Rawle Alkins - SG - Word of God - ARIZONA

Quote from: WillieG on February 05, 2016, 05:51:28 PM

In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better.  He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage.  The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.

You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?

Slightly, yes.  Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage.  If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential.  But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.

Whitehead has been playing great lately.. Lot more unselfish. Putting it together...

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on February 06, 2016, 01:51:50 AM

Quote from: WillieG on February 05, 2016, 05:51:28 PM

In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better.  He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage.  The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.

You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?

Slightly, yes.  Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage.  If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential.  But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.

Very doubtful he's a mid first rounder this year. Undrafted is much more likely than getting selected 16th.

Mid 2nd

Are the Rawle posts now in the Whitehead thread ?

Quote from: WillieG on February 06, 2016, 01:27:09 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on February 06, 2016, 01:51:50 AM

Quote from: WillieG on February 05, 2016, 05:51:28 PM

In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better.  He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage.  The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.

You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?

Slightly, yes.  Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage.  If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential.  But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.

Very doubtful he's a mid first rounder this year. Undrafted is much more likely than getting selected 16th.

You haven't been watching him lately.  This MCD AA is a mid first rounder, if for no other reason it is a weak draft.

Zach B tweet response today on Alkins eligibility question;

"yeah strong buzz is he may not be eligible"

Zach B tweet response today on Alkins eligibility question;

"yeah strong buzz is he may not be eligible"

Of course. Now I'm confident we land him.

It's been the buzz for months.  Best not to focus too much on this one, unfortunately

Quote from: Gray Chudney on February 06, 2016, 05:28:35 PM

Quote from: WillieG on February 06, 2016, 01:27:09 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on February 06, 2016, 01:51:50 AM

Quote from: WillieG on February 05, 2016, 05:51:28 PM

In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better.  He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage.  The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.

You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?

Slightly, yes.  Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage.  If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential.  But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.

Very doubtful he's a mid first rounder this year. Undrafted is much more likely than getting selected 16th.

You haven't been watching him lately.  This MCD AA is a mid first rounder, if for no other reason it is a weak draft.

I watch him 1-2 nights a week. He's definitely improved and is playing at an All Big East level. Still would be very surprised if he's a mid first this year.

Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.

Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.

If he decides to go to St. Johns the NCAA will make sure he is not eligible if he choses Arizona or UNC the NCAA will say he is qualified

Just look the infractions the Cuse got if it was St  Johns the penalty would have been doubled

Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.

Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.

Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave.  I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 07, 2016, 02:34:28 PM

Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.

Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.

Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave.  I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us

Agree, wpc.  I'll repeat here what I said on the other board....  Alkins could commit to us, as a partial qualifier, and then turn pro (without ever playing a game).

I feel like if he didn't play one game that would reaaaallly hurt his draft stock. Think he's gotta play one season, no?

If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier.  He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS.  He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level.  Thon Maker situation is different.

Quote from: wpc77 on February 07, 2016, 02:55:29 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 07, 2016, 02:34:28 PM

Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.

Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.

Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave.  I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us

Agree, wpc.  I'll repeat here what I said on the other board....  Alkins could commit to us, as a partial qualifier, and then turn pro (without ever playing a game).

Didn't that happen a couple years back with PC

Quote from: mjdinkins on February 07, 2016, 04:05:36 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on February 07, 2016, 02:55:29 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 07, 2016, 02:34:28 PM

Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.

Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.

Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave.  I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us

Agree, wpc.  I'll repeat here what I said on the other board....  Alkins could commit to us, as a partial qualifier, and then turn pro (without ever playing a game).

Didn't that happen a couple year back with PC

Ricky Ledo Syndrome

If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier.  He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS.  He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level.  Thon Maker situation is different.

Truth. Guards need at least one year in D1 to be drafted on potential.  They need that one year to show they have that potential.  Look up Lenny Cooke for example.

Quote from: cjfish on February 07, 2016, 04:19:48 PM

If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier.  He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS.  He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level.  Thon Maker situation is different.

Truth. Guards need at least one year in D1 to be drafted on potential.  They need that one year to show they have that potential.  Look up Lenny Cooke for example.

Additionally, Alkins needs to prove that his advanced age and body are not the primary reasons for much of his success. He could very easily find himself playing four years on college otherwise.