NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion

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Re: Re: NIT
« Reply #320 on: March 20, 2013, 10:31:10 AM »
Just finished watching the game. Pissed I missed all the fun on this game thread ;)

Congrats to the team and big props to dom for making a bunch of huge plays including the game winner. Team showed real toughness coming back.

Unfortunately I still hold on to my beliefs that Lavin coaches this team poorly and our team plays very dumb. Whether that is due to his coaching or not does not make it any less bothersome.  Twice during the last minute up by 4 points and two points respectively, lavin had a chance to put his PG (no not phil greene) into the game but chose not two. Unsurprisingly both of those possessions ended poorly.

Lets go get one in Virginia!

"Poorly coached and dumb", yet we just beat a higher ranked team at their home stadium, who has a better record, in the post-season, who is coached by a pretty good coach, without our All-league shooting guard, with a team that can't shoot. 

Say what you will, but our biggest problem is really our shooting ability.  Part of that is related to the fact that we electively left 18-40ppg in D'Angelo Harrison to be a spectator.  Even without him, we advanced to the second round.  Cant be as dumb or poorly coached as being made out to be.  Time for all to just start supporting this team.  Time for the second round.

MCN I havn't, nor will I ever stop supporting this team.  Maybe you missed the part were I gave the team credit and congratulated them on a quality, gutsy win.

If you don't think this team is poorly coached than we just have a difference of opinions. Ive known that for a while though. Way to many bone headed lazy passes and to often careless with the ball. Maybe someone should tell Obkepa to stop holding the ball with one hand and to get back on defense instead of attempting to steal the ball 90 feet from the rim.

Again, our coach is coaching a team that can't shoot for beans to a road win against a higher ranked team in the post-season.  Coaching can't be all that bad considering how we shoot it.

One of the problems with being an unquestioning, rose colored glasses wearing fan is that when you're right about something, no one believes you and you dont even know why you're right.

For all the crazy in-game stuff Lavin did last night- continuing his quest to lead the country in timeouts before the 16 minute media timeout, his early burning of timeouts in general, having Garrett on the floor at the end of the game instead of Branch- he actually did the one thing that helped us win tonight: he ran a different offense.

No weave. No high pick and roll. Just a pretty basic 1-4 offense. Ball movement instead of aimless dribbling. More entry passes to the post than in all our other games combined. Sure, between Christian Jones and Obekpa it resulted in some of the ugliest post moves you'll ever see. But it also forced the defense to move, to collapse (or should I say collapse even further, because St Joes wouldnt defend anyone except Marco more than 15 feet from the basket despite the fact they were in man almost the whole game) and resulted in some easy buckets and even a few dunks!

So last night, Lavs deserves some credit for the victory. But just because they won doesnt make the previous criticism of him invalid...in fact it makes it more valid. If your team doesnt shoot it well, you dont throw your hands up and say oh well I guess we cant score. You certainly dont do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. Last night- FINALLY- they changed the offensive scheme to better fit the talent and the competition. Even as we give Lavin credit for the change, I think its very fair to ask "what took you so long??"

Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #321 on: March 20, 2013, 11:04:23 AM »
FTR- The Lipscomb stuff doesn't bother me at all.  He played a grand total of 7 minutes and the time I actually watched him on the court he did nothing that screamed "get him out of here".

 Much a do about nothing if you ask me.
But shouldn't be playing ahead of Marco...

Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #322 on: March 20, 2013, 11:04:56 AM »
FTR- The Lipscomb stuff doesn't bother me at all.  He played a grand total of 7 minutes and the time I actually watched him on the court he did nothing that screamed "get him out of here".

 Much a do about nothing if you ask me.
But shouldn't be playing ahead of Marco...

Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

Why wasn't Lipscomb playing vs. Gtown and Uconn then?
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #323 on: March 20, 2013, 11:07:59 AM »
Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

A month ago Lavin said that his best player D'Angelo Harrison could learn a lot about basketball from Bourgault. If Lavin thinks Bourgault is not good, what was he supposed to have taught Harrison, and what changed in the interim. A month a ago MB was starting, now he's not as good as a walk on? 

Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #324 on: March 20, 2013, 11:19:42 AM »
While Lavin certainly makes his share of head scratching coaching decisions during the course of a game I don't see how Phil Greene deciding to take a shot with 15 seconds left on the shot clock with 30 left in the game or Amir Garrett attempting a cross court pass that the whole world knew would be picked off is Coach's fault.  That's just players losing their mind at a bad time.

 

The first shot with phil was closer to 25 seconds left on the shot clock, and my point was that Lavin had a chance to put Branch into the game on both occasions. A kid who is a point guard and had 5 assists and 0 tournovers in 19 minutes of play. At that point in the game we didn't have to score another bucket in order to win. Im not blaming lavin for amir turning it over, I just think it was a big mistake not having branch in and one that a coach really shouldnt make.
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #325 on: March 20, 2013, 11:23:44 AM »

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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #326 on: March 20, 2013, 11:56:38 AM »
Nice pic of Dom fading for the game winner:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/20130320_It_s_all_over_for_Hawks.html

Nice pic. Loved his reaction after he hit it too--- and Lavin was jumping around like we won the Ncaa title.

Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #327 on: March 20, 2013, 01:45:56 PM »
Losing is bad.  Losing with players continually suffering disciplanary benchings and suspensions is worse.  We can't show up on time for the pre-post season tournament pasta?  Can't remember it ever getting this bad for relatively minor transgressions.

Feel better Felix!  We missed you.

Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #328 on: March 20, 2013, 02:32:34 PM »
Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

A month ago Lavin said that his best player D'Angelo Harrison could learn a lot about basketball from Bourgault. If Lavin thinks Bourgault is not good, what was he supposed to have taught Harrison, and what changed in the interim. A month a ago MB was starting, now he's not as good as a walk on? 

Linscomb and Bourgout play two different positions.
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #329 on: March 20, 2013, 02:40:04 PM »
Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

A month ago Lavin said that his best player D'Angelo Harrison could learn a lot about basketball from Bourgault. If Lavin thinks Bourgault is not good, what was he supposed to have taught Harrison, and what changed in the interim. A month a ago MB was starting, now he's not as good as a walk on? 

Linscomb and Bourgout play two different positions.

What positions are those?

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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #330 on: March 20, 2013, 02:47:08 PM »
Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

A month ago Lavin said that his best player D'Angelo Harrison could learn a lot about basketball from Bourgault. If Lavin thinks Bourgault is not good, what was he supposed to have taught Harrison, and what changed in the interim. A month a ago MB was starting, now he's not as good as a walk on? 

Linscomb and Bourgout play two different positions.

What positions are those?

Left out?
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #331 on: March 20, 2013, 03:03:50 PM »
Left out?

They both look like guards to me. They're both listed as guards on the roster. The both go out and stand in the corner the same way. Shurg.

Re: Re: NIT
« Reply #332 on: March 20, 2013, 03:16:37 PM »
FTR- The Lipscomb stuff doesn't bother me at all.  He played a grand total of 7 minutes and the time I actually watched him on the court he did nothing that screamed "get him out of here".

 Much a do about nothing if you ask me. 

Yes, he didn't really hurt us...I'm not even saying our scholarship players would have given us much more. But if this is supposed to be a learning experience for our players, don't you think you would rather have the guys who will be getting minutes next year in these games?? (ie Branch, Marco, CJ)

PS - I assume Felix is out with the injury he suffered in the BET, but has the team put out a statement regarding his status? I haven't seen anything

C'mon now.

Phil was late and got the seat. Felix is out.

Who is Coach suppose to play?

You really want Marco tryin to keep up wit those guards?

I mean I get if he wanted to punish Phil for being late and start Lipscomb. But he put him back in a tight game in the 2nd half. I know I'm nitpicking, but it's just odd to me

Over the years I noticed that Norm actually improved coaching-wise when he was short on personnel.  Seems the same for Steve.  Less complicated for coach and players alike.

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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #333 on: March 20, 2013, 03:45:49 PM »
FTR- The Lipscomb stuff doesn't bother me at all.  He played a grand total of 7 minutes and the time I actually watched him on the court he did nothing that screamed "get him out of here".

 Much a do about nothing if you ask me. 

Yes, he didn't really hurt us...I'm not even saying our scholarship players would have given us much more. But if this is supposed to be a learning experience for our players, don't you think you would rather have the guys who will be getting minutes next year in these games?? (ie Branch, Marco, CJ)

PS - I assume Felix is out with the injury he suffered in the BET, but has the team put out a statement regarding his status? I haven't seen anything

C'mon now.

Phil was late and got the seat. Felix is out.

Who is Coach suppose to play?

You really want Marco tryin to keep up wit those guards?

I mean I get if he wanted to punish Phil for being late and start Lipscomb. But he put him back in a tight game in the 2nd half. I know I'm nitpicking, but it's just odd to me

Over the years I noticed that Norm actually improved coaching-wise when he was short on personnel.  Seems the same for Steve.  Less complicated for coach and players alike.

I have this vivid memory of going to get a beer during the WV game where we were up by 18 at the half.
I recall knowing that we would lose this game. Sure enough we lost. By 18.

As a coach, during the game, the most consistent skill that is required is the half time adjustment. No one was worse than Norm Roberts. What he became over his last year was a better recruiter, because he found Hardy and Brownlee. He was just too stupid to start them.

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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #334 on: March 20, 2013, 03:47:09 PM »
FTR- The Lipscomb stuff doesn't bother me at all.  He played a grand total of 7 minutes and the time I actually watched him on the court he did nothing that screamed "get him out of here".

 Much a do about nothing if you ask me. 

Yes, he didn't really hurt us...I'm not even saying our scholarship players would have given us much more. But if this is supposed to be a learning experience for our players, don't you think you would rather have the guys who will be getting minutes next year in these games?? (ie Branch, Marco, CJ)

PS - I assume Felix is out with the injury he suffered in the BET, but has the team put out a statement regarding his status? I haven't seen anything

C'mon now.

Phil was late and got the seat. Felix is out.

Who is Coach suppose to play?

You really want Marco tryin to keep up wit those guards?

I mean I get if he wanted to punish Phil for being late and start Lipscomb. But he put him back in a tight game in the 2nd half. I know I'm nitpicking, but it's just odd to me

Over the years I noticed that Norm actually improved coaching-wise when he was short on personnel.  Seems the same for Steve.  Less complicated for coach and players alike.

I have this vivid memory of going to get a beer during the WV game where we were up by 18 at the half.
I recall knowing that we would lose this game. Sure enough we lost. By 18.

As a coach, during the game, the most consistent skill that is required is the half time adjustment. No one was worse than Norm Roberts. What he became over his last year was a better recruiter, because he found Hardy and Brownlee. He was just too stupid to start them.

That game was great.  I had WVU -7.  Dad is WVU grad he was worried at the half.  I said don't worry.  36 point swing or something.  Winner winner chicken dinner.  If I had to sit thru a loss might as well profit ;)
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #335 on: March 20, 2013, 05:32:27 PM »
No one knows how good or bad norm's halftime adjustments would have been. His teams were so much less talented then the teams we were playing. I remember the collapse against west Virginia. Don't remember exactly what happened. I think they went zone in second half. If your players suck, turn the ball over and can't shoot it tough to make adjustments.

Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #336 on: March 20, 2013, 06:02:17 PM »
No one knows how good or bad norm's halftime adjustments would have been. His teams were so much less talented then the teams we were playing. I remember the collapse against west Virginia. Don't remember exactly what happened. I think they went zone in second half. If your players suck, turn the ball over and can't shoot it tough to make adjustments.

We were up 13, remember Burrell having a big first half. That was the first halftime (and only) I have been happy at while attending a game. Huggy came out in a 1-3-1 with Ebanks at the top, meanwhile Desean Butler became unconscious from behind the arc. Think he hit 4 or 5 in the second half. 
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #337 on: March 20, 2013, 07:59:16 PM »
FTR- The Lipscomb stuff doesn't bother me at all.  He played a grand total of 7 minutes and the time I actually watched him on the court he did nothing that screamed "get him out of here".

 Much a do about nothing if you ask me. 

Yes, he didn't really hurt us...I'm not even saying our scholarship players would have given us much more. But if this is supposed to be a learning experience for our players, don't you think you would rather have the guys who will be getting minutes next year in these games?? (ie Branch, Marco, CJ)

PS - I assume Felix is out with the injury he suffered in the BET, but has the team put out a statement regarding his status? I haven't seen anything

C'mon now.

Phil was late and got the seat. Felix is out.

Who is Coach suppose to play?

You really want Marco tryin to keep up wit those guards?

I mean I get if he wanted to punish Phil for being late and start Lipscomb. But he put him back in a tight game in the 2nd half. I know I'm nitpicking, but it's just odd to me

Over the years I noticed that Norm actually improved coaching-wise when he was short on personnel.  Seems the same for Steve.  Less complicated for coach and players alike.

I have this vivid memory of going to get a beer during the WV game where we were up by 18 at the half.
I recall knowing that we would lose this game. Sure enough we lost. By 18.

As a coach, during the game, the most consistent skill that is required is the half time adjustment. No one was worse than Norm Roberts. What he became over his last year was a better recruiter, because he found Hardy and Brownlee. He was just too stupid to start them.

That game was great.  I had WVU -7.  Dad is WVU grad he was worried at the half.  I said don't worry.  36 point swing or something.  Winner winner chicken dinner.  If I had to sit thru a loss might as well profit ;)
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Re: NIT- St. Joe's Game Discussion
« Reply #338 on: March 20, 2013, 08:18:09 PM »
Why not?  Maybe Lavin just doesn't think Marco is that good

A month ago Lavin said that his best player D'Angelo Harrison could learn a lot about basketball from Bourgault. If Lavin thinks Bourgault is not good, what was he supposed to have taught Harrison, and what changed in the interim. A month a ago MB was starting, now he's not as good as a walk on?

Actually, I don't think Lavin said he could learn "a lot about basketball" from Marco.  I think he said he could learn a lot from Marco.  That could be about positive attitude, hair gel or Avec Belon oysters from Bretagne.  If you're going to use it though, you probably shouldn't make it your own by inserting your words.

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Re: Re: NIT
« Reply #339 on: March 20, 2013, 08:22:08 PM »
Just finished watching the game. Pissed I missed all the fun on this game thread ;)

Congrats to the team and big props to dom for making a bunch of huge plays including the game winner. Team showed real toughness coming back.

Unfortunately I still hold on to my beliefs that Lavin coaches this team poorly and our team plays very dumb. Whether that is due to his coaching or not does not make it any less bothersome.  Twice during the last minute up by 4 points and two points respectively, lavin had a chance to put his PG (no not phil greene) into the game but chose not two. Unsurprisingly both of those possessions ended poorly.

Lets go get one in Virginia!

"Poorly coached and dumb", yet we just beat a higher ranked team at their home stadium, who has a better record, in the post-season, who is coached by a pretty good coach, without our All-league shooting guard, with a team that can't shoot. 

Say what you will, but our biggest problem is really our shooting ability.  Part of that is related to the fact that we electively left 18-40ppg in D'Angelo Harrison to be a spectator.  Even without him, we advanced to the second round.  Cant be as dumb or poorly coached as being made out to be.  Time for all to just start supporting this team.  Time for the second round.

When someone says "Let's go get one in Virginia!", and is clearly pumped after a good win...that's usually a sign they're "supporting this team".

 And I'm not directing that just at you MCN, there's been a constant theme in the discussions lately that constructive criticism equates to treason.

Desco, is the criticism constructive when we all know that the coaches and players don't read a message board?  How does it help when no one who matters is reading it? We are good at criticizing, but it aint helping this team win.  But it sure must make a few feel a lot better because they do it a lot. 

Anyone hear from Linda lately?