Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name

Quote from: sju61982 on March 15, 2013, 06:12:17 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 15, 2013, 02:43:29 PM

"NEW YORK-The Big East tournament loves New York. It will be back next season, with a smaller group of old and new members.

And according to sources, it very well could be in New York City permanently as the site of the new conference offices.

After a minor turf war involving Providence  in the North and Washington D.C. in the South, New York City was the midway compromise. Perhaps very close to the Fox television headquarters–which will be the new Big East’s new television big daddy, starting next season.

And you thought it was going to be all about just games during Big East tournament week.  Not in New York, with almost everyone here, not where conversations lead to rumors.

According to sources familiar with the discussions being held, the new Big East basketball league is also speeding up the process of hiring a commissioner, giving the search process to a group led by former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee

Don’t be stunned if the next commissioner has either New York and/or television ties. A name that might find its way to the search committee was Major League baseball Executive VP Tim Brosnan.  Brosnan played a key role in baseball’s lucrative television deal with Fox and could be regarded as the man to guide the new Big East through the early stages of its relationship with the new Fox Sports Cable outlet.

The next bit of business will be to expand from the 7 Catholic Big East schools forming the core group of the new league, with Butler and Xavier regarded as locks to join in 2013. The 10 team still looks like Creighton, although Dayton is getting some support.

The overall plan will be to eventually expand to 12 teams. Dayton would be in that mix, but so would Saint Louis and Georgetown is making a strong push for Richmond."

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Richmond over Dayton is what I hope they are pushing.  Would even out geographically with 6 eastern teams, and 6 "western" teams. 

St. Louis needs to stay, IMO (full disclousre:  My father is a St. John's alum who now lives in the Gateway City).  They are a major market, and they have been putting a lot of their own money into athletics the last few years, including a new on-campus arena, which has drawn rave reviews (though I've never been to it).

My order of preference after the obvious 2

St. Louis
VCU
Dayton
Creighton
Richmond

I would like Butler Xaver Creighton Dayton and VCU

I can't imagine Fox wants to leave St. Louis out. Richmond over VCU wouldn't kill me

It would be nice to have another eastern school,

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Dayton and Xavier seems duplicative to me.
Add St. Louis AND Richmond or VCU to the 10 above.  I would prefer a team from Boston but I don't see any contenders.

It would be nice to have another eastern school,

I share this sentiment.

Richmond has an endowment of 2 billion.  With the right coaching moves, they could really emulate Duke down there.  Creighton is a fantastic program that has massive fan support.  All of these programs should be bolstered by the new conference affiliation.  As far as I'm concerned, tons of top 100 kids should be pining to play for a fantastic coach like Brad Stevens in the new Big East.  I think you will see that sooner rather than later.

Dayton and Xavier seems duplicative to me.
Add St. Louis AND Richmond or VCU to the 10 above.  I would prefer a team from Boston but I don't see any contenders.

There arent. With the possible exception of UMASS if they arent trying to expand their FB.

Richmond has an endowment of 2 billion.  With the right coaching moves, they could really emulate Duke down there.  Creighton is a fantastic program that has massive fan support.  All of these programs should be bolstered by the new conference affiliation.  As far as I'm concerned, tons of top 100 kids should be pining to play for a fantastic coach like Brad Stevens in the new Big East.  I think you will see that sooner rather than later.

Their 1.3 or 1.4 B endowment hasn't done much to make them a basketball powerhouse lately.

Quote from: MCNPA on March 16, 2013, 01:25:13 PM

Richmond has an endowment of 2 billion.  With the right coaching moves, they could really emulate Duke down there.  Creighton is a fantastic program that has massive fan support.  All of these programs should be bolstered by the new conference affiliation.  As far as I'm concerned, tons of top 100 kids should be pining to play for a fantastic coach like Brad Stevens in the new Big East.  I think you will see that sooner rather than later.

Their 1.3 or 1.4 B endowment hasn't done much to make them a basketball powerhouse lately.

I think their endowment is over 1.8 now but that's not the point.  It's all about head coach and the conference they are in.  We need an eastern team and they have the resources and some history of decent basketball teams.

Quote from: Moose on March 16, 2013, 02:06:54 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 16, 2013, 01:25:13 PM

Richmond has an endowment of 2 billion.  With the right coaching moves, they could really emulate Duke down there.  Creighton is a fantastic program that has massive fan support.  All of these programs should be bolstered by the new conference affiliation.  As far as I'm concerned, tons of top 100 kids should be pining to play for a fantastic coach like Brad Stevens in the new Big East.  I think you will see that sooner rather than later.

Their 1.3 or 1.4 B endowment hasn't done much to make them a basketball powerhouse lately.

I think their endowment is over 1.8 now but that's not the point.  It's all about head coach and the conference they are in.  We need an eastern team and they have the resources and some history of decent basketball teams.

Your right.  I misread the number.
What is the East / West breakdown that we need an East team

Quote from: MCNPA on March 16, 2013, 03:06:59 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 16, 2013, 02:06:54 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 16, 2013, 01:25:13 PM

Richmond has an endowment of 2 billion.  With the right coaching moves, they could really emulate Duke down there.  Creighton is a fantastic program that has massive fan support.  All of these programs should be bolstered by the new conference affiliation.  As far as I'm concerned, tons of top 100 kids should be pining to play for a fantastic coach like Brad Stevens in the new Big East.  I think you will see that sooner rather than later.

Their 1.3 or 1.4 B endowment hasn't done much to make them a basketball powerhouse lately.

I think their endowment is over 1.8 now but that's not the point.  It's all about head coach and the conference they are in.  We need an eastern team and they have the resources and some history of decent basketball teams.

Your right.  I misread the number.
What is the East / West breakdown that we need an East team

If we go to 12, which I'm certain we will for long term network stability we likely will only have 6 eastern teams.

West:
Marquette
Xavier
Butler
DePaul
Creighton?
Dayton?
St.Louis?

East:
SJU
Georgetown
Nova
Seton hall
Providence
?Richmond

And SJU's role in making this a credible conference is going to be important.

Dick Weiss said it earlier this week and I think he is correct.  For this league to work there needs to be 3-4 teams at least who are consistently top 25 and recruiting nationally.  You can argue Georgetown is there and Marquette is sort of there and that means SJU (Weiss specifically mentioned them)  and Nova need to help carry the conference.

Xavier is solid and so is Butler but they are not former Big East schools.

It is definitely imperative that Lavin get this thing going in the next couple of years at SJU.  Both for SJU and for the new League.  I think he is the type of coach when he has the tools that can do it.

This League needs marquee programs if it is going to have consistent credibility with the big conferences.

And SJU's role in making this a credible conference is going to be important.

Dick Weiss said it earlier this week and I think he is correct.  For this league to work there needs to be 3-4 teams at least who are consistently top 25 and recruiting nationally.  You can argue Georgetown is there and Marquette is sort of there and that means SJU (Weiss specifically mentioned them)  and Nova need to help carry the conference.

Xavier is solid and so is Butler but they are not former Big East schools.

It is definitely imperative that Lavin get this thing going in the next couple of years at SJU.  Both for SJU and for the new League.  I think he is the type of coach when he has the tools that can do it.

This League needs marquee programs if it is going to have consistent credibility with the big conferences.

Agree wholeheartedly.  We also will need schools like Xavier with Mack and butler with Stevens to use the conference as a springboard for recruiting.  Will help bring them to a different level of athlete.  I'm most concerned about us of course.

And SJU's role in making this a credible conference is going to be important.

Dick Weiss said it earlier this week and I think he is correct.  For this league to work there needs to be 3-4 teams at least who are consistently top 25 and recruiting nationally.  You can argue Georgetown is there and Marquette is sort of there and that means SJU (Weiss specifically mentioned them)  and Nova need to help carry the conference.

Xavier is solid and so is Butler but they are not former Big East schools.

It is definitely imperative that Lavin get this thing going in the next couple of years at SJU.  Both for SJU and for the new League.  I think he is the type of coach when he has the tools that can do it.

This League needs marquee programs if it is going to have consistent credibility with the big conferences.

Agree--incoming schools have to increase the strength of their out of coference schedules.  The league has to market itself as the BB schools for players not the FB school that needs BB between bowl games and spring practice.  Recruits need to see that they are the "Man" on our campuses; not second class to FB.  Tell recruits that Excuse, Lville, etc. left for FB not BB and thus what team did they give preference to.

There are reports saying the new Big East schools are getting annoyed at G'Town for "taking over" the conference. For example, the commisioner they are looking at is a G'Town alumni, and a few other higher ups involved with the new league are as well. Other schools are reportedly upset with them for taking credit for separation even though they were the only school that was reluctant to join.

IMO even if this report is true, so what? We are never going to be better than G'Town. They have been better than us even in our heyday with Mullin, and way better recently. I don't mind them being the centerpiece of the new Big East...I mean they basically are the clear #1 school in the new conference. After G'Town, Nova, Marquette there is a big drop off to SH, DePaul, SJ, etc. but adding Butler, STL, Xavier, etc. should close that gap. For all I care they can call it the G'Town conference...I'm just grateful to escape the realignment BS and still play in a premier league.

If ever there was a time to have a rebirth for the SJ basketball program, it's now. New coach, much better recruiting, new conference, no more Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Cincy, L'Ville in our way, etc. IMO if we are any worse than a top 4 team next year, it's disappointing. 5th is possible especially with Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis if they come, but I would only accept 5th if it becomes a 12 team league. If it stays 10 then we better be no worse than 4.

There are reports saying the new Big East schools are getting annoyed at G'Town for "taking over" the conference. For example, the commisioner they are looking at is a G'Town alumni, and a few other higher ups involved with the new league are as well. Other schools are reportedly upset with them for taking credit for separation even though they were the only school that was reluctant to join.

IMO even if this report is true, so what? We are never going to be better than G'Town. They have been better than us even in our heyday with Mullin, and way better recently. I don't mind them being the centerpiece of the new Big East...I mean they basically are the clear #1 school in the new conference. After G'Town, Nova, Marquette there is a big drop off to SH, DePaul, SJ, etc. but adding Butler, STL, Xavier, etc. should close that gap. For all I care they can call it the G'Town conference...I'm just grateful to escape the realignment BS and still play in a premier league.

If ever there was a time to have a rebirth for the SJ basketball program, it's now. New coach, much better recruiting, new conference, no more Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Cincy, L'Ville in our way, etc. IMO if we are any worse than a top 4 team next year, it's disappointing. 5th is possible especially with Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis if they come, but I would only accept 5th if it becomes a 12 team league. If it stays 10 then we better be no worse than 4.

If its a ten team league, ill be disappointed if we're not top 4.

Quote from: RedStormyNight on March 16, 2013, 08:41:00 PM

There are reports saying the new Big East schools are getting annoyed at G'Town for "taking over" the conference. For example, the commisioner they are looking at is a G'Town alumni, and a few other higher ups involved with the new league are as well. Other schools are reportedly upset with them for taking credit for separation even though they were the only school that was reluctant to join.

IMO even if this report is true, so what? We are never going to be better than G'Town. They have been better than us even in our heyday with Mullin, and way better recently. I don't mind them being the centerpiece of the new Big East...I mean they basically are the clear #1 school in the new conference. After G'Town, Nova, Marquette there is a big drop off to SH, DePaul, SJ, etc. but adding Butler, STL, Xavier, etc. should close that gap. For all I care they can call it the G'Town conference...I'm just grateful to escape the realignment BS and still play in a premier league.

If ever there was a time to have a rebirth for the SJ basketball program, it's now. New coach, much better recruiting, new conference, no more Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Cincy, L'Ville in our way, etc. IMO if we are any worse than a top 4 team next year, it's disappointing. 5th is possible especially with Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis if they come, but I would only accept 5th if it becomes a 12 team league. If it stays 10 then we better be no worse than 4.

If its a ten team league, ill be disappointed if we're not top 4.

Agreed.  And I think the League could pull 5 bids.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 16, 2013, 09:21:14 PM

Quote from: RedStormyNight on March 16, 2013, 08:41:00 PM

There are reports saying the new Big East schools are getting annoyed at G'Town for "taking over" the conference. For example, the commisioner they are looking at is a G'Town alumni, and a few other higher ups involved with the new league are as well. Other schools are reportedly upset with them for taking credit for separation even though they were the only school that was reluctant to join.

IMO even if this report is true, so what? We are never going to be better than G'Town. They have been better than us even in our heyday with Mullin, and way better recently. I don't mind them being the centerpiece of the new Big East...I mean they basically are the clear #1 school in the new conference. After G'Town, Nova, Marquette there is a big drop off to SH, DePaul, SJ, etc. but adding Butler, STL, Xavier, etc. should close that gap. For all I care they can call it the G'Town conference...I'm just grateful to escape the realignment BS and still play in a premier league.

If ever there was a time to have a rebirth for the SJ basketball program, it's now. New coach, much better recruiting, new conference, no more Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Cincy, L'Ville in our way, etc. IMO if we are any worse than a top 4 team next year, it's disappointing. 5th is possible especially with Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis if they come, but I would only accept 5th if it becomes a 12 team league. If it stays 10 then we better be no worse than 4.

If its a ten team league, ill be disappointed if we're not top 4.

Agreed.  And I think the League could pull 5 bids.

I am excited for the new league but I cringe when I see people who look forward to this new league because they feel it will be "easier" to compete.  I see a lot of SHU fans making these remarks.

Not me though.  Making this move was necessary but I will miss playing the Lville's and Cuse's of the world because their level is what SJU should strive to be as good as and it is why you hire someone like Coach Lavin.  To me our goals of competing for recruits off the court and on the court against the best teams does not change nor should it.

Quote from: Moose on March 16, 2013, 09:27:59 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 16, 2013, 09:21:14 PM

Quote from: RedStormyNight on March 16, 2013, 08:41:00 PM

There are reports saying the new Big East schools are getting annoyed at G'Town for "taking over" the conference. For example, the commisioner they are looking at is a G'Town alumni, and a few other higher ups involved with the new league are as well. Other schools are reportedly upset with them for taking credit for separation even though they were the only school that was reluctant to join.

IMO even if this report is true, so what? We are never going to be better than G'Town. They have been better than us even in our heyday with Mullin, and way better recently. I don't mind them being the centerpiece of the new Big East...I mean they basically are the clear #1 school in the new conference. After G'Town, Nova, Marquette there is a big drop off to SH, DePaul, SJ, etc. but adding Butler, STL, Xavier, etc. should close that gap. For all I care they can call it the G'Town conference...I'm just grateful to escape the realignment BS and still play in a premier league.

If ever there was a time to have a rebirth for the SJ basketball program, it's now. New coach, much better recruiting, new conference, no more Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Cincy, L'Ville in our way, etc. IMO if we are any worse than a top 4 team next year, it's disappointing. 5th is possible especially with Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis if they come, but I would only accept 5th if it becomes a 12 team league. If it stays 10 then we better be no worse than 4.

If its a ten team league, ill be disappointed if we're not top 4.

Agreed.  And I think the League could pull 5 bids.

I am excited for the new league but I cringe when I see people who look forward to this new league because they feel it will be "easier" to compete.  I see a lot of SHU fans making these remarks.

Not me though.  Making this move was necessary but I will miss playing the Lville's and Cuse's of the world because their level is what SJU should strive to be as good as and it is why you hire someone like Coach Lavin.  To me our goals of competing for recruits off the court and on the court against the best teams does not change nor should it.

That would be like a Virginia Tech fan saying "We should strive to be Duke". Well, sure you can "strive" to be like the best teams from your conference. Whether or not that is wishful thinking is another thing entirely. To say we should be like Cuse or L'Ville is asking too much of this program. Maybe after a successful decade of constantly making the tourney, getting our name back out there, actually landing the Lawrence, McCullough, Anderson type major recruits, and getting our confidence back we can list that as a realistic goal. But for a program that has 1 NCAA tourney win in 13 years, saying we should be like Cuse is just setting yourself up for failure. They are one of the very best teams in the nation every year. We would be thrilled just to MAKE the tournament or earn a #25 ranking.

Rome wasn't built in a day...we will need nice long sustained success, major recruits, and a total rejuvination of this program to get back to the glory days. With that said, I think demanding at least an NCAA appearance next year is totally justified. We will not be anywhere near Cuse or L'Ville however. You don't go from the bottom of the conference to amazing with the snap of the hand...at least for sustained success. Right now we are still seen as one of the door mats compared to G'Town, Nova, Marquette, etc...that HAS to change. If we get overtaken by Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis, etc. in our new conference it will be very, very embarrassing and Lavin will be looking over his shoulder.

Not exactly my point.  The move was a necessary evil but if it could've been avoided I would prefer staying with Syracuse, UCONN and Louisville etc.

If the goal of the new conference was to make us more competitive then quite frankly SJU should have tried to get in the A-10  years ago.