Villanova Game 2

Quote from: JimS1982 on February 23, 2014, 10:22:46 AM

Quote from: Foad on February 23, 2014, 09:21:18 AM

Quote from: JimS1982 on February 22, 2014, 10:06:16 PM

I blame this game on the ref's more then the players. 

Spoken like a true Saint John's fan

That should not have been a travel call.  They were fouling D'Lo all game long with no calls being made...  That threw him off big time which threw off the whole rhythm of the team...

Stop blubbering. It was a winnable game we lost because of poor execution down the stretch. The end.

One thing I like about Doc is that he never complains about the officiating.  I admire that.

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

Quote from: Marillac on February 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

21-12 puts us on the bubble. It would come down to how other bubble teams finish out the season. Has anyone looked at the A10 standings lately? I think GW, at 20-7 is in 7th place. Yikes.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2014, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

21-12 puts us on the bubble. It would come down to how other bubble teams finish out the season. Has anyone looked at the A10 standings lately? I think GW, at 20-7 is in 7th place. Yikes.

Don't forget about bids being stolen in conference tournaments. If Wichita slips up in the MVC tourney that's one less bubble team that gets in. Maybe St Bonaventure will win the the A10 tournament again like they did 2 years ago which most likely cost Seton Hall a bid

Quote from: Marillac on February 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

There really is no reason we shouldn't beat all three.  Marquette is a tough place to play, but their back court is awful.  They have a good front court for those dumb enough to fall into their style of play, but their back court is inferior.  We smoked that at MSG and there really is no good reason we can't beat them by 15+ in Milwaukee. They do a good job taking care of the bottom teams and a few teams in the middle, but they can't compete against the top of the conference.  They are 0-for the season against us, Nova, and Creighton.  Hopefully they lose 2/3 before we meet up and have nothing  to play for.  We match up very well against them because they are sloppy, turnover prone, and a terrible shooting team.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2014, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

There really is no reason we shouldn't beat all three.  Marquette is a tough place to play, but their back court is awful.  They have a good front court for those dumb enough to fall into their style of play, but their back court is inferior.  We smoked that at MSG and there really is no good reason we can't beat them by 15+ in Milwaukee. They do a good job taking care of the bottom teams and a few teams in the middle, but they can't compete against the top of the conference.  They are 0-for the season against us, Nova, and Creighton.  Hopefully they lose 2/3 before we meet up and have nothing  to play for.  We match up very well against them because they are sloppy, turnover prone, and a terrible shooting team.

Concur Marillac.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2014, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

They do a good job taking care of the bottom teams and a few teams in the middle, but they can't compete against the top of the conference.  They are 0-for the season against us, Nova, and Creighton.  Hopefully they lose 2/3 before we meet up and have nothing  to play for.  We match up very well against them because they are sloppy, turnover prone, and a terrible shooting team.

We are 1-for the season against Xavier, Nova and Creighton. Yes we played some close games but still going to Marquette will not be an easy game.

Xavier tomorrow night is a big game for us, as you all know.

We need to win 4 more games and we cannot lose to Depaul.  Simple as that.  3 wins and 21-12 may sound great, but our profile is paper thin at the top.  We have 1 top 50 win.  Yes, 1 win.  I don't care if you play the top 10 30 times; if you only win one, it doesn't look good.  Thank god the bubble is soft (don't they say that every year?).
This is where playing in the BE could be our death knell.  Not that it is a bad conference - I actually think it's stronger than most others seem to think.  But ON PAPER, we have two top 50 teams.  So even if we end up with 5 or 6 wins against GU, MU, X, and PU, none of them will be "top 50" wins.  Sure, I know as well as all of you that beating the no. 45 RPI is no better than the no. 55, but on paper it looks as such.

there really is no good reason we can't beat them by 15+ in Milwaukee.

I can think of 95 reasons: Lavin's IQ.

We need to win 4 more games and we cannot lose to Depaul.  Simple as that.  3 wins and 21-12 may sound great, but our profile is paper thin at the top.  We have 1 top 50 win.  Yes, 1 win.  I don't care if you play the top 10 30 times; if you only win one, it doesn't look good.  Thank god the bubble is soft (don't they say that every year?).
This is where playing in the BE could be our death knell.  Not that it is a bad conference - I actually think it's stronger than most others seem to think.  But ON PAPER, we have two top 50 teams.  So even if we end up with 5 or 6 wins against GU, MU, X, and PU, none of them will be "top 50" wins.  Sure, I know as well as all of you that beating the no. 45 RPI is no better than the no. 55, but on paper it looks as such.

I agree that 22 total wins gets us in period.  Whether it's 3-0 plus a big east semis out 2-1 plus a big east finals out I think that get us in and with a bye.  I think 21 wins CAN get us in, likely as a play in game.  It also depends how we get to 21 - 3-0 and a first round BE loss means we finished BE 11-7 is pretty strong. 2-1 with a close loss to Marq on road and then a BE win followed by a close loss to creighton or nova in tourney may also be strong enough.  2-1 w a home loss to Xavier and then a loss to a non nova/creighton team in be semis prob isn't strong enough.  But there's a lot of ways we can still get in.  Easiest being winning the next 4. 

Quote from: Marillac on February 24, 2014, 01:35:49 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 23, 2014, 11:54:51 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 23, 2014, 10:04:40 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

This loss isn't end of the world.

Very level-headed and absolutely correct.

Quote from: Dave on February 22, 2014, 10:17:32 PM

Loss against Xaiver, DePaul, or Marquette would be.

What happened to your steadiness in the time it took you to write a second sentence!  20-12, 10-8 with two wins in the B.E.T. would not only get us in, it would take us completely off the bubble.  Three games against top 100 RPIs on a neutral court--two wins, with one likely against Creighton or Nova, and then a likely championship game against the other would be RPI heaven. 

In that scenario we close the year 13-4, make it to the Big East championship game, finish third or fourth in the conference, and played eight games against current top ten RPI teams (five away from home).  There is no way in hell a team with that resume gets denied--especially one that started 0-5 is is loaded with top 75 talent.

I'm HOPING beating Xavier or Marquette and DePauL, plus one Be tournament is enough. Half full.

They do a good job taking care of the bottom teams and a few teams in the middle, but they can't compete against the top of the conference.  They are 0-for the season against us, Nova, and Creighton.  Hopefully they lose 2/3 before we meet up and have nothing  to play for.  We match up very well against them because they are sloppy, turnover prone, and a terrible shooting team.

We are 1-for the season against Xavier, Nova and Creighton. Yes we played some close games but still going to Marquette will not be an easy game.

Xavier tomorrow night is a big game for us, as you all know.

Elephant in the room, is Jordan going to play tomorrow?

I think we need to start a FIRE LAVIN thread again...

Senior day at Marquette won't be a stroll in the park.  Don't expect Tues. to be either.  I am overly confident against DePaul.

@GregLogan1: #SJUBB Frosh PG Rysheed Jordan attended viewing of deceased family member in Philly. Jordan to talk w/Steve Lavin; likely to play vs Xavier.