time last year. And certainly not the route a McDonald's All-American out of Christ the King High School in Queens and the NCAA's second-leading assist man in 2000-01 ever dreamed he would take to the league.

But this is Cook's reality lesson after listening to the advice of ... no one.

That's right, Cook was done in by his own warped perception of where he would go in the 2001 draft after the Chicago pre-draft camp. As the 2002 camp gets ready to begin next Wednesday, the players should look at Cook as Exhibit A when it comes to putting too much stock in one's own performance.

"On the Internet and in the newspapers it said me and (DePaul's) Steven Hunter were the best players in Chicago," Cook said. "My stock moved up so much that people were thinking of taking me as early as 10 to 14 (guaranteeing Cook in excess of $3 million over three years). So that's what basically did it for me to come out."

Hunter was indeed the surprise of the 2001 draft, going No. 15 to Orlando. Cook also was surprised, but for all the wrong reasons. Bypassed by converted point guards Forte and Jeryl Sasser, Iowa State's Jamaal Tinsley, and foreign points Raul Lopez and Tony Parker, the former toast of Madison Square Garden was finally taken by Orlando at No. 32 in the second round.

"When I was a second-round pick, I lost a lot of confidence in myself," Cook said. "I always thought I could play, but it was like I just left college where I was just a McDonald's All-American and where I was Mr. New York, and now I'm going through this?"

Cook was dealt to Denver on draft night. But that didn't work out well. He was on a team with fellow rookie point and underclassman turned second-round pick Kenny Satterfield. He was traded to Dallas before the season started and then dumped again by the Mavericks who were overloaded with talent. He spent two weeks doing absolutely nothing, saying there was "no run because everyone is overseas or playing in the NBA," before he ended up in the NBDL on Jan. 8 playing for Fayetteville. He thought his stay down South would last two weeks, but he ended up playing 35 games, averaging 12.2 points and 7.8 assists, earning the league's base salary of between $27,000-$30,000.

The Celtics then saved him a summer of guessing where his next stop might be when they signed Cook on the last day of the regular season for next season. Boston, it turns out, is a team Cook wanted and thought he would be with from the beginning of 2002.

 "I never imagined this would happen," Cook said. "I was sure I was going to be a first-round pick. I was for sure that I was going to make an impact on the NBA. I was for sure that I was going to do what it took to be one of the best players, but I had to learn the hard way. Everything I went through helped me out."

Cook, still just 20, said he has never worked harder on his game in his life -- focusing mainly on his jump shot, after shooting 36 percent at St. John's, 30.9 percent on 3s and 38 percent on both shots in the 'D' league. And with good reason. He never had to earn something as much as he does with the Celtics. The staff does see him as a legitimate backup point guard. And while they won't say it publicly, privately they are much higher on Cook than Forte as a point and, perhaps, as a teammate. (It's no secret that Forte didn't win teammates over when he once showed up in the locker room wearing a Lakers jersey.)

"This kid has a coolness for a guy his age," said Boston Celtics player personnel director Leo Papile, who was leaning toward Cook on draft night last season but was outvoted. "There is this perception out there that if you're not 29 or 30 then you're a leper, you're a bum. The draft is not the be all. You don't have to fear it as a life threatening condition if you're not a lottery pick. There are too many Ben Wallace's (undrafted free agents) running around for that. When Omar's 35-years-old, it won't matter if he was a first- or second-round pick. But whether or not he's a pro or not."

Still, it is no secret that Cook made his life harder by leaving college early when he wasn't a lock for the first round. His coaches at St. John's, especially head coach Mike Jarvis, has said that Cook should have stayed. He would have played with Marcus Hatten this past season and been an even better player because he wouldn't have felt the pressure to score as much from the point.

"I was in the street (after he got cut by Dallas) and everyone was saying to me you should have stayed in school. But you can't compare me to a Jason Williams," Cook said of the Duke point guard. "Jason Williams went to Duke and Jason Williams lived in the suburbs. Jason Williams had everything growing up -- I had nothing growing up. It was difficult for me, but if you decide to come out and you have a good reason and believe in yourself, then take everyone's advice and in the end live with the decision you make."

Cook says he had to provide for his family and even second-round money, albeit not guaranteed, had an appeal. But after the way he played in the Chicago pre-draft camp, he really didn't think about anything other than being a lottery pick, or at worse, among those players living the life of a first-round pick.

"I am the only one who made the decision, and I'm the only one that has to go through the decision I made," Cook said. "And all the advice I got was to stay in school, but I chose to come out."


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Re: Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2013, 08:19:11 AM »
here's an article on omar cook from 10+ years ago.  must reading for some of today's ballers:

from andy katz/espn.com

WALTHAM, Mass. -- The Celtics have left the building for the day, including last season's first-round pick Joseph Forte. If one looks closely on the Boston bench during the NBA playoffs, Forte can be seen cheering his teammates on against New Jersey. But that's as close to the action as Forte gets, not being on the active postseason roster.

Omar Cook doesn't even have those privileges. There is no TV time, or coveted exposure in the NBA. Instead, Cook spends his quality time working out with a freelance workout specialist at the Celtics practice facility in advance of the summer league, the team's fall camp and the anticipation that he will be on the court next season in Celtic green.

 
Omar Cook wound up in the NBDL this year after leaving St. John's as a freshman.

Maybe even playing ahead of Forte.

But just getting to Waltham, Mass., has been an ordeal. Cook was drafted by Orlando, traded to Denver and Dallas, then sent packing to Fayetteville, N.C. and the D League. Not exactly the itinerary Cook envisioned when he left St. John's as a freshman about this time last year. And certainly not the route a McDonald's All-American out of Christ the King High School in Queens and the NCAA's second-leading assist man in 2000-01 ever dreamed he would take to the league.

But this is Cook's reality lesson after listening to the advice of ... no one.

That's right, Cook was done in by his own warped perception of where he would go in the 2001 draft after the Chicago pre-draft camp. As the 2002 camp gets ready to begin next Wednesday, the players should look at Cook as Exhibit A when it comes to putting too much stock in one's own performance.

"On the Internet and in the newspapers it said me and (DePaul's) Steven Hunter were the best players in Chicago," Cook said. "My stock moved up so much that people were thinking of taking me as early as 10 to 14 (guaranteeing Cook in excess of $3 million over three years). So that's what basically did it for me to come out."

Hunter was indeed the surprise of the 2001 draft, going No. 15 to Orlando. Cook also was surprised, but for all the wrong reasons. Bypassed by converted point guards Forte and Jeryl Sasser, Iowa State's Jamaal Tinsley, and foreign points Raul Lopez and Tony Parker, the former toast of Madison Square Garden was finally taken by Orlando at No. 32 in the second round.

"When I was a second-round pick, I lost a lot of confidence in myself," Cook said. "I always thought I could play, but it was like I just left college where I was just a McDonald's All-American and where I was Mr. New York, and now I'm going through this?"

Cook was dealt to Denver on draft night. But that didn't work out well. He was on a team with fellow rookie point and underclassman turned second-round pick Kenny Satterfield. He was traded to Dallas before the season started and then dumped again by the Mavericks who were overloaded with talent. He spent two weeks doing absolutely nothing, saying there was "no run because everyone is overseas or playing in the NBA," before he ended up in the NBDL on Jan. 8 playing for Fayetteville. He thought his stay down South would last two weeks, but he ended up playing 35 games, averaging 12.2 points and 7.8 assists, earning the league's base salary of between $27,000-$30,000.

The Celtics then saved him a summer of guessing where his next stop might be when they signed Cook on the last day of the regular season for next season. Boston, it turns out, is a team Cook wanted and thought he would be with from the beginning of 2002.

 "I never imagined this would happen," Cook said. "I was sure I was going to be a first-round pick. I was for sure that I was going to make an impact on the NBA. I was for sure that I was going to do what it took to be one of the best players, but I had to learn the hard way. Everything I went through helped me out."

Cook, still just 20, said he has never worked harder on his game in his life -- focusing mainly on his jump shot, after shooting 36 percent at St. John's, 30.9 percent on 3s and 38 percent on both shots in the 'D' league. And with good reason. He never had to earn something as much as he does with the Celtics. The staff does see him as a legitimate backup point guard. And while they won't say it publicly, privately they are much higher on Cook than Forte as a point and, perhaps, as a teammate. (It's no secret that Forte didn't win teammates over when he once showed up in the locker room wearing a Lakers jersey.)

"This kid has a coolness for a guy his age," said Boston Celtics player personnel director Leo Papile, who was leaning toward Cook on draft night last season but was outvoted. "There is this perception out there that if you're not 29 or 30 then you're a leper, you're a bum. The draft is not the be all. You don't have to fear it as a life threatening condition if you're not a lottery pick. There are too many Ben Wallace's (undrafted free agents) running around for that. When Omar's 35-years-old, it won't matter if he was a first- or second-round pick. But whether or not he's a pro or not."

Still, it is no secret that Cook made his life harder by leaving college early when he wasn't a lock for the first round. His coaches at St. John's, especially head coach Mike Jarvis, has said that Cook should have stayed. He would have played with Marcus Hatten this past season and been an even better player because he wouldn't have felt the pressure to score as much from the point.

"I was in the street (after he got cut by Dallas) and everyone was saying to me you should have stayed in school. But you can't compare me to a Jason Williams," Cook said of the Duke point guard. "Jason Williams went to Duke and Jason Williams lived in the suburbs. Jason Williams had everything growing up -- I had nothing growing up. It was difficult for me, but if you decide to come out and you have a good reason and believe in yourself, then take everyone's advice and in the end live with the decision you make."

Cook says he had to provide for his family and even second-round money, albeit not guaranteed, had an appeal. But after the way he played in the Chicago pre-draft camp, he really didn't think about anything other than being a lottery pick, or at worse, among those players living the life of a first-round pick.

"I am the only one who made the decision, and I'm the only one that has to go through the decision I made," Cook said. "And all the advice I got was to stay in school, but I chose to come out."



And Cook is leagues better than anyone on our current team. And he was more refined as a player.

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Re: Obekpa NBA Skill Needs
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2013, 04:41:40 PM »
He's 6'7.5" and is more raw than some other big men drafted on potential lately who completely flopped. He needs to ignore these supposed rumblings and refine his game.

The "rumblings" they are talking about are probably message board speculation.  Obekpa is nowhere near ready for any pro leagues and nobody will draft him because he's unsized for his position and can't throw the basketbsll in the ocean just yet.  He has entry of time to work on his offensive game here at SJU.

It's not message board rumblings.  Lavin made a recent comment about it when he stated that the school is lucky to have him for as long as he stays.  I hear he's a great kid with good support.  I think by the end of the season he decides to return and refine his game under this staff.

Obekpa will be a pro some day.  He has zero offensive game right now and really isn't draftable at this point for several reasons.  He'd be nuts to even think about jumping despite his shotblocking prowess.  Gorgiu Dieng is a heck of a shotblocker too, but spent a few years working on his body and his game.

Marcus, I dont disagree with you.  I'm just pointing out that a few weeks ago the kid was talking to people about turning pro after this season.  CO should follow Dieng's path.  I'm sure he is getting good advice from the people around him.  He likes this area and seems happy on this team.  He's well grounded.  Unless he has NBA people telling him he's a high pick I doubt he'll leave.   

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 05:06:22 PM »
Poison, do you recall Cook's one season here?  He was not very impressive.  He acted like he did want to play here and led the team to a losing record.  They won big the year before him and won 20 the after he left.  He shot the ball a lot and he only made 35% of them count.  Maybe it was just a bad year.  Maybe it was Jarvis.  But maybe it really was a case of a kid on the way down from peaking at the age of 16.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 06:11:52 PM »
This thread is about 2 years too early.

To say the guy is raw for his size is an understatement at this point

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 08:19:28 PM »
This thread is about 2 years too early.

To say the guy is raw for his size is an understatement at this point

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2013, 08:20:57 PM »
Poison, do you recall Cook's one season here?  He was not very impressive.  He acted like he did want to play here and led the team to a losing record.  They won big the year before him and won 20 the after he left.  He shot the ball a lot and he only made 35% of them count.  Maybe it was just a bad year.  Maybe it was Jarvis.  But maybe it really was a case of a kid on the way down from peaking at the age of 16.

I don't agree with Poison but also with what your saying regarding Cook.  He did finish like a percentage point short of leading the country in assists.  Pretty much all those assists went to Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover.  He hated Jarvis and it showed on the court.  People complain about Harrison's on court demeanor?  Wow lets remember Omar.
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 08:39:12 PM »
Poison, do you recall Cook's one season here?  He was not very impressive.  He acted like he did want to play here and led the team to a losing record.  They won big the year before him and won 20 the after he left.  He shot the ball a lot and he only made 35% of them count.  Maybe it was just a bad year.  Maybe it was Jarvis.  But maybe it really was a case of a kid on the way down from peaking at the age of 16.

I don't agree with Poison but also with what your saying regarding Cook.  He did finish like a percentage point short of leading the country in assists.  Pretty much all those assists went to Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover.  He hated Jarvis and it showed on the court.  People complain about Harrison's on court demeanor?  Wow lets remember Omar.

I think I recall a huge game ending turnover in that big Syracuse loss in OT at the end of the season.  That season was a taste of things to come for us Johnny fans.

Harrison's on the court demeanor is fine with me.  I think he's fighting hard as hell for his team, getting hacked every time he touches the ball. 

But back on topic...CO already shoots the ball better than Omar and his passing ain't all that bad either.