Seton Hall game thread

We doubled their assist total (17-8) and had only 11 turnovers to their 18.  You can't knock Coach for this game.

The guys freeze up in the closing minutes...no surprise when they are 0-5 in the season with four collapses in the final minutes.  The confidence level was as low as ever, and hopefully this is something they can build on .  The 0-for is gone in conference play and they have a two game winning streak.  The monkey might be off their backs!

FWIW, Dom should never be in the game in that situation let alone playing any kind of decision-making role.  Lavin's misplaced trust in Dom and in Dom's abilities are his greatest weakness as coach of St. John's.  He's an athletic wing with poor skills, utilize him properly for the love of God!!!

Marillac, reread your post. You contradict yourself. You say you cant blame lavin for the game. Then you blame lavin for having dom in that situation.

I was 2 rows from the court and our bench

You mean you started the thread looking for tickets and ended up rubbing elbows with Ms. Jarou?  Ain't America grand?

Quote from: capmaker on January 24, 2014, 02:50:18 PM

Would it be reasonable or appropriate to question why Pointer was the person in-bounding the ball as opposed to somebody else?

Probably because they wanted Dlo and Branch to be the ones trying to get open as they are smaller and quicker.

I think it was 3'lo and Jordan.  I don't think the Aggie was permitted to sub back in so we were stuck with DR and Double G in the game.

Quote from: Marillac on January 25, 2014, 12:28:17 AM

We doubled their assist total (17-8) and had only 11 turnovers to their 18.  You can't knock Coach for this game.

The guys freeze up in the closing minutes...no surprise when they are 0-5 in the season with four collapses in the final minutes.  The confidence level was as low as ever, and hopefully this is something they can build on .  The 0-for is gone in conference play and they have a two game winning streak.  The monkey might be off their backs!

FWIW, Dom should never be in the game in that situation let alone playing any kind of decision-making role.  Lavin's misplaced trust in Dom and in Dom's abilities are his greatest weakness as coach of St. John's.  He's an athletic wing with poor skills, utilize him properly for the love of God!!!

Marillac, reread your post. You contradict yourself. You say you cant blame lavin for the game. Then you blame lavin for having dom in that situation.

Hahaha I realized some would take it that way while posting, but I just had to throw in my anti-Dom comment regardless.  The reality is they outplayed SH and the staff certainly out-coached SH's staff.  The kids froze up like usual at the end, but that is not coaching.  It's an 0-5 Big East team in a win-now town.  The problem for Lavin, is who comes in for Dom?  It can't be Sampson, he's just as bad there.

I just can't stand the kid lately.  ONE REBOUND in 22 minutes!!!!!  More mistakes with the game on the line?  Do the dirty work and get out of the way, man! 

Quote from: paultzman on January 24, 2014, 09:45:25 AM

As much as I criticize SL's coaching, I must say there were several instances down the stretch where players rushed poor shots, instead of getting ball to a guard and resetting.  SH fan next to me noted kindly, "You guys seem talented, but certainly don't play smart". Can't argue with that.

Paultz,  talk about lack of smarts -  100 SH students loudly showed up with 10 minutes to left on the clock.   They thought the game was at MSG.   

No, their bus driver did

Quote from: Tiznow on January 25, 2014, 12:33:40 AM

Quote from: paultzman on January 24, 2014, 09:45:25 AM

As much as I criticize SL's coaching, I must say there were several instances down the stretch where players rushed poor shots, instead of getting ball to a guard and resetting.  SH fan next to me noted kindly, "You guys seem talented, but certainly don't play smart". Can't argue with that.

Paultz,  talk about lack of smarts -  100 SH students loudly showed up with 10 minutes to left on the clock.   They thought the game was at MSG.   

No, their bus driver did

Maybe he is a Johnny fan.  He did us a favor.  They were a vocal group.

Quote from: boo3 on January 24, 2014, 10:46:02 AM

While it isn't the greatest play by any stretch...As a last resort, with no timeouts ( yes, we should have saved one),  what other play is there?

Either a 5 second call or turnover under our own basket is a disaster scenario. 

In all seriousness,  aren't they taught to do exactly that?  Obviously not throw it out of bounds without anyone touching it, but get the ball as far away from hoop as possible? 

I was kind've surprised dom didn't throw it off the defenders leg, that's his go-to move when we're having trouble inbounding the ball.

In all seriousness though, it wasn't a terrible play.   In some ways it could even be considered a smart thing to do.   

Both options (long pass vs. off the defender) carry risk...the long pass had less risk...gave us agita but at least he had the sense to heave it at a speed that allowed the possibility of reaching it... I sit down that end and thought that Orlando could have attempted to gain control...would have watch on replay to see if he could have...heads up play nonetheless

Quote from: desco80 on January 24, 2014, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: boo3 on January 24, 2014, 10:46:02 AM

While it isn't the greatest play by any stretch...As a last resort, with no timeouts ( yes, we should have saved one),  what other play is there?

Either a 5 second call or turnover under our own basket is a disaster scenario. 

In all seriousness,  aren't they taught to do exactly that?  Obviously not throw it out of bounds without anyone touching it, but get the ball as far away from hoop as possible? 

I was kind've surprised dom didn't throw it off the defenders leg, that's his go-to move when we're having trouble inbounding the ball.

In all seriousness though, it wasn't a terrible play.   In some ways it could even be considered a smart thing to do.   

Both options (long pass vs. off the defender) carry risk...the long pass had less risk...gave us agita but at least he had the sense to heave it at a speed that allowed the possibility of reaching it... I sit down that end and thought that Orlando could have attempted to gain control...would have watch on replay to see if he could have...heads up play nonetheless

Definitely should have attempted to catch it. He hit it before he got to the block.

Quote from: section3 on January 25, 2014, 11:34:45 AM

Quote from: desco80 on January 24, 2014, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: boo3 on January 24, 2014, 10:46:02 AM

While it isn't the greatest play by any stretch...As a last resort, with no timeouts ( yes, we should have saved one),  what other play is there?

Either a 5 second call or turnover under our own basket is a disaster scenario. 

In all seriousness,  aren't they taught to do exactly that?  Obviously not throw it out of bounds without anyone touching it, but get the ball as far away from hoop as possible? 

I was kind've surprised dom didn't throw it off the defenders leg, that's his go-to move when we're having trouble inbounding the ball.

In all seriousness though, it wasn't a terrible play.   In some ways it could even be considered a smart thing to do.   

Both options (long pass vs. off the defender) carry risk...the long pass had less risk...gave us agita but at least he had the sense to heave it at a speed that allowed the possibility of reaching it... I sit down that end and thought that Orlando could have attempted to gain control...would have watch on replay to see if he could have...heads up play nonetheless

Definitely should have attempted to catch it. He hit it before he got to the block.

Safer bet hitting it out.  If he tried to grab it momentum would have taken him dangerously close to end line and an out of bounds call.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 25, 2014, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: section3 on January 25, 2014, 11:34:45 AM

Quote from: desco80 on January 24, 2014, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: boo3 on January 24, 2014, 10:46:02 AM

While it isn't the greatest play by any stretch...As a last resort, with no timeouts ( yes, we should have saved one),  what other play is there?

Either a 5 second call or turnover under our own basket is a disaster scenario. 

In all seriousness,  aren't they taught to do exactly that?  Obviously not throw it out of bounds without anyone touching it, but get the ball as far away from hoop as possible? 

I was kind've surprised dom didn't throw it off the defenders leg, that's his go-to move when we're having trouble inbounding the ball.

In all seriousness though, it wasn't a terrible play.   In some ways it could even be considered a smart thing to do.   

Both options (long pass vs. off the defender) carry risk...the long pass had less risk...gave us agita but at least he had the sense to heave it at a speed that allowed the possibility of reaching it... I sit down that end and thought that Orlando could have attempted to gain control...would have watch on replay to see if he could have...heads up play nonetheless

Definitely should have attempted to catch it. He hit it before he got to the block.

Safer bet hitting it out.  If he tried to grab it momentum would have taken him dangerously close to end line and an out of bounds call.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not. What is the risk of running out of bounds with the ball though? It's the same as him tipping it out. Best case scenerio is he keep it in bounds and is fouled.

6'9" 230 running full speed ahead.  Easy for us to day just grab it. 

Doesn't matter.  Ended up working in our favor whether intentional or not. 

6'9" 230 running full speed ahead.  Easy for us to day just grab it. 

Doesn't matter.  Ended up working in our favor whether intentional or not. 

If you see the picture I have of it I promise you it is not a far fetched idea in the least bit

Quote from: Moose on January 25, 2014, 02:29:58 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 25, 2014, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: section3 on January 25, 2014, 11:34:45 AM

Quote from: desco80 on January 24, 2014, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: boo3 on January 24, 2014, 10:46:02 AM

While it isn't the greatest play by any stretch...As a last resort, with no timeouts ( yes, we should have saved one),  what other play is there?

Either a 5 second call or turnover under our own basket is a disaster scenario. 

In all seriousness,  aren't they taught to do exactly that?  Obviously not throw it out of bounds without anyone touching it, but get the ball as far away from hoop as possible? 

I was kind've surprised dom didn't throw it off the defenders leg, that's his go-to move when we're having trouble inbounding the ball.

In all seriousness though, it wasn't a terrible play.   In some ways it could even be considered a smart thing to do.   

Both options (long pass vs. off the defender) carry risk...the long pass had less risk...gave us agita but at least he had the sense to heave it at a speed that allowed the possibility of reaching it... I sit down that end and thought that Orlando could have attempted to gain control...would have watch on replay to see if he could have...heads up play nonetheless

Definitely should have attempted to catch it. He hit it before he got to the block.

Safer bet hitting it out.  If he tried to grab it momentum would have taken him dangerously close to end line and an out of bounds call.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not. What is the risk of running out of bounds with the ball though? It's the same as him tipping it out. Best case scenerio is he keep it in bounds and is fouled.

Don't see where my response could have been sarcastic.  By hitting it out he was established in bounds.  If he went further it could have been deemed he was out when he touched it there ball back to the other side of the court.  My seats are perfectly aligned with that baseline.  You say you have a picture.  Show it then because I only saw it live.  And momentum would IMO have taken him dangerously closer to the line and being called out when touching it.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 25, 2014, 02:52:22 PM

Quote from: Moose on January 25, 2014, 02:29:58 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 25, 2014, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: section3 on January 25, 2014, 11:34:45 AM

Quote from: desco80 on January 24, 2014, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: boo3 on January 24, 2014, 10:46:02 AM

While it isn't the greatest play by any stretch...As a last resort, with no timeouts ( yes, we should have saved one),  what other play is there?

Either a 5 second call or turnover under our own basket is a disaster scenario. 

In all seriousness,  aren't they taught to do exactly that?  Obviously not throw it out of bounds without anyone touching it, but get the ball as far away from hoop as possible? 

I was kind've surprised dom didn't throw it off the defenders leg, that's his go-to move when we're having trouble inbounding the ball.

In all seriousness though, it wasn't a terrible play.   In some ways it could even be considered a smart thing to do.   

Both options (long pass vs. off the defender) carry risk...the long pass had less risk...gave us agita but at least he had the sense to heave it at a speed that allowed the possibility of reaching it... I sit down that end and thought that Orlando could have attempted to gain control...would have watch on replay to see if he could have...heads up play nonetheless

Definitely should have attempted to catch it. He hit it before he got to the block.

Safer bet hitting it out.  If he tried to grab it momentum would have taken him dangerously close to end line and an out of bounds call.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not. What is the risk of running out of bounds with the ball though? It's the same as him tipping it out. Best case scenerio is he keep it in bounds and is fouled.

Don't see where my response could have been sarcastic.  By hitting it out he was established in bounds.  If he went further it could have been deemed he was out when he touched it there ball back to the other side of the court.  My seats are perfectly aligned with that baseline.  You say you have a picture.  Show it then because I only saw it live.  And momentum would IMO have taken him dangerously closer to the line and being called out when touching it.

You are often sarcastic. Didn't mean anything by it. Later I will try to post the picture. My point is that he had plenty of space to attempt to grab it before he's feet reached out of play. If he couldn't get control of it he still would have had the same result as if he pushed it out like he did.

I arrived late due to bad traffic.  Did Phil really air ball a layup?  Uncontested?  If so,  it's the first time we've seen a play like that since Cedric Jackson.

I arrived late due to bad traffic.  Did Phil really air ball a layup?  Uncontested?  If so,  it's the first time we've seen a play like that since Cedric Jackson.

Until branch did it later that half lol