Providence Game Discussion

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:36:14 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 02, 2013, 10:31:59 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:27:51 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on March 02, 2013, 10:23:35 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 02, 2013, 10:17:31 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:09:21 PM

Quote from: guinness77 on March 02, 2013, 10:06:50 PM

That's what happens when you don't run any kind of a set offense.

Absurd comment.  It's what happens when you have nobody that can shoot on the court.  Lavin's fault, he should have played Marco more.  We had that game won.  Just had our only shooter on the bench.  Maddening. 

Well he played Felix for his D on Cotton. Unfortunately Felix was constantly trailing him on picks and also lost him 2 othetr times. If you are going to play a guy for his D, fine but maybe the guy should be, you know a good defender. People pining for Marco just stop. Lavin, justified or not clearly does not trust him.

Funny you say that and I said it after last game guys calling for Marco to get yanked because of a defensive deficiency aren't being fair. I have seen Marco look like half the bad defender that people make him out to be , call it basketball profiling or whatever but coach has to wiser up.

Plenty of guys miss defensive assignments.  If that wasn't so,the other team wouldn't score.  We needed Marco for at least another 8 minutes down the stretch.  Forgive my vulgarity, but we had coke dick out there.  We had the effort, defense, and ran solid offense.  Just nobody to shoot. 

I was actually agreeing with you for once and then you disgreed with your own original point. Personally I would have played Marco. Lavin went with Felix instead for his D. Unfortunately he is not a great defender either which makes Lavin's choice even more questionable.

Which part did I disagree with?  Thought Balamou harassed Cotton a lot for the most part.  Had some "missed assignments" too, but played hard and well overall.   I would have liked a mix of Felix's D and Marco's O instead of just Greene and Balamou's anti-offense.

If you were going to play Marco it would have been for Felix. Honestly if Lavin doesn't play Marco this game when would he?

Funny how these analysts (Ron Perry tonight) are supposed to deliver insight and knowledge as part of their commentary...he repeatedly extolled the virtues of Phil Greene's prowess as a point guard...not only has he not been a good point but he wasnt playing the position for most of the night...comical

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:21:57 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:09:21 PM

You're not watching.  We set screens all game long.  We have nobody that can shoot off of them with D'Angelo suspended and Marco on the bench.  We actually ran good offense.  We played with energy.  Only thing we were missing was shooting and we blow them out.....

we didn't set any screens the last couple times down the court. I think we're pretty much in agreement about the Bourgault thing, and that's all that really matters. Its really kind of ridiculous he didn't play at all down the stretch.

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:09:21 PM

You're not watching.  We set screens all game long.  We have nobody that can shoot off of them with D'Angelo suspended and Marco on the bench.  We actually ran good offense.  We played with energy.  Only thing we were missing was shooting and we blow them out.....

we didn't set any screens the last couple times down the court. I think we're pretty much in agreement about the Bourgault thing, and that's all that really matters. Its really kind of ridiculous he didn't play at all down the stretch.

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”
[/quote

??  Crossroads?  Seems extreme.

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”

Quote from: we are sju on March 02, 2013, 10:37:54 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:36:14 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 02, 2013, 10:31:59 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:27:51 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on March 02, 2013, 10:23:35 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 02, 2013, 10:17:31 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:09:21 PM

Quote from: guinness77 on March 02, 2013, 10:06:50 PM

That's what happens when you don't run any kind of a set offense.

Absurd comment.  It's what happens when you have nobody that can shoot on the court.  Lavin's fault, he should have played Marco more.  We had that game won.  Just had our only shooter on the bench.  Maddening. 

Well he played Felix for his D on Cotton. Unfortunately Felix was constantly trailing him on picks and also lost him 2 othetr times. If you are going to play a guy for his D, fine but maybe the guy should be, you know a good defender. People pining for Marco just stop. Lavin, justified or not clearly does not trust him.

Funny you say that and I said it after last game guys calling for Marco to get yanked because of a defensive deficiency aren't being fair. I have seen Marco look like half the bad defender that people make him out to be , call it basketball profiling or whatever but coach has to wiser up.

Plenty of guys miss defensive assignments.  If that wasn't so,the other team wouldn't score.  We needed Marco for at least another 8 minutes down the stretch.  Forgive my vulgarity, but we had coke dick out there.  We had the effort, defense, and ran solid offense.  Just nobody to shoot. 

I was actually agreeing with you for once and then you disgreed with your own original point. Personally I would have played Marco. Lavin went with Felix instead for his D. Unfortunately he is not a great defender either which makes Lavin's choice even more questionable.

Which part did I disagree with?  Thought Balamou harassed Cotton a lot for the most part.  Had some "missed assignments" too, but played hard and well overall.   I would have liked a mix of Felix's D and Marco's O instead of just Greene and Balamou's anti-offense.

If you were going to play Marco it would have been for Felix. Honestly if Lavin doesn't play Marco this game when would he?

I don't disagree.  I'd have played Marco for both Greene and Balamou at times.  Marco should have played at least 20 in this game.  I didn't know that Branch was injured, but even so, Bourgsult should have split with Balamou at least.  Balamou didn't stop Cotton nearly enough to make me think otherwise.

Quote from: paultzman on March 02, 2013, 10:31:23 PM

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”

Seriously crossroads?

Bit dramatic no?  Crossroads makes it sound like Coach is on the hot seat or close to being on it or program on the verge of imploding.  Coach is not on hot seat and program is fine needs a little fine tuning.

I might add SJU was chosen preseason 10th.  Meaning probably outside NCAA and likely NIT.

Not to digress, but I say let's grab Severe and fast so that we are assured Greene doesn't get 36 minutes per game next year.  Pretty sure I'll have consensus on that one.  We need another scorer in the backcourt, especially with both D'Angelo and Rysheed on the rocks...

Quote from: paultzman on March 02, 2013, 10:31:23 PM

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”

Seriously crossroads?

Bit dramatic no?  Crossroads makes it sound like Coach is on the hot seat or close to being on it or program on the verge of imploding.  Coach is not on hot seat and program is fine needs a little fine tuning.

I might add SJU was chosen preseason 10th.  Meaning probably outside NCAA and likely NIT. 

Quote from: paultzman on March 02, 2013, 10:31:23 PM

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”

Seriously crossroads?

Bit dramatic no?  Crossroads makes it sound like Coach is on the hot seat or close to being on it or program on the verge of imploding.  Coach is not on hot seat and program is fine needs a little fine tuning.

I might add SJU was chosen preseason 10th.  Meaning probably outside NCAA and likely NIT.

I've been calling for Phil to sit since we had 6 guys. I can't bare I watch him anymore I don't think any other coach in the country would continue to play a player that many minutes who's production is year horrible, I mean what is Phil's stregnth on the court?? Seriously , it's not scoring it's not rebounding it's not court vision it's not as a set up man .. Like what does he do well? He is a 2nd string 2 guard in the Maac at best. He's flat out horrible. And go ahead and say I'm bias towards Phil and I always pick on him but just look at his numbers. What does he do productively for us I win ball games?

Quote from: fordham96 on March 02, 2013, 10:44:10 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 02, 2013, 10:31:23 PM

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”

Seriously crossroads?

Bit dramatic no?  Crossroads makes it sound like Coach is on the hot seat or close to being on it or program on the verge of imploding.  Coach is not on hot seat and program is fine needs a little fine tuning.

I might add SJU was chosen preseason 10th.  Meaning probably outside NCAA and likely NIT.

Yea, that was not a good quote by Kieran. From all indications, the team is going to be very good next year. We aren't even expected to do anything from here on out.

Quote from: MCNPA on March 02, 2013, 10:47:03 PM

Not to digress, but I say let's grab Severe and fast so that we are assured Greene doesn't get 36 minutes per game next year.  Pretty sure I'll have consensus on that one.  We need another scorer in the backcourt, especially with both D'Angelo and Rysheed on the rocks...

I agree we should get a shooting guard for sure, if not Severe. Putting all our eggs in one basket for Jordan has limited our options. Granted no one thought we would lose Harrison, but hopefully the staff will scour the earth for a combo guard who can shoot. Greene should not play more than 15 minutes a game. I know, "the horse is dead".