Providence Game Discussion

Quote from: Choz4Life on March 02, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

funny how peeps are on Karr. silly yo. straight up silly.

thread is full of despair. the titanic has sunk. joker beat batman. the sun aint gonna come up tomorrow.

later

Could not agree more with this post.  This board is full of jokers.  I just got in from the game - saw what a real home crowd can do for a team and do to poor refs.  This crowd gave their team 10 points tonight. Our pathetic fan base is great on the keyboards and full of BS excuses when it comes to supporting this team.   Half think you can coach this team better than Lavin.  What a joke.  Try ball boy.  If any of us could coach, the last thing we'd be doing is bashing coaches on a message board.

The worst thing about this Program is the lack of fan support.  PC has had no recent success and just one BE crown.  Yet they fill their place with enthusiastic fan support.  We have coach and player bashing.  We even have a so called fan who thinks he's Lavin's shrink from 200 miles away.

This team busted their ass for their coach tonight.  They were up against it in a tough BE road game.  They came real close.  Next season this team is going to win up here.

I like everything Lavin did tonight as coach...except plant his ONLY outside shooter on the bench which IMO lost the game for us.  Team did everything else right.  Coach just needed to get Marco back in the game and give us a chance to make a few outside shots.  Didnt happen and I happen to think it was a very bad decision, and I am a Lavin supporter. 

We will be good next year, but we could have won today.  I'm very unhappy with the staff not putting us in a position to make a big shot when we needed it. 

Not to digress, but I say let's grab Severe and fast so that we are assured Greene doesn't get 36 minutes per game next year.  Pretty sure I'll have consensus on that one.  We need another scorer in the backcourt, especially with both D'Angelo and Rysheed on the rocks...

My money is on Severe going away to school (West Virginia or Alabama). St. John's is late to the game on him.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 02, 2013, 10:44:10 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 02, 2013, 10:31:23 PM

“@KieranDarcy: St. John's, sans D'Angelo Harrison, loses at Providence. No surprise. Likely loses out from here. NIT at best. Program at serious crossroad”

Seriously crossroads?

Bit dramatic no?  Crossroads makes it sound like Coach is on the hot seat or close to being on it or program on the verge of imploding.  Coach is not on hot seat and program is fine needs a little fine tuning.

I might add SJU was chosen preseason 10th.  Meaning probably outside NCAA and likely NIT.

Yea, that was not a good quote by Kieran. From all indications, the team is going to be very good next year. We aren't even expected to do anything from here on out.

I find it very hard to believe St. John's will be a ranked team next year with a backcourt of Branch, Greene, Balamou, Bourgault, and Hooper. I understand that a front court of Sampson, Pointer, Sanchez, and Obekpa is impressive, but guard play at any level is key and this team doesn't have the weapons.

Our team can't shoot. Until Lavin and his assistants address the elephant in the room, they'll continue to be a 16 to 18 win type of team at best.

If you can't stretch the defense, you're not going to win against the better teams in the conference.

Settling for too many jumpers.  Amir looks lost on defense.

And not on offense? Sorry to say this but Amir played an incredible game tonite-the whole time he was out there he did not do one thing right. Glad for Amir that he has a baseball contract and is doing well financially because by all indications he seems like a great kid. I am sure he would be better this year had he been able to work on his game instead of playing baseball. He probably would have improved on the same curve that Dom has.

Quote from: Choz4Life on March 02, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

funny how peeps are on Karr. silly yo. straight up silly.

thread is full of despair. the titanic has sunk. joker beat batman. the sun aint gonna come up tomorrow.

later

Could not agree more with this post.  This board is full of jokers.  I just got in from the game - saw what a real home crowd can do for a team and do to poor refs.  This crowd gave their team 10 points tonight. Our pathetic fan base is great on the keyboards and full of BS excuses when it comes to supporting this team.   Half think you can coach this team better than Lavin.  What a joke.  Try ball boy.  If any of us could coach, the last thing we'd be doing is bashing coaches on a message board.

The worst thing about this Program is the lack of fan support.  PC has had no recent success and just one BE crown.  Yet they fill their place with enthusiastic fan support.  We have coach and player bashing.  We even have a so called fan who thinks he's Lavin's shrink from 200 miles away.

This team busted their ass for their coach tonight.  They were up against it in a tough BE road game.  They came real close.  Next season this team is going to win up here.

Agree completely although to be fair their crowd isn't usually that good

funny how peeps are on Karr. silly yo. straight up silly.

thread is full of despair. the titanic has sunk. joker beat batman. the sun aint gonna come up tomorrow.

later

Truth

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

The only difference needed was one shot.

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

He was out there. Marco isn't hitting his shots. He has no rep here. It's not like we know he'll get his eventually like maybe Kuric from Louisville last year. I'd get Balamou out there more. He's got promise.

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

The only difference needed was one shot.

Which i'm not sure he makes anyway

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

He was out there. Marco isn't hitting his shots. He has no rep here. It's not like we know he'll get his eventually like maybe Kuric from Louisville last year. I'd get Balamou out there more. He's got promise.

Agreed

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 03, 2013, 01:06:00 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

The only difference needed was one shot.

Which i'm not sure he makes anyway

4-19 right. I just don't think there is any chance Marco goes that bad over 19 shots. Maybe he's not a great shooter but I think it's obvious he's our best. Plus I think Marco is a better passer and rebounder than Phil.

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 01:09:40 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 03, 2013, 01:06:00 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

The only difference needed was one shot.

Which i'm not sure he makes anyway

4-19 right. I just don't think there is any chance Marco goes that bad over 19 shots. Maybe he's not a great shooter but I think it's obvious he's our best. Plus I think Marco is a better passer and rebounder than Phil.

Fair point, just my opinion

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 03, 2013, 01:20:50 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 01:09:40 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 03, 2013, 01:06:00 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

The only difference needed was one shot.

Which i'm not sure he makes anyway

4-19 right. I just don't think there is any chance Marco goes that bad over 19 shots. Maybe he's not a great shooter but I think it's obvious he's our best. Plus I think Marco is a better passer and rebounder than Phil.

Fair point, just my opinion

Didn't mean any malice stormy. Just voicing my frustration.

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 01:23:49 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 03, 2013, 01:20:50 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 01:09:40 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 03, 2013, 01:06:00 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM

I didn't have problems with the in game coaching tonight. The game came down to us not being able to hit shots when it mattered. I agree that Marco probably should of taken some of Phil's minutes but i'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference. IMO Marco is overrated on this board. 

The only difference needed was one shot.

Which i'm not sure he makes anyway

4-19 right. I just don't think there is any chance Marco goes that bad over 19 shots. Maybe he's not a great shooter but I think it's obvious he's our best. Plus I think Marco is a better passer and rebounder than Phil.

Fair point, just my opinion

Didn't mean any malice stormy. Just voicing my frustration.

No worries, I feel your pain

Questionable to only play Marco 2 min while Providence played zone most of the game. I understand PC is athletic 1-3 but lets not give those guys that much credit. Marco getting torched once on defense to get 3fg threat is better than Phil Greene hoisting something at the side of the backboard with 1 tick left on the shot clock.

Sampson's confidence with the ball is one of his best attributes. He doesn't think, he just simply reacts, and that's why he is so successful. So him taking the last shot is something I have no problem with. He's trying to make a play.

Poor shots, led to leak outs in transition, and easy Providence points. Can't have those small mental breakdowns because this team isn't built to have an offensive surge to make a comeback. Need to put stronger emphasis on rebounding too because without that this team can not play it's ideal uptempo style.

On a positive note, the guys played hard, and didn't sulk without Harrison. They played this game to win and there is honor in that. I wouldn't be shocked to see them steal 1 of next 2 games.

My thoughts -

Watched the game without about 20 other SJU fans in a bar in NYC tonight.  The reality is that, without D-Lo, and with Branch playing at 30% (where he is still our best point), we knew it was going to be an uphill battle, as will all games be for the rest of the year. 

I was proud of our heart tonight.  Providence is on a roll and not an easy place to play, and we were in a position to win the game.  As far as the crowd getting into it - well they have a chip on their shoulder because we beat them out for several high profile recruits.  You could tell that Prop Joe from The Wire wanted this one, as he should after the beat down he got last year in Carnesecca and the recruiting trail.  With a team that has several major contributors who are upper classmen and minus D-Lo and 75% of Branch, they should beat us.  If they didn't, shame on them.

It is hard from a fan standpoint to go from being on the NCAA bubble, with a chance, to the NIT.  But that is reality for us right now.  But I was proud of the guys tonight, with my only frustration being that Bourgault didn't play more at the end when we desperately needed someone to sink an outside shot.  I understand SOME of the negative stuff being posted (though others are delusional), but we are going to be in fine shape going forward.  Hopefully the guys can make enough shots to steal one at ND, and make the Marquette game more meaningful.

Honestly and sincerely I don't think Phil Greene earned back his ship for next year if it was up to me. At this point I think if Malik Stith was given his minutes he would have produce more.

Honestly and sincerely I don't think Phil Greene earned back his ship for next year if it was up to me. At this point I think if Malik Stith was given his minutes he would have produce more.

Quote from: Choz4Life on March 02, 2013, 10:16:50 PM

funny how peeps are on Karr. silly yo. straight up silly.

thread is full of despair. the titanic has sunk. joker beat batman. the sun aint gonna come up tomorrow.

later

Could not agree more with this post.  This board is full of jokers.  I just got in from the game - saw what a real home crowd can do for a team and do to poor refs.  This crowd gave their team 10 points tonight. Our pathetic fan base is great on the keyboards and full of BS excuses when it comes to supporting this team.   Half think you can coach this team better than Lavin.  What a joke.  Try ball boy.  If any of us could coach, the last thing we'd be doing is bashing coaches on a message board.

The worst thing about this Program is the lack of fan support.  PC has had no recent success and just one BE crown.  Yet they fill their place with enthusiastic fan support.  We have coach and player bashing.  We even have a so called fan who thinks he's Lavin's shrink from 200 miles away.

This team busted their ass for their coach tonight.  They were up against it in a tough BE road game.  They came real close.  Next season this team is going to win up here. 

LOVE this post.  Lots of fire and i partly agree b/c i love what the team did tonight.  Criticism of Sampson unfounded.  Played great, has the guts to take the shot, ill take that guy all day.  But let's be serious we havent had good fans for at least 15 years.  People who post on the boards care, are good/diehard fans are allowed to criticize.

People are allowed to question Lavin.  I love him here, dont think STJ can do any better.  Would never ever want him to leave and go back to what we dealt with last 15 yrs.  He gets players.  That being said, to see 1 timeout on the board in a big big game and see nothing happening with 20 secs on the clock and see the result of Dom's shot they are allowed to play mmqb.   

I'll give you another example to question Lavin...before Cotton was shooting his  2nd FT up three with 8 secs left, Lavin should have subbed Marco.  Why wouldnt he down three with 8 left?  He was cold? He thought Phil and Jamal would have a better chance at hitting a three?  Makes no sense and not making that sub says a lot abt Lav either not thinking or not being prepared at the most crucial time.  He couldnt have thought 5 other guys would have had a better shot of tying the game.

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 02, 2013, 11:22:15 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 02, 2013, 11:17:14 PM

Quote from: SJUhoopNUT on March 02, 2013, 11:10:38 PM

I have no information but I don't get the feeling we have any shot with Severe. Are we even recruiting him hard? Has Lavin seen this kid play or spoke to him? I think it's wishful thinking that we just can get Severe.

We have not aggressively done so. We have to get someone else talented if Lavin does not deem Severe suitable.

Check out this kid.

  http://future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/grayson-allen-sg-2014

Welcome back Linda.  Perfect timing...

Guess you didn't read my earlier post on this thread.