The crowd at our last home game

Quote from: Moose on February 20, 2013, 11:47:53 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 20, 2013, 11:41:02 PM

What is this BS about a lack of standing ovations? You're playing USF. This is expected. Wait until your 80. See how easy it is to stand up and applaud every time we score a layup.

People keep bitching about the average age of the SJ's fan at Alumni Hall. But it is the younger generation who needs to step it up, and stand up when we are playing well. Thing is, you have to show up first before your voice will garner any respect.

As it stands now, it isn't the youth who deserve a voice at all IMO.

You know how many times I see people stand and others tell them to sit down

And that's exactlyyyy the type of archaic attitude that has destroyed the home crowd environment at St. John's games.  That and some overly politically correct administrators/security/fans that get upset over people screaming things like "you suck."

No it isn't. The crowds have been awful forever.

Crowds standing for no reason until team scores in beginning of games, etc is bush league. So is yelling things like "you suck". Standing and cheering in last few possessions of close game or when game is on the line is different and called for. There is a difference. SJU crows are in the latter category. And it is no different at a Knick game. Try standing and yelling You Suck and obstructing everyone's view  at a Knick game and 1) you will be the only one doing it and 2) someone will pour beer over your head. Close game and 4th q the crowd will get into it. Compare the mindless noisy fans in Okla City and MSG. The former are unspohisticated and happy they don't have to go back to watching corn gow. and everyone concedes the Knick fans are the most sophisticated and best around. And Jamaica used to be sold out every game, with 5 or 6 scalpers making a living outside. The fans stopped coming when Jarvis ran the program into the ground. Now we have Lavin and the fans should be back supporting the team. Last night was a step in the right direction. Not sure why. Bobbleheads were not the reason. They gave out Lavin dolls a few years ago and no crowd. And they only gave out 500 Lou dolls anyway. I just hope the fans are starting to realize we are on the move and are there for th next two games. As for the age of the fan base, it has always been doinated by alumni, not students. Always. When SJU was making the NCAA's and playing Duke in NC in the first round, there were fifty--50--students who slept outside the ticket office to buy tickets for NCAA. It has always been that way.

Crowds standing for no reason until team scores in beginning of games, etc is bush league. So is yelling things like "you suck". Standing and cheering in last few possessions of close game or when game is on the line is different and called for. There is a difference. SJU crows are in the latter category. And it is no different at a Knick game. Try standing and yelling You Suck and obstructing everyone's view  at a Knick game and 1) you will be the only one doing it and 2) someone will pour beer over your head. Close game and 4th q the crowd will get into it. Compare the mindless noisy fans in Okla City and MSG. The former are unspohisticated and happy they don't have to go back to watching corn gow. and everyone concedes the Knick fans are the most sophisticated and best around. And Jamaica used to be sold out every game, with 5 or 6 scalpers making a living outside. The fans stopped coming when Jarvis ran the program into the ground. Now we have Lavin and the fans should be back supporting the team. Last night was a step in the right direction. Not sure why. Bobbleheads were not the reason. They gave out Lavin dolls a few years ago and no crowd. And they only gave out 500 Lou dolls anyway. I just hope the fans are starting to realize we are on the move and are there for th next two games. As for the age of the fan base, it has always been doinated by alumni, not students. Always. When SJU was making the NCAA's and playing Duke in NC in the first round, there were fifty--50--students who slept outside the ticket office to buy tickets for NCAA. It has always been that way.

They gave out 500 Lou dolls?  No.  Everyone in that place got one last night was my understanding.  The first 4000 call-out was just a ploy to get people there early.  Unlike Lavin my understanding is there will not be many if any available on the website for sale after like was the case with Lavin's.

What was the reason then that the place was packed last night?  Sr night?  I think not.

As for analyzing our fan base I'm tired of that.  We are what we are.  We have passionate fans and we have those who are far from it.

The college atmosphere is much more fun (at real schools) than a pro environment.  New Yorkers are too sophisticated to stand up and cheer until the last minute of a close game?  Really?  Our seats are full of a bunch of mindless old dudes (myself included) who refuse to cheer---and get mad at others when thay do.  The students need to assert themselves and tell the old guys to go to hell.

everyone concedes the Knick fans are the most sophisticated and best around.

Yah, I remember Reggie Miller saying that about Spike Lee.

Did you mean all Knick fans like to think that Knick fans are the most sophisticated and the best all around? That's all I can figure. Like how all youse guys from Jericho and Babylon this you're cosmopolitan because you can see MOMA from your cubicles. I mean sure, I love Soon Yi as much as the next guy who wants to bang his step daughter but I never thought of her and Woody as sophisticated and I'm sure Dyan Cannon doesn't either. Perhaps we can agree to agree that everyone agrees that you personally are really sophisticated and the bestest sports fan ever and we'll let goD sort out the rest of them.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on February 20, 2013, 11:52:39 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 20, 2013, 11:47:53 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 20, 2013, 11:41:02 PM

What is this BS about a lack of standing ovations? You're playing USF. This is expected. Wait until your 80. See how easy it is to stand up and applaud every time we score a layup.

People keep bitching about the average age of the SJ's fan at Alumni Hall. But it is the younger generation who needs to step it up, and stand up when we are playing well. Thing is, you have to show up first before your voice will garner any respect.

As it stands now, it isn't the youth who deserve a voice at all IMO.

You know how many times I see people stand and others tell them to sit down

And that's exactlyyyy the type of archaic attitude that has destroyed the home crowd environment at St. John's games.  That and some overly politically correct administrators/security/fans that get upset over people screaming things like "you suck."

No it isn't. The crowds have been awful forever.

true.

other than the mid 80s, when st johns was relevant for the first time since the '50s, the crowds were quiet enough to hear someone passing wind.   

some of you point to the "lively" student section.  i was at the game with my daughter who went to hofstra.  she was surprised it was so small..and there were empty seats.  pathetic.

if not for the "80 year olds", alumni hall would be like the morgue we seniors will be inhabiting before too long. 

the students just aren't that interested.  it is what it is.  kudos for the promotion.  the school is doing a far better job than it did a few years ago.  ticket prices are high enough for the marketing people to come up with more creative "stuff" while turning a profit for the school.

The end sections are only for student season ticketholders.  There were plenty of students throughout the arena.  The end sections are often full, depending on the opponent.  I'm surprised they weren't yesterday.

The end sections are only for student season ticketholders.  There were plenty of students throughout the arena.  The end sections are often full, depending on the opponent.  I'm surprised they weren't yesterday.

Are kids on break?  Doesn't STJ usually have a pretty early Spring break?

Not on break yet

Not on break yet

Your right.  Starts Monday.

I bet we have a pretty good crowd on Sunday for Pitt.  And if we have a legit chance at the tourney when we play Marquette, I think that crowd will be even bigger.

'I never thought of Woody as sophisticated'

Woody Allen not sophisticated?  He's a brilliant and prolific director, writer, actor, standup comedian. Plus a professional clarinet player and New Orleans swing band leader. 

He's pretty darn sophisticated.

Quote from: loughlinguy on February 21, 2013, 08:19:22 AM

everyone concedes the Knick fans are the most sophisticated and best around.

Yah, I remember Reggie Miller saying that about Spike Lee.

Did you mean all Knick fans like to think that Knick fans are the most sophisticated and the best all around? That's all I can figure. Like how all youse guys from Jericho and Babylon this you're cosmopolitan because you can see MOMA from your cubicles. I mean sure, I love Soon Yi as much as the next guy who wants to bang his step daughter but I never thought of her and Woody as sophisticated and I'm sure Dyan Cannon doesn't either. Perhaps we can agree to agree that everyone agrees that you personally are really sophisticated and the bestest sports fan ever and we'll let goD sort out the rest of them.

I've never understood the arguments for and against a crowd at a sporting event being sophisticated.    Is that even desirable?

Quote from: Foad on February 21, 2013, 09:15:37 AM

'I never thought of Woody as sophisticated'

Woody Allen not sophisticated?  He's a brilliant and prolific director, writer, actor, standup comedian. Plus a professional clarinet player and New Orleans swing band leader. 

He's pretty darn sophisticated.

Lol

Quote from: Foad on February 21, 2013, 09:15:37 AM

'I never thought of Woody as sophisticated'

Woody Allen not sophisticated?  He's a brilliant and prolific director, writer, actor, standup comedian. Plus a professional clarinet player and New Orleans swing band leader. 

He's pretty darn sophisticated.

Except for the clarinet bit - and kudos for guessing the right instrument this time, winky - you just described Fatty Arbuckle. Like Fatty Woody is also a rapist, although in his case coke bottle glasses rather than glass coke bottles. You might find that sort of thing sophisticated, I do not. Or perhaps we've just discovered another word you don't know the meaning of. IAE perhaps we should just agree to disagree, or if you prefer I can slap you around a bit first.

I've never understood the arguments for and against a crowd at a sporting event being sophisticated.    Is that even desirable?

Depends on the sport I suppose. Wrestling, football, baseball: unsophisticated is fine. Chess, croquet, beach volleyball and horseracing, I definitely prefer the upper crust.

Depends on the sport I suppose. Wrestling, football, baseball: unsophisticated is fine. Chess, croquet, beach volleyball and horseracing, I definitely prefer the upper crust.

In college my inebriated friend threw a punch at a horse at the Meadowlands(trotters) because he didn't win, then challenged the jockey. We were escorted out and my friend was told never to return. I am not sure it was official or anything and I have lost touch with him since college. Anyhoo that was the most exciting race I have ever been to including Saratoga. So in short I vote unsophisticated for Horse Racing.

Depends on the sport I suppose. Wrestling, football, baseball: unsophisticated is fine. Chess, croquet, beach volleyball and horseracing, I definitely prefer the upper crust.

In college my inebriated friend threw a punch at a horse at the Meadowlands(trotters) because he didn't win, then challenged the jockey. We were escorted out and my friend was told never to return. I am not sure it was official or anything and I have lost touch with him since college. Anyhoo that was the most exciting race I have ever been to including Saratoga. So in short I vote unsophisticated for Horse Racing.

Preakness Day, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6roevoWFCA

Correction: 2000, horse was Artax

Quote from: desco80 on February 21, 2013, 03:35:16 PM

I've never understood the arguments for and against a crowd at a sporting event being sophisticated.    Is that even desirable?

Depends on the sport I suppose. Wrestling, football, baseball: unsophisticated is fine. Chess, croquet, beach volleyball and horseracing, I definitely prefer the upper crust.

And golf as well.  Nothing worse than the golf crowd at Bethpage.

PS congrats on the album.  Which Blotto was Mike Kelley?  I remember seeing them, albeit blurrily (just making up words now), when I was in college.

Quote from: Foad on February 21, 2013, 06:42:48 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on February 20, 2013, 11:52:39 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 20, 2013, 11:47:53 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 20, 2013, 11:41:02 PM

What is this BS about a lack of standing ovations? You're playing USF. This is expected. Wait until your 80. See how easy it is to stand up and applaud every time we score a layup.

People keep bitching about the average age of the SJ's fan at Alumni Hall. But it is the younger generation who needs to step it up, and stand up when we are playing well. Thing is, you have to show up first before your voice will garner any respect.

As it stands now, it isn't the youth who deserve a voice at all IMO.

You know how many times I see people stand and others tell them to sit down

And that's exactlyyyy the type of archaic attitude that has destroyed the home crowd environment at St. John's games.  That and some overly politically correct administrators/security/fans that get upset over people screaming things like "you suck."

No it isn't. The crowds have been awful forever.

true.

other than the mid 80s, when st johns was relevant for the first time since the '50s, the crowds were quiet enough to hear someone passing wind.   

some of you point to the "lively" student section.  i was at the game with my daughter who went to hofstra.  she was surprised it was so small..and there were empty seats.  pathetic.

if not for the "80 year olds", alumni hall would be like the morgue we seniors will be inhabiting before too long. 

the students just aren't that interested.  it is what it is.  kudos for the promotion.  the school is doing a far better job than it did a few years ago.  ticket prices are high enough for the marketing people to come up with more creative "stuff" while turning a profit for the school.

I figured you guys were old, but forever is really old.