Greene/Geno

Quote from: redstorm212 on February 23, 2013, 12:33:28 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2013, 12:24:16 AM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on February 22, 2013, 11:38:05 PM

He leads the team in assists because many of those rushed shots are by D'Angelo and they go in.

Oh brother.  The same D'Angelo shooting 31% from 3 and 40% from the field?  His shots are not going in at any special rate this season.

And lets pretend for a second that they were.  I'd be forced to mention that Magic led his team in assists because many of those rushed sky hooks by Alcindor went in and Stockton led his team in assists because many of those rushed one handers by Malone went in.  Trying to somehow argue that the assists of Mean Joe are somehow less worthy than the assists of other players puts you on a slippery slope wearing ice skates.

Comparing Phil to Magic...oh boy.

Is that really how you interpreted that post?

No, I'm kidding. But, I agree with Moose.

Phil is averaging 2.8 ast's playing 30+ minutes at the PG spot. Let's look at his numbers for what they are. Not that impressive.

Quote from: simplyred on February 23, 2013, 12:42:31 AM

Quote from: redstorm212 on February 23, 2013, 12:33:28 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2013, 12:24:16 AM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on February 22, 2013, 11:38:05 PM

He leads the team in assists because many of those rushed shots are by D'Angelo and they go in.

Oh brother.  The same D'Angelo shooting 31% from 3 and 40% from the field?  His shots are not going in at any special rate this season.

And lets pretend for a second that they were.  I'd be forced to mention that Magic led his team in assists because many of those rushed sky hooks by Alcindor went in and Stockton led his team in assists because many of those rushed one handers by Malone went in.  Trying to somehow argue that the assists of Mean Joe are somehow less worthy than the assists of other players puts you on a slippery slope wearing ice skates.

Comparing Phil to Magic...oh boy.

Is that really how you interpreted that post?

No, I'm kidding. But, I agree with Moose.

Phil is averaging 2.8 ast's playing 30+ minutes at the PG spot. Let's look at his numbers for what they are. Not that impressive.

It's been observed and mentioned on this board by others and I that our team doesn't really run a traditional offense with a set point, shooting guard and small forward.  Sir Dom, 3'lo, Mean Joe and the Aggie( when he's not hurt ) all take turns bringing the ball up and starting the offense.  It looks to me in recent games that Dom is playing as much point as Phil.

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Quote from: redstorm212 on February 23, 2013, 12:43:32 AM

Quote from: simplyred on February 23, 2013, 12:42:31 AM

Quote from: redstorm212 on February 23, 2013, 12:33:28 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2013, 12:24:16 AM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on February 22, 2013, 11:38:05 PM

He leads the team in assists because many of those rushed shots are by D'Angelo and they go in.

Oh brother.  The same D'Angelo shooting 31% from 3 and 40% from the field?  His shots are not going in at any special rate this season.

And lets pretend for a second that they were.  I'd be forced to mention that Magic led his team in assists because many of those rushed sky hooks by Alcindor went in and Stockton led his team in assists because many of those rushed one handers by Malone went in.  Trying to somehow argue that the assists of Mean Joe are somehow less worthy than the assists of other players puts you on a slippery slope wearing ice skates.

Comparing Phil to Magic...oh boy.

Is that really how you interpreted that post?

No, I'm kidding. But, I agree with Moose.

Phil is averaging 2.8 ast's playing 30+ minutes at the PG spot. Let's look at his numbers for what they are. Not that impressive.

It's been observed and mentioned on this board by others and I that our team doesn't really run a traditional offense with a set point, shooting guard and small forward.  Sir Dom, 3'lo, Mean Joe and the Aggie( when he's not hurt ) all take turns bringing the ball up and starting the offense.  It looks to me in recent games that Dom is playing as much point as Phil.

Fair enough. But, then at least you would agree that saying he "leads the team in assists" sounds a lot more impressive than it actually is. And I stand by what I said about his court vision, it's almost non-existent. He doesn't keep his head up when he dribbles into traffic, he doesn't look for cutters, I've seen him blatantly ignore Marco at least twice for a wide open shot, and like Moose said, he has a knack for dribbling around for 30 seconds and then either passing or shooting a wild shot as the shot clock winds down.

I like Phil, and think he can be a contributor to this team, but he needs to calm down, play more naturally and play off the ball. When he shoots open shots, I like the chances of them going in. He also has the best floater on the team and I'd like to see him drive more.

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Horne could hit the 3. He was a better player.

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 12:58:20 PM

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Horne could hit the 3. He was a better player.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Paris never knocked down 3's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2282346/type/college/paris-horne

Quote from: Poison on February 23, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 12:58:20 PM

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Horne could hit the 3. He was a better player.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Paris never knocked down 3's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2282346/type/college/paris-horne

Those numbers next to Phil Greene make him look like Chris mullin. Ill tke 37% from three and day of the week. Believe it or not but Paris is top 3 in sju's history in 3 pointers made.

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 01:28:11 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 23, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 12:58:20 PM

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Horne could hit the 3. He was a better player.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Paris never knocked down 3's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2282346/type/college/paris-horne

Those numbers next to Phil Greene make him look like Chris mullin. Ill tke 37% from three and day of the week. Believe it or not but Paris is top 3 in sju's history in 3 pointers made.

I'm also sure Horne was in the tops of minutes played too. However 37% a clip from 3 isn't too bad.

Paris loved the corner 3's. That was his shot.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on February 23, 2013, 01:33:30 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 01:28:11 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 23, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 12:58:20 PM

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Horne could hit the 3. He was a better player.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Paris never knocked down 3's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2282346/type/college/paris-horne

Those numbers next to Phil Greene make him look like Chris mullin. Ill tke 37% from three and day of the week. Believe it or not but Paris is top 3 in sju's history in 3 pointers made.

I'm also sure Horne was in the tops of minutes played too. However 37% a clip from 3 isn't too bad.

It's closer to great than It is to bad IMO.

You do realize Paris shot less and less in his career. His shot selection improved and so did his efficiency.

BTW the way I called this comparison last year and after a good game by the Circle against Devry tech earlier this season my buddy Choz and a few others tried to call me out on it. Well after two years worth of stats how do you like it now?

You should not hold on to these things nephew.

You do realize Paris shot less and less in his career. His shot selection improved and so did his efficiency.

I don't know what point your trying to make Dave. I'm just trying to reiterate poison's opinion that Paris Horne could knock down 3's.

Quote from: Poison on February 23, 2013, 01:15:52 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 23, 2013, 12:58:20 PM

Greene just needs to reduce the number of poor shots he takes. If he plays to his strengths he is more valuable than people give him credit for. Fran Fraschilla taught me about "silent turnovers" aka bad shots. Greene while not turning over the ball traditionally will take a lot of poor shots committing "silent turnovers". To his defense it is partly by design with the shot clock bleeding in the 2nd half and he chucks it up.

Greene just needs to focus on playing to his strengths which is why I made the comparison to Paris Horne earlier in the year. After Horne's sophomore year and into his junior year he struggled. Then he refocused and started doing what he does best, take it to the rim and hustle plays. If Phil can get his tear drop off and then start penetrating and kicking then he has something going on.

Horne could hit the 3. He was a better player.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

Paris never knocked down 3's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2282346/type/college/paris-horne

Dont think those stats reinforce the case for Phil..Horne's FG & 3 point stats blow Phil's away

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What is Phil recovering from?

What is Phil recovering from?

Dizziness

Quote from: ras on May 19, 2013, 12:07:57 PM

What is Phil recovering from?

Dizziness

 

Quote from: Foad on May 19, 2013, 01:06:51 PM

Quote from: ras on May 19, 2013, 12:07:57 PM

What is Phil recovering from?

Dizziness

 

I get it, the circles right. Our guy Phil hurt'in and u makin fun. 

Quote from: 0404 on May 19, 2013, 01:54:07 PM

Quote from: Foad on May 19, 2013, 01:06:51 PM

Quote from: ras on May 19, 2013, 12:07:57 PM

What is Phil recovering from?

Dizziness

 

I get it, the circles right. Our guy Phil hurt'in and u makin fun. 

 I think Phil plays hard, and he that improved over the course of the season.

He plays defense. He works hard. By his senior year, I think he'll be one of the better guards in the league. He just needs to be kept off the point. It's not fair to judge him as a player until he gets the chance to play where he belongs.