DePaul Game

Guys, relax. This is all part of the maturation process.

Quote from: goredmen on January 14, 2014, 09:19:51 PM

Quote from: simplyred on January 14, 2014, 09:16:59 PM

Why the pass to Hooper for a 3 when all we needed was a 2 for the win.  Jordan should have taken it all the way to the basket and hit a layup or draw a foul.

what was he suppose to do with this timeout? What he suppose to do with Rysheed holding the ball as the 24 second clock is winding down and he is frozen. I am sure he set up the play for Sanchez to shoot the three, you guys have to blame somebody.

This one is on the players. You all talk about Hooper how about Achiewa, who played a nice game and Lavin kept in game.
Because Lav over-coached and burned that last timeout for no reason

You're right. Lavin deserves no blame for this one. Its not his fault that Branch only played 2 minutes in the 2nd half despite being the team's best player in the 1st half. Lavin wasn't the one that played Hooper the last 8 minutes even though he contributed literally 0 the entire 2nd half. It's not Lavin's fault that the team went into complete 1 on 1 mode on offense over the last 6 minutes. Not his fault the team still has no idea how to defend any type screen, on the ball or away from the ball. Not his fault that his zone sucks. I can keep going

Just wait til February....2015.

At least people here and on rm.com aren't buying into the excuses for years too long like they did with Norm.  Results or out, enough with the excuses and only getting worse.  It's too bad the administration will keep him around for three years too long.

Game coach not! Can recruit.

I just...I just can't.

At least people here and on rm.com aren't buying into the excuses for years too long like they did with Norm.  Results or out, enough with the excuses and only getting worse.  It's too bad the administration will keep him around for three years too long.

SJU still needs to replace Fr. Harington, whenever that might be...just like under Harrington reign basketball will be a low priority for awhile.

Anxiously waiting for first post from Optimist's Club referencing. SJU still having chance to make NCAAs if we sweep through BE Tourney.

Quote from: Dan on January 14, 2014, 09:45:13 PM

At least people here and on rm.com aren't buying into the excuses for years too long like they did with Norm.  Results or out, enough with the excuses and only getting worse.  It's too bad the administration will keep him around for three years too long.

SJU still needs to replace Fr. Harington, whenever that might be...just like under Harrington reign basketball will be a low priority for awhile.

It's sad.

What's the worst about all this is that Lavin was the best candidate at the time - even Seth Greenberg didn'r want the job.  So they hired a guy out of the game for years and was fired from his last gig for not being able to coach.  Not sure why they thought years at ESPN would do the trick, but...again, what other options did they have

Quote from: nudginator59 on January 14, 2014, 09:50:53 PM

Quote from: Dan on January 14, 2014, 09:45:13 PM

At least people here and on rm.com aren't buying into the excuses for years too long like they did with Norm.  Results or out, enough with the excuses and only getting worse.  It's too bad the administration will keep him around for three years too long.

SJU still needs to replace Fr. Harington, whenever that might be...just like under Harrington reign basketball will be a low priority for awhile.

It's sad.

What's the worst about all this is that Lavin was the best candidate at the time - even Seth Greenberg didn'r want the job.  So they hired a guy out of the game for years and was fired from his last gig for not being able to coach.  Not sure why they thought years at ESPN would do the trick, but...again, what other options did they have

See, that's where we differ.   I think Lavin's gotta go after this season.   But I don't think it was a bad hire.   I think it was worth a shot, but it just didn't work out.
But I don't blame the school for hiring Lavin in the first place, he had a resume that suggested he could recruit, be a face for the program, and win some games even if he wasn't known for getting the most out of his teams at UCLA.   He still was a good candidate for the job.

But now it's a few years later, and he's clearly not getting the job done.   There's no value in being stubborn and riding this out for a few more years.

Press going to start being critical?

@KieranDarcy: St. John's season hits a new low with loss to DePaul, including a highly questionable end-of-game lineup: http://t.co/AeBfuvL3UF

Quote from: Dan on January 14, 2014, 09:53:24 PM

Quote from: nudginator59 on January 14, 2014, 09:50:53 PM

Quote from: Dan on January 14, 2014, 09:45:13 PM

At least people here and on rm.com aren't buying into the excuses for years too long like they did with Norm.  Results or out, enough with the excuses and only getting worse.  It's too bad the administration will keep him around for three years too long.

SJU still needs to replace Fr. Harington, whenever that might be...just like under Harrington reign basketball will be a low priority for awhile.

It's sad.

What's the worst about all this is that Lavin was the best candidate at the time - even Seth Greenberg didn'r want the job.  So they hired a guy out of the game for years and was fired from his last gig for not being able to coach.  Not sure why they thought years at ESPN would do the trick, but...again, what other options did they have

See, that's where we differ.   I think Lavin's gotta go after this season.   But I don't think it was a bad hire.   I think it was worth a shot, but it just didn't work out.
But I don't blame the school for hiring Lavin in the first place, he had a resume that suggested he could recruit, be a face for the program, and win some games even if he wasn't known for getting the most out of his teams at UCLA.   He still was a good candidate for the job.

But now it's a few years later, and he's clearly not getting the job done.   There's no value in being stubborn and riding this out for a few more years.

I agree it was a good hire...the other coaches that declined to come to SJU are not really doing anything. What MAY scare coaches is the program is where their careers comes to die. Fran, Jarvis, and Roberts have all flamed out.

What Lavin has done is bring a buzz and a face to an historically great program. He has the charisma to succeed and make SJU relevant in NYC, but the wins are not coming.

I still say wait until the end if the year because this team has been improving every year...if he can do something this year, he would have continued moving the program in the right direction.

Press going to start being critical?

@KieranDarcy: St. John's season hits a new low with loss to DePaul, including a highly questionable end-of-game lineup: http://t.co/AeBfuvL3UF

Doubt it makes much of a difference.  2 big factors in the way: (a) SJU still doesn't have a university president (b) SJU might have the worst athletic director in college sports.

The university will let Lavin coach his seniors (i.e. Harrison, Greene, Pointer, Branch) and make a decision at that point.

Why the pass to Hooper for a 3 when all we needed was a 2 for the tie.  Jordan should have taken it all the way to the basket and hit a layup or draw a foul.

What are the chances that's exactly what the used car salesman drew up in their final timeout

Quote from: simplyred on January 14, 2014, 09:16:59 PM

Why the pass to Hooper for a 3 when all we needed was a 2 for the tie.  Jordan should have taken it all the way to the basket and hit a layup or draw a foul.

What are the chances that's exactly what the used car salesman drew up in their final timeout

During the timeout before the Sanchez 3 from the corner Lavin didn't use a whiteboard, I can tell you that.

Quote from: redmen not storm on January 14, 2014, 10:24:13 PM

Quote from: simplyred on January 14, 2014, 09:16:59 PM

Why the pass to Hooper for a 3 when all we needed was a 2 for the tie.  Jordan should have taken it all the way to the basket and hit a layup or draw a foul.

What are the chances that's exactly what the used car salesman drew up in their final timeout

During the timeout before the Sanchez 3 from the corner Lavin didn't use a whiteboard, I can tell you that.

He has a whiteboard?

Anxiously waiting for first post from Optimist's Club referencing. SJU still having chance to make NCAAs if we sweep through BE Tourney.

Lavs did say we were going to mesh by february....

Also, got a question for anybody thats in the know: What is Keady's role in all of this? Does he not really contribute all that much, or does Lavin ignore it? You would think that having a somewhat legendary coach by your side, easy to fix "blunders" would not be happening time and time again. At least Keady's ability to look at various players and tell Lav's that they aren't contributing.

This season has been very disappointing thus far.   

It's beginning to look a lot like the Norm Roberts ERROR!     For those saying Lavin isn't going anywhere that's what some continued to maintain about Norm. If things continue to go south and recruiting falls off Lavin may leave of his own accord to spare the embarrassment of being a BE bottom feeder. Of course he will spin leaving in his own inimitable way. Lavin is a born salesman who came out of the womb selling umbilical cords and bottled afterbirth!