Why does this staff deserve an extension?

Quote from: SJUFAN on March 18, 2014, 11:00:34 PM

One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.

You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 11:08:30 AM

Also, the only people who care about a poor NIT performance are people on this board.  Winning a game or two in the NIT is irrelevant big picture.

Gray the concern is the overall drama that has occured under Lavin's reign. Can you honestly tell me that your not expecting something bad to happen over the summer? At least UK played hard last year and it seems every year UK is rebuilding so there is reason why UK may miss the tournament. This team has depth and experience and it's not the fact that they fell short that's the issue (it happens) it's their give-a-shatter meter is broken. Not running back on defense chucking more 3s then lay ups with the other team only having 7 players!  I'm not in favor to fire Lavin for the hell of lot like we did with Roberts (we lucked out with Lavin), but asking the program to show something more then optimism isn't a redicolous request either.

All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over.  Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step.  In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.

Quote from: Foad on March 19, 2014, 09:03:01 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on March 18, 2014, 11:00:34 PM

One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.

You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.

Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach. 

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 12:51:56 PM

All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over.  Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step.  In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.

I just don't see that.  The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction.  If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's?  100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing.  I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.

Quote from: dR3w on March 19, 2014, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 12:51:56 PM

All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over.  Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step.  In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.

I just don't see that.  The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction.  If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's?  100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing.  I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.

If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school.  I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game. 

Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level.  Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected.  If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 03:11:32 PM

Quote from: dR3w on March 19, 2014, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 12:51:56 PM

All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over.  Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step.  In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.

I just don't see that.  The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction.  If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's?  100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing.  I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.

If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school.  I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game. 

Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level.  Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected.  If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm

But on the other side, if I were a recruit with the potential to play at the next level, I would look at the present roster of underachievers and question Lavins ability to get me to the next level. I say dump him now, take the hit for a year or two and then hope the next coach gets the program in gear. Honestly, do you really believe that things will get better over the next few years with the current staff?  Do you really believe that high level recruits are still considering this program as an option? 

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 03:11:32 PM

Quote from: dR3w on March 19, 2014, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 19, 2014, 12:51:56 PM

All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over.  Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step.  In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.

I just don't see that.  The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction.  If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's?  100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing.  I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.

If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school.  I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game. 

Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level.  Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected.  If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm

But on the other side, if I were a recruit with the potential to play at the next level, I would look at the present roster of underachievers and question Lavins ability to get me to the next level. I say dump him now, take the hit for a year or two and then hope the next coach gets the program in gear. Honestly, do you really believe that things will get better over the next few years with the current staff?  Do you really believe that high level recruits are still considering this program as an option? 

Quote from: Foad on March 19, 2014, 09:03:01 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on March 18, 2014, 11:00:34 PM

One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.

You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.

Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach. 
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Quote from: SJUFAN on March 19, 2014, 12:50:57 PM

Quote from: Foad on March 19, 2014, 09:03:01 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on March 18, 2014, 11:00:34 PM

One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.

You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.

Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach. 

5 FT isn't on the coach? We took 37 3 pt shots and the coach could have demanded they take the ball to the basket to draw fouls. Jeezzzz do you even have any idea what a coach does?

The program step by step is improving.