Thanks Coach Lavin, good luck

Quote from: Celtics11 on March 21, 2015, 08:47:08 PM

Hope Dave is wrong but if he is not and our highest aspiration is Masiello than we are truly doomed to be mired in the morass we have been in since Lou retired,  in which case I will need to divorce myself from the morass and go after more ass. 

How does Massiello equal doomed? What's wrong with him? I think he's a damn good coach.

Didn't really mean doomed (hyperbole) but was hoping to aim higher.

Dave why is Repole a Mas fan and not Cluess. Is the new president tuned into Repole ?

Dave why is Repole a Mas fan and not Cluess. Is the new president tuned into Repole ?

But you can be sure he knows where the money lives.

Masiello, with Manhattan, was giving a damn good Louisville team a run for their money in the tournament last year while we were getting embarrassed by Robert Morris in the NIT but somehow we're doomed if we get rid of the chronic underachiever we have now for the chronic overachiever Masiello? What planet do I live on

Masiello, with Manhattan, was giving a damn good Louisville team a run for their money in the tournament last year while we were getting embarrassed by Robert Morris in the NIT but somehow we're doomed if we get rid of the chronic underachiever we have now for the chronic overachiever Masiello? What planet do I live on

Has Lavin ever even been in the game against Louisville? Imagine if he had to go up against Massiello. That is a huge mismatch.

This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.

For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?

Before their current jobs:

Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona 


And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.


Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.

It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.

It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.

At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.

Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?

Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?

St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.

Quote from: prjohnnies on March 21, 2015, 07:54:04 PM

Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?

Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?

St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.

Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.

Quote from: 0404 on March 21, 2015, 08:09:46 PM

This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.

For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?

Before their current jobs:

Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona 


And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.


Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.

It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.

It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.

At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.

But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc. To me the only reason to want to keep Lavin at this point is because you are content with the mediocrity of the program

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: 0404 on March 21, 2015, 08:09:46 PM

This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.

For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?

Before their current jobs:

Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona 


And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.


Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.

It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.

It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.

At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.

But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.

So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 11:23:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: 0404 on March 21, 2015, 08:09:46 PM

This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.

For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?

Before their current jobs:

Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona 


And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.


Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.

It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.

It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.

At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.

But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.

So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.

I have considered it. If we take a chance and are wrong then we still aren't finishing 4th or better in the conference or winning games in the BET or NCAA tourney. We'll be slightly worse than where we are now. Take a chance on an up and coming guy and we can be in a much better position than where we currently are

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:25:04 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 11:23:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: 0404 on March 21, 2015, 08:09:46 PM

This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.

For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?

Before their current jobs:

Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona 


And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.


Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.

It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.

It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.

At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.

But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.

So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.

I have considered it. If we take a chance and are wrong then we still aren't finishing 4th or better in the conference or winning games in the BET or NCAA tourney. We'll be slightly worse than where we are now. Take a chance on an up and coming guy and we can be in a much better position than where we currently are

So worst case scenario St. John's is DePaul in the Purnell years. It's a realistic scenario.

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:17:09 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on March 21, 2015, 07:54:04 PM

Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?

Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?

St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.

Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.

I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.

If he would come and the administration would go along I would   be happy with Larry Brown even for the few years he has left,

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 11:31:25 PM

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:25:04 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 11:23:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: 0404 on March 21, 2015, 08:09:46 PM

This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.

For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?

Before their current jobs:

Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona 


And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.


Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.

It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.

It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.

At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.

But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.

So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.

I have considered it. If we take a chance and are wrong then we still aren't finishing 4th or better in the conference or winning games in the BET or NCAA tourney. We'll be slightly worse than where we are now. Take a chance on an up and coming guy and we can be in a much better position than where we currently are

So worst case scenario St. John's is DePaul in the Purnell years. It's a realistic scenario.

That is on one extreme end of the spectrum. That is about as realistic as the other extreme end of the spectrum of our next hire being the next Brad Stevens and taking us to two final 4s in a row.

Realistic worst case scenario is we become a program like how Seton Hall has been lately and they have even been in the tourney hunt here and there over the past 6 years. Realistic best case scenario is we become a program like Xavier. Consistent NCAA tourney appearances, wins in the tourney here and there with the occasional down year. I think we would all sign up for that

In a few years, when Lavin has us in the Final Four, I hope all of you people are man enough to stand on line to apologize.

Went on fb and this popped up

In a few years, when Lavin has us in the Final Four, I hope all of you people are man enough to stand on line to apologize.

I will apologize. Then I'll wake up

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2015, 11:20:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:17:09 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on March 21, 2015, 07:54:04 PM

Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?

Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?

St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.

Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.

I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.

You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:40:54 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2015, 11:20:04 PM

Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:17:09 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on March 21, 2015, 07:54:04 PM

Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?

Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?

St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.

Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.

I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.

You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?

He had enough swagger to pull a former 5 star to the Bronx even though a high major that formerly recruited him couldn't get him back.