NIT- Virginia Game Discussion

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 24, 2013, 03:11:51 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 02:45:32 PM

I have stayed off this site for some time now .  Mostly because I was being accused of only coming on after losses but I feel I have to make a couple of comments. 

1. As much as I was a Lavin supporter, and am still not calling for his job, if there was a grade given to his overall body of work this year it would be a D.  Sure we all like to say that our kids can't shoot straight, the refs were against us there were discipline issues on the team etc.  but the bottom line, as witnessed by today's performance, is that these kids as a whole have not only not progressed but have regressed in their total play on the court.  Between bone headed fouls and players not understanding their roles ( ala Amir Garret who now believes he can shoot ), poor usage and recognition by the staff of  players abilities to put them in a position where they can be team contributors, a continued lack of fundimentals etc. etc. etc., either coach has to re evaluate his talent level, bring in smarter players, take a crash course in x's and os or bring in an assistant and relegate himself to the role of motivator and cheer leader.

2.  For posters who are still ad nausium use the " young team" excuse.  The reality is that we have several players who have played two full seasons which in many programs, players don't even get the opportunity to pay till their Junior year.  The fact that we were schooled today by two frosh from Virginia kind of says something as well.

3.  While Moose would have you all believe that the teams demise came about as DLo was suspended, that is the furthest thing from the truth. If you have followed the team all year, the reality was that  in the later part of the season when the real games began, DLo contributed little if anything and caused much discord within the team.  Might we have won one more game with him, perhaps but it woulld have been a miserable experience watching it at best.

4. In terms of the Gods Gift fiasco.  I guess we will never know the truth on that one.  Why was he redshirted to begin with?  Certainly he would have improved our 297th ranking in rebounding differential.  And yes, Lavin did state that Gifts redshirt was tied into Sanchez's elegability whether posters on here want to agree with that or not so why then did Gift never return?

Once again, I am not calling for Lavins head at all but there are certainly several deficiencies in his game coaching, preparation/ game plan and recruiting, yes recruiting that need to be addressed.  The interesting thing is many on here claim Lavin to be a great recruiter?  If that's the case then why are we getting smoked by the likes of UVA and others.  If these kids are in fact great recruits then we have to put blame on the staff for their lack if development or, if they are not great recruits, then Lavins recruiting is suspect.  Which one is it, you can't have it both ways.

Hi Linda.  Hope your having a lovely weekend.  Check out how many points we scored a game without Mr Harrison.  Tell me how many games your going to win like that at this level.

Poison says the same thing as me. So does WASJU.  But yet you single me out?

Thanks!

But do you, in your heart believe that this team would have been better off with Harrison with the attitude he displayed? I think we would have been better off with a Harrison who had self control and was at the top of his game but prior to his being benched, he had neither and you know that. Did you watch the Syracuse game and believe that Harrison should not have been disciplined?  I am surprised that the coach of the day showed such restraint as to not have sent him to the locker room early. I turned the game off because of his antics. 

Are you insane?    You turned the game off because of his "antics"?
More than any of the other nonsense that's been perpetuated on the boards this season, this notion, that Harrison's demanor hurt us, is by far the biggest load of bs.

Do you know what you punish players for?   For what they do and say.   Not what they think.
Did he tell coach to go f himself?   Did he punch an opponent?   Refuse to go into the game?   
No?  Then his "antics" didn't hurt us that much, and everyone should get over it.

I have no problem with coach suspending D'angelo, but that's because many people have said he was unbelievably disruptive in practices.  Even trying to attack one of the assistants allegedly.   That's obviously grounds for suspension, and maybe what went on in practice did leave a bad taste in his teammates mouths.

But, to say his on court demeanor is what hurt us?   Please.     That's nonsense.   

The rumors of him attacking a coach are bull.  Lets just leave that one at the door.

 "That has to be one if not the most immature comment I have read on this board. It is hard to comprehend how an adult could even say it. Embarrassing!"

  par for the course.

Quote from: desco80 on March 24, 2013, 03:54:42 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 24, 2013, 03:11:51 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 02:45:32 PM

I have stayed off this site for some time now .  Mostly because I was being accused of only coming on after losses but I feel I have to make a couple of comments. 

1. As much as I was a Lavin supporter, and am still not calling for his job, if there was a grade given to his overall body of work this year it would be a D.  Sure we all like to say that our kids can't shoot straight, the refs were against us there were discipline issues on the team etc.  but the bottom line, as witnessed by today's performance, is that these kids as a whole have not only not progressed but have regressed in their total play on the court.  Between bone headed fouls and players not understanding their roles ( ala Amir Garret who now believes he can shoot ), poor usage and recognition by the staff of  players abilities to put them in a position where they can be team contributors, a continued lack of fundimentals etc. etc. etc., either coach has to re evaluate his talent level, bring in smarter players, take a crash course in x's and os or bring in an assistant and relegate himself to the role of motivator and cheer leader.

2.  For posters who are still ad nausium use the " young team" excuse.  The reality is that we have several players who have played two full seasons which in many programs, players don't even get the opportunity to pay till their Junior year.  The fact that we were schooled today by two frosh from Virginia kind of says something as well.

3.  While Moose would have you all believe that the teams demise came about as DLo was suspended, that is the furthest thing from the truth. If you have followed the team all year, the reality was that  in the later part of the season when the real games began, DLo contributed little if anything and caused much discord within the team.  Might we have won one more game with him, perhaps but it woulld have been a miserable experience watching it at best.

4. In terms of the Gods Gift fiasco.  I guess we will never know the truth on that one.  Why was he redshirted to begin with?  Certainly he would have improved our 297th ranking in rebounding differential.  And yes, Lavin did state that Gifts redshirt was tied into Sanchez's elegability whether posters on here want to agree with that or not so why then did Gift never return?

Once again, I am not calling for Lavins head at all but there are certainly several deficiencies in his game coaching, preparation/ game plan and recruiting, yes recruiting that need to be addressed.  The interesting thing is many on here claim Lavin to be a great recruiter?  If that's the case then why are we getting smoked by the likes of UVA and others.  If these kids are in fact great recruits then we have to put blame on the staff for their lack if development or, if they are not great recruits, then Lavins recruiting is suspect.  Which one is it, you can't have it both ways.

Hi Linda.  Hope your having a lovely weekend.  Check out how many points we scored a game without Mr Harrison.  Tell me how many games your going to win like that at this level.

Poison says the same thing as me. So does WASJU.  But yet you single me out?

Thanks!

But do you, in your heart believe that this team would have been better off with Harrison with the attitude he displayed? I think we would have been better off with a Harrison who had self control and was at the top of his game but prior to his being benched, he had neither and you know that. Did you watch the Syracuse game and believe that Harrison should not have been disciplined?  I am surprised that the coach of the day showed such restraint as to not have sent him to the locker room early. I turned the game off because of his antics. 

Are you insane?    You turned the game off because of his "antics"?
More than any of the other nonsense that's been perpetuated on the boards this season, this notion, that Harrison's demanor hurt us, is by far the biggest load of bs.

Do you know what you punish players for?   For what they do and say.   Not what they think.
Did he tell coach to go f himself?   Did he punch an opponent?   Refuse to go into the game?   
No?  Then his "antics" didn't hurt us that much, and everyone should get over it.

I have no problem with coach suspending D'angelo, but that's because many people have said he was unbelievably disruptive in practices.  Even trying to attack one of the assistants allegedly.   That's obviously grounds for suspension, and maybe what went on in practice did leave a bad taste in his teammates mouths.

But, to say his on court demeanor is what hurt us?   Please.     That's nonsense.   

The rumors of him attacking a coach are bull.  Lets just leave that one at the door.

Yea?  Ok, I'll take your word for it.   Then that's even more reason why everyone should lay off the D'angelo "antics".   
And if what you say is true Moose, then it really makes me wonder why coach felt he just had to suspend Harrison.   
 

Quote from: Dave on March 24, 2013, 12:56:23 PM

When Dom is only one running back on fast break and UVA has two guys trailing that is a problem.

That was poor.  I do think this team fights hard down to the wire, but they never showed the toughness it takes to win consistently.  I think this is one area where we'll see improvement next season.  Too many teams took the games away from them. They lost loose balls and even balls that were in their hands. This group needs to hit the weight room and develop more toughness between the ears.

I think this team and coach be a whole lot different. Marco can't play a lick,and won't. Steve can't be taking flyer's anymore if he wants the message to get through that 1st grade is over. I think Amir gets to stay if he accepts he's not part of the rotation. Branch has not shown he wants to be a starting point guard. He holds the ball and looks around. He's gotta learn nothing going to happen unless he gets going and makes it happen.  I think CO is going to be asked to deliver some offense, and I believe he will pay attention and improve. I don't think Steve will allow anyone the luxury of being dead wood. The message goes out to the guys they are there to win. That chippy stuff is not a substitute for playing hard, that and the dopey fouls will stop. I think Steve coached these guys like he was their mommy but no more. Steve is going to want to win, and if he must cut it down to 6 man rotation, I think he will. 

Quote from: paultzman on March 24, 2013, 12:49:33 PM

All kidding aside, we are a very flawed team that also doesn't play smart. Hope this can be corrected in off season, but just don't see how. Officiating was poor, but let's own up to rooting for a team with major deficiencies.

Agree in some ways, but even adding one talented wing forward like Sanchez could really, really help at both ends.  He's long and can do a lot of things.  We might have been in ncaa's this year if we hadn't benched D'Lo which makes it sooo important he's back.  We add another big guy like Gift inside, another real good shooter in Hooper, maybe if we are lucky Rysheed.  Couple at hopefully with improvement from existing team and we could be a bit better. 

People forget that we are playing a very good UVA team today and that is without by FAR our best player in Harrison.  We have flaws and are still missing pieces for sure.

Harrison not the best player if he's not on the floor playing like the best player. I wouldn't give Harrison a grade because it's not my place. I do think he had a lousy season especially not being with the guys to the end. It was his job to do the things to be out there with his teammates from start to finish, and he did not hold up his end of the deal. When he was out there he made some rough decisions, was sloppy, and at times coasted. Your only the best player if you do the things your supposed to do. There are 3 players on the team that have better ability's then Harrison. Hopefully next year is the year all the guys help each other get better.

Quote from: MCNPA on March 24, 2013, 12:56:37 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 24, 2013, 12:49:33 PM

All kidding aside, we are a very flawed team that also doesn't play smart. Hope this can be corrected in off season, but just don't see how. Officiating was poor, but let's own up to rooting for a team with major deficiencies.

Agree in some ways, but even adding one talented wing forward like Sanchez could really, really help at both ends.  He's long and can do a lot of things.  We might have been in ncaa's this year if we hadn't benched D'Lo which makes it sooo important he's back.  We add another big guy like Gift inside, another real good shooter in Hooper, maybe if we are lucky Rysheed.  Couple at hopefully with improvement from existing team and we could be a bit better. 

People forget that we are playing a very good UVA team today and that is without by FAR our best player in Harrison.  We have flaws and are still missing pieces for sure.

Harrison not the best player if he's not on the floor playing like the best player. I wouldn't give Harrison a grade because it's not my place. I do think he had a lousy season especially not being with the guys to the end. It was his job to do the things to be out there with his teammates from start to finish, and he did not hold up his end of the deal. When he was out there he made some rough decisions, was sloppy, and at times coasted. Your only the best player if you do the things your supposed to do. There are 3 players on the team that have better ability's then Harrison. Hopefully next year is the year all the guys help each other get better.

  Great post jr...

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 24, 2013, 03:11:51 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 02:45:32 PM

I have stayed off this site for some time now .  Mostly because I was being accused of only coming on after losses but I feel I have to make a couple of comments. 

1. As much as I was a Lavin supporter, and am still not calling for his job, if there was a grade given to his overall body of work this year it would be a D.  Sure we all like to say that our kids can't shoot straight, the refs were against us there were discipline issues on the team etc.  but the bottom line, as witnessed by today's performance, is that these kids as a whole have not only not progressed but have regressed in their total play on the court.  Between bone headed fouls and players not understanding their roles ( ala Amir Garret who now believes he can shoot ), poor usage and recognition by the staff of  players abilities to put them in a position where they can be team contributors, a continued lack of fundimentals etc. etc. etc., either coach has to re evaluate his talent level, bring in smarter players, take a crash course in x's and os or bring in an assistant and relegate himself to the role of motivator and cheer leader.

2.  For posters who are still ad nausium use the " young team" excuse.  The reality is that we have several players who have played two full seasons which in many programs, players don't even get the opportunity to pay till their Junior year.  The fact that we were schooled today by two frosh from Virginia kind of says something as well.

3.  While Moose would have you all believe that the teams demise came about as DLo was suspended, that is the furthest thing from the truth. If you have followed the team all year, the reality was that  in the later part of the season when the real games began, DLo contributed little if anything and caused much discord within the team.  Might we have won one more game with him, perhaps but it woulld have been a miserable experience watching it at best.

4. In terms of the Gods Gift fiasco.  I guess we will never know the truth on that one.  Why was he redshirted to begin with?  Certainly he would have improved our 297th ranking in rebounding differential.  And yes, Lavin did state that Gifts redshirt was tied into Sanchez's elegability whether posters on here want to agree with that or not so why then did Gift never return?

Once again, I am not calling for Lavins head at all but there are certainly several deficiencies in his game coaching, preparation/ game plan and recruiting, yes recruiting that need to be addressed.  The interesting thing is many on here claim Lavin to be a great recruiter?  If that's the case then why are we getting smoked by the likes of UVA and others.  If these kids are in fact great recruits then we have to put blame on the staff for their lack if development or, if they are not great recruits, then Lavins recruiting is suspect.  Which one is it, you can't have it both ways.

Hi Linda.  Hope your having a lovely weekend.  Check out how many points we scored a game without Mr Harrison.  Tell me how many games your going to win like that at this level.

Poison says the same thing as me. So does WASJU.  But yet you single me out?

Thanks!

But do you, in your heart believe that this team would have been better off with Harrison with the attitude he displayed? I think we would have been better off with a Harrison who had self control and was at the top of his game but prior to his being benched, he had neither and you know that. Did you watch the Syracuse game and believe that Harrison should not have been disciplined?  I am surprised that the coach of the day showed such restraint as to not have sent him to the locker room early. I turned the game off because of his antics. 

Are you insane?    You turned the game off because of his "antics"?
More than any of the other nonsense that's been perpetuated on the boards this season, this notion, that Harrison's demanor hurt us, is by far the biggest load of bs.

Do you know what you punish players for?   For what they do and say.   Not what they think.
Did he tell coach to go f himself?   Did he punch an opponent?   Refuse to go into the game?   
No?  Then his "antics" didn't hurt us that much, and everyone should get over it.

I have no problem with coach suspending D'angelo, but that's because many people have said he was unbelievably disruptive in practices.  Even trying to attack one of the assistants allegedly.   That's obviously grounds for suspension, and maybe what went on in practice did leave a bad taste in his teammates mouths.

But, to say his on court demeanor is what hurt us?   Please.     That's nonsense.

Your post is nonsense as you obviously did not watch the game as he completely ignored any semblence of team basketball and turned his back on the coach at time outs when his coach was giving instruction. And yes, if you knew anything about human nature, you would realize his demeanor did hurt the team as other players looked to him as a leader.  I know nothing of him attacking anyone, nor are my comments based on that.  But Lavin has a pretty easy going personality ( which was one reason why he was canned from UCLA as he was perceived as not a disciplinarian ), so if he suspended DLo, he must of had good reason to do so.

Quote from: desco80 on March 24, 2013, 03:54:42 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 03:35:54 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 24, 2013, 03:11:51 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on March 24, 2013, 02:45:32 PM

I have stayed off this site for some time now .  Mostly because I was being accused of only coming on after losses but I feel I have to make a couple of comments. 

1. As much as I was a Lavin supporter, and am still not calling for his job, if there was a grade given to his overall body of work this year it would be a D.  Sure we all like to say that our kids can't shoot straight, the refs were against us there were discipline issues on the team etc.  but the bottom line, as witnessed by today's performance, is that these kids as a whole have not only not progressed but have regressed in their total play on the court.  Between bone headed fouls and players not understanding their roles ( ala Amir Garret who now believes he can shoot ), poor usage and recognition by the staff of  players abilities to put them in a position where they can be team contributors, a continued lack of fundimentals etc. etc. etc., either coach has to re evaluate his talent level, bring in smarter players, take a crash course in x's and os or bring in an assistant and relegate himself to the role of motivator and cheer leader.

2.  For posters who are still ad nausium use the " young team" excuse.  The reality is that we have several players who have played two full seasons which in many programs, players don't even get the opportunity to pay till their Junior year.  The fact that we were schooled today by two frosh from Virginia kind of says something as well.

3.  While Moose would have you all believe that the teams demise came about as DLo was suspended, that is the furthest thing from the truth. If you have followed the team all year, the reality was that  in the later part of the season when the real games began, DLo contributed little if anything and caused much discord within the team.  Might we have won one more game with him, perhaps but it woulld have been a miserable experience watching it at best.

4. In terms of the Gods Gift fiasco.  I guess we will never know the truth on that one.  Why was he redshirted to begin with?  Certainly he would have improved our 297th ranking in rebounding differential.  And yes, Lavin did state that Gifts redshirt was tied into Sanchez's elegability whether posters on here want to agree with that or not so why then did Gift never return?

Once again, I am not calling for Lavins head at all but there are certainly several deficiencies in his game coaching, preparation/ game plan and recruiting, yes recruiting that need to be addressed.  The interesting thing is many on here claim Lavin to be a great recruiter?  If that's the case then why are we getting smoked by the likes of UVA and others.  If these kids are in fact great recruits then we have to put blame on the staff for their lack if development or, if they are not great recruits, then Lavins recruiting is suspect.  Which one is it, you can't have it both ways.

Hi Linda.  Hope your having a lovely weekend.  Check out how many points we scored a game without Mr Harrison.  Tell me how many games your going to win like that at this level.

Poison says the same thing as me. So does WASJU.  But yet you single me out?

Thanks!

But do you, in your heart believe that this team would have been better off with Harrison with the attitude he displayed? I think we would have been better off with a Harrison who had self control and was at the top of his game but prior to his being benched, he had neither and you know that. Did you watch the Syracuse game and believe that Harrison should not have been disciplined?  I am surprised that the coach of the day showed such restraint as to not have sent him to the locker room early. I turned the game off because of his antics. 

Are you insane?    You turned the game off because of his "antics"?
More than any of the other nonsense that's been perpetuated on the boards this season, this notion, that Harrison's demanor hurt us, is by far the biggest load of bs.

Do you know what you punish players for?   For what they do and say.   Not what they think.
Did he tell coach to go f himself?   Did he punch an opponent?   Refuse to go into the game?   
No?  Then his "antics" didn't hurt us that much, and everyone should get over it.

I have no problem with coach suspending D'angelo, but that's because many people have said he was unbelievably disruptive in practices.  Even trying to attack one of the assistants allegedly.   That's obviously grounds for suspension, and maybe what went on in practice did leave a bad taste in his teammates mouths.

But, to say his on court demeanor is what hurt us?   Please.     That's nonsense.

Your post is nonsense as you obviously did not watch the game as he completely ignored any semblence of team basketball and turned his back on the coach at time outs when his coach was giving instruction. And yes, if you knew anything about human nature, you would realize his demeanor did hurt the team as other players looked to him as a leader.  I know nothing of him attacking anyone, nor are my comments based on that.  But Lavin has a pretty easy going personality ( which was one reason why he was canned from UCLA as he was perceived as not a disciplinarian ), so if he suspended DLo, he must of had good reason to do so.

Linda, you turned off the game because you didn't like the way Harrison was looking at coach Hines.    That tells us all we need to know.

I'm far from being an apologist.   Take issue with our stupid weave offense.   Get on coach for using a different rotation in almost every game this season.   
Ask why on earth we can't recruit anyone who weighs more than 170lbs.   ... All of that and more is fair game.

But your insistence that D'angelo's demeanor was a big factor in why the team struggled, is ridiculous.    You don't punish a player for making faces, or looking down, or what you assume he's thinking.    Was he listening in the huddle?  Did he hear the play that was called?   Ok then.    You make him run a few extra suicides, and talk to him in your office later in the week about the eye rolling stuff.   Otherwise, it's really a non issue. 
I absolutely think we would have been better off with Harrison, even with any attitude problem you perceive. 
And no, I don't think the Syracuse game was evidence of any inexplicable behavior.   

I can live with players who demonstrate a little frustration, and maybe role their eyes.   I punish guys for behavior that is actually detrimental to team.   

Plan, Felix redshirts next season, Marco decides to play some kind of ball in france and either Amir decides to focus on baseball full time or Christian Jones decides to transfer. Max replaces Marco which he can't do any worse, Gift is Back with Sanchez and D'lo and we grab Jordan. Starting five would be D'lo, Jordan in backcourt with Obekpa Sampson and Sanchez up front, Dom and Phil first of bench followed by Max and another couple of recruits who we pick up similar to Christian Jones this season. Hopefully we can win 19-21 games being in the new league.

And Branch dons the Johnny Thunderbird suit and becomes our mascot. (?)

Quote from: erickthered on March 24, 2013, 03:49:58 PM

Plan, Felix redshirts next season, Marco decides to play some kind of ball in france and either Amir decides to focus on baseball full time or Christian Jones decides to transfer. Max replaces Marco which he can't do any worse, Gift is Back with Sanchez and D'lo and we grab Jordan. Starting five would be D'lo, Jordan in backcourt with Obekpa Sampson and Sanchez up front, Dom and Phil first of bench followed by Max and another couple of recruits who we pick up similar to Christian Jones this season. Hopefully we can win 19-21 games being in the new league.

And Branch dons the Johnny Thunderbird suit and becomes our mascot. (?)

And we all have another beer

Why was our goal in this game to get everybody playing time instead of trying to win the game?

Why are we playing walkons?  Last year we had 6 and Dunlap didn't play walkons.  Just left shaking my head at personnel decisions today.

Why was our goal in this game to get everybody playing time instead of trying to win the game?

Why are we playing walkons?  Last year we had 6 and Dunlap didn't play walkons.  Just left shaking my head at personnel decisions today.

Wait till Greene's minutes get trimmed.  Then imagine your reaction to personnel decisions.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on March 24, 2013, 10:51:54 PM

Why was our goal in this game to get everybody playing time instead of trying to win the game?

Why are we playing walkons?  Last year we had 6 and Dunlap didn't play walkons.  Just left shaking my head at personnel decisions today.

Wait till Greene's minutes get trimmed.  Then imagine your reaction to personnel decisions.

Will never happen.  The squares 35+ a night are like death and taxes for the next two seasons.  At least Hollywood is handling playing time correctly in this case.

Quote from: Moose on March 24, 2013, 10:53:12 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on March 24, 2013, 10:51:54 PM

Why was our goal in this game to get everybody playing time instead of trying to win the game?

Why are we playing walkons?  Last year we had 6 and Dunlap didn't play walkons.  Just left shaking my head at personnel decisions today.

Wait till Greene's minutes get trimmed.  Then imagine your reaction to personnel decisions.

Will never happen.  The squares 35+ a night are like death and taxes for the next two seasons.  At least Hollywood is handling playing time correctly in this case.

Definitely the leading Wooden candidate next year

Quote from: mjmaherjr on March 24, 2013, 11:38:50 AM

damn our guys have to move without the ball. They are just standing around

Tape a cheetah to their back?

Seems like you thought about this before?

These are easily the worst refs I have ever seen...............

How soon we forget about those UCLA refs 

Why was our goal in this game to get everybody playing time instead of trying to win the game?

Why are we playing walkons?  Last year we had 6 and Dunlap didn't play walkons.  Just left shaking my head at personnel decisions today.

+1

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 24, 2013, 11:40:30 AM

Quote from: mjmaherjr on March 24, 2013, 11:38:50 AM

damn our guys have to move without the ball. They are just standing around

Tape a cheetah to their back?

Seems like you thought about this before?

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