Mid Major transformation...

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Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2014, 12:00:30 PM »
I mean realizing ur strength and weakness. Him and Dunlap worked so well together because Lav has the vision and charisma to get the elite recruits. A person like Dunlap has the skill to get the kids ready with Lav vision in mind and it worked out great. But I think Lav took to heart people saying Dunlap was the real head coach which wasn't true.

kob... So does he not get along with Whitesell ? He hired the guy.
I don't know. he is a cool guy I think he gets along with everyone. I personally think he is the right man for the job. Growing up I wasn't a St Johns fan but I do remember the kids in my hood and my brother and cousin rocking the st john hats and jersey. Rappers at the games and the feel of the city about st johns. I think he is the one to bring that back. I just think he needs to tweak a few things. yall just got a five star guard in god knows how long. u had a 1st rounder under him.  I have nothing to gain from this because my kid graduated already but I think lav is the right guy.

Then we ( Lavin ) has to start taking advantage of all the things that could propel this school to be a major player in NYC college basketball. Taking advantage of all the hoopla surrounding the NCAA returning to the Garden this week would've been a great start. Instead I have to listen to all this Pukon crap again. Major turnarounds are born at events like this and we're nowhere to be found. This loss to Providence and the NIT loss were so terrible for us. 

I'm sure he's a cool guy and when I watch him on national network shows I want him to succeed.  He's very likeable. Maybe he thinks going on FS1 will help us with recruits because that keeps his celebrity status alive.

Before he got here, the program and the conference were turds spinning in the whirlpool immediately after the flush.  Most of us thought he'd be the plumber who'd fix this.   The bowl be empty.

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2014, 12:45:29 PM »
Like I said personally I don't know him, but Internet wise he is a troll. He is beyond annoying are many occassions. Need not look any further than the title of this thread. He comes on a SJU website and calls a Big East school, one that most of us here love, a mid major program. He does like SJU, so why does he post here?

perhaps he is a realist who sees the reality (zero ncaa tourney wins in 14 seasons), part of a conference that is on more of a decline than improvement, a coach who doesnt work, a staff who would screw up a cup of coffee, no recruits coming in, impending transfers (more will be coming i am told).

not everyone has to say our program is doing great and lavin should be extended.

There is a difference between saying the program is not doing great and not wanting it to do well (which he clearly wants).
I am not happy with some of the things that are going on but I will root like crazy, like I did through the dark days of Jarvis and Norm.

But in the end it doesn't change the fact that he is a troll.

So I'm the problem because I call it like I see it? I'm not the one standing around watching this disaster waving my pom poms. Fans like yourself are part of the problem

I just find it is pretty pathetic that you have over 12,000 posts on the basketball fan site of a program that you don't even like.
That is the classic definition of a troll. You don't need 20/20 vision to see that.

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2014, 12:58:17 PM »
Like I said personally I don't know him, but Internet wise he is a troll. He is beyond annoying are many occassions. Need not look any further than the title of this thread. He comes on a SJU website and calls a Big East school, one that most of us here love, a mid major program. He does like SJU, so why does he post here?

perhaps he is a realist who sees the reality (zero ncaa tourney wins in 14 seasons), part of a conference that is on more of a decline than improvement, a coach who doesnt work, a staff who would screw up a cup of coffee, no recruits coming in, impending transfers (more will be coming i am told).

not everyone has to say our program is doing great and lavin should be extended.

There is a difference between saying the program is not doing great and not wanting it to do well (which he clearly wants).
I am not happy with some of the things that are going on but I will root like crazy, like I did through the dark days of Jarvis and Norm.

But in the end it doesn't change the fact that he is a troll.

So I'm the problem because I call it like I see it? I'm not the one standing around watching this disaster waving my pom poms. Fans like yourself are part of the problem

I just find it is pretty pathetic that you have over 12,000 posts on the basketball fan site of a program that you don't even like.
That is the classic definition of a troll. You don't need 20/20 vision to see that.
Bill, I respectfully disagree.  Many times Baldi provides evidence/reasons (whether stats, his observations, etc.) for his opinions.   When a team doesn't perform well, and on top of that, below most fans' reasonable expectations, it is totally appropriate to do some evaluation, for better or worse, of a team one roots for.  In my 5 years on here and Redmen, I have seen nothing to indicate that Baldi doesn't root for SJ's to well along with his Iona roots.  Frankly, I'm frustrated like many with the squad for letting a golden opportunity barely slip through their hands (especially the back breaking 2nd Xavier loss at home).

Baldi might be a bit too provocative on some occasions, but imho it is not the level you're stating.  If you keep fanning the flames of the issue over and over, you are not addressing the thread yourself.  But I know you love the team like I do, so I'm not taking umbrage with you. 
« Last Edit: March 27, 2014, 01:14:56 PM by bball purist »

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2014, 01:07:51 PM »
Like I said personally I don't know him, but Internet wise he is a troll. He is beyond annoying are many occassions. Need not look any further than the title of this thread. He comes on a SJU website and calls a Big East school, one that most of us here love, a mid major program. He does like SJU, so why does he post here?

perhaps he is a realist who sees the reality (zero ncaa tourney wins in 14 seasons), part of a conference that is on more of a decline than improvement, a coach who doesnt work, a staff who would screw up a cup of coffee, no recruits coming in, impending transfers (more will be coming i am told).

not everyone has to say our program is doing great and lavin should be extended.

There is a difference between saying the program is not doing great and not wanting it to do well (which he clearly wants).
I am not happy with some of the things that are going on but I will root like crazy, like I did through the dark days of Jarvis and Norm.

But in the end it doesn't change the fact that he is a troll.

So I'm the problem because I call it like I see it? I'm not the one standing around watching this disaster waving my pom poms. Fans like yourself are part of the problem

I just find it is pretty pathetic that you have over 12,000 posts on the basketball fan site of a program that you don't even like.
That is the classic definition of a troll. You don't need 20/20 vision to see that.
Bill, I respectfully disagree.  Many times Baldi provides evidence/reasons (whether stats, his observations, etc.) for his opinions.   When a team doesn't perform well, and on top of that, below most fans' reasonable expectations, it is totally appropriate to do some evaluation, for better or worse, of a team one roots for.  In my 5 years on here and Redmen, I have seen nothing to indicate that Baldi doesn't root for SJ's to well along with his Iona roots.  Frankly, I'm frustrated like many with the squad for letting a golden opportunity barely slip through their hands (especially the back breaking 2nd Xavier loss at home).

Baldi might be a bit too provocative on some occasions, but imho it is not the level you're stating.  If you keep fanning the flames of the issue over and over, you are not addressing the thread yourself.  But I know you love the team like I do, so I'm not taking umbrage with you. 

I respectfully disagree with you opinion of him,  but your post was well received by me. The mid major thing just bugged the !@#$% of me, but I guess that is just how he gets his jollies.

In future, I can just ignore his posts, which it looks like some others here do already.   

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2014, 01:25:45 PM »
Like I said personally I don't know him, but Internet wise he is a troll. He is beyond annoying are many occassions. Need not look any further than the title of this thread. He comes on a SJU website and calls a Big East school, one that most of us here love, a mid major program. He does like SJU, so why does he post here?

perhaps he is a realist who sees the reality (zero ncaa tourney wins in 14 seasons), part of a conference that is on more of a decline than improvement, a coach who doesnt work, a staff who would screw up a cup of coffee, no recruits coming in, impending transfers (more will be coming i am told).

not everyone has to say our program is doing great and lavin should be extended.

There is a difference between saying the program is not doing great and not wanting it to do well (which he clearly wants).
I am not happy with some of the things that are going on but I will root like crazy, like I did through the dark days of Jarvis and Norm.

But in the end it doesn't change the fact that he is a troll.

So I'm the problem because I call it like I see it? I'm not the one standing around watching this disaster waving my pom poms. Fans like yourself are part of the problem

I just find it is pretty pathetic that you have over 12,000 posts on the basketball fan site of a program that you don't even like.
That is the classic definition of a troll. You don't need 20/20 vision to see that.
Bill, I respectfully disagree.  Many times Baldi provides evidence/reasons (whether stats, his observations, etc.) for his opinions.   When a team doesn't perform well, and on top of that, below most fans' reasonable expectations, it is totally appropriate to do some evaluation, for better or worse, of a team one roots for.  In my 5 years on here and Redmen, I have seen nothing to indicate that Baldi doesn't root for SJ's to well along with his Iona roots.  Frankly, I'm frustrated like many with the squad for letting a golden opportunity barely slip through their hands (especially the back breaking 2nd Xavier loss at home).

Baldi might be a bit too provocative on some occasions, but imho it is not the level you're stating.  If you keep fanning the flames of the issue over and over, you are not addressing the thread yourself.  But I know you love the team like I do, so I'm not taking umbrage with you. 

I respectfully disagree with you opinion of him,  but your post was well received by me. The mid major thing just bugged the !@#$% of me, but I guess that is just how he gets his jollies.

In future, I can just ignore his posts, which it looks like some others here do already.   
I think some of us may have saw what Baldi was getting at, and maybe I read into it a bit, but the landscape of college ball has changed so much, more than a few mid-majors are currently on a major plane.  The A-10, to reference an old TV advertising campaign from GM I think, isn't our father's A-10.  Players that are borderline major conf. talents, or even outright D1 talents, go to mid-majors because they can have a good chance of being the big fish, as well as still getting the NBA notice in today's world.  And they might have a chance to develop more knowing they're locked in to playing all four years.  Doug McDermott had major attention entering college, but opted to get stronger and develop with a mid-major school.  But wait, Creighton of course is now major - the lines have blurred, so imo, Baldi is within reason stating that we played like a mid major at times this season.  It's now only a name.


The guys had the opportunity to gel better all season, but the strong finish was just not enough by a smidge.  So be it.


We need a few 4 year players for '14 that are above avg., and then the staff needs to kill it for '15.  Imo, Lavin's legacy with SJ's rides on the '15 class.

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Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2014, 02:04:31 PM »
Sure.  Take a look at the transfers that some guys were drooling over

It's becoming a laughing stock.

A lot of enabling here.

Are you referring to Lee?  He's shopping between OSU, Louisville and IU (not to mention ND), and now suppsoedly Kansas is making a push.  He's a mid major guy?  Hilarious

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2014, 02:15:59 PM »
Baldi is needed on this site to stir the pot. I have no problem with him.

He is like a sibling that knows which buttons to push to set you off. Just don't let him get under your skin and have fun with what he posts.

Imo, this site would be pretty boring without him.

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2014, 02:47:05 PM »
I mean realizing ur strength and weakness. Him and Dunlap worked so well together because Lav has the vision and charisma to get the elite recruits. A person like Dunlap has the skill to get the kids ready with Lav vision in mind and it worked out great. But I think Lav took to heart people saying Dunlap was the real head coach which wasn't true.

kob... So does he not get along with Whitesell ? He hired the guy.
I don't know. he is a cool guy I think he gets along with everyone. I personally think he is the right man for the job. Growing up I wasn't a St Johns fan but I do remember the kids in my hood and my brother and cousin rocking the st john hats and jersey. Rappers at the games and the feel of the city about st johns. I think he is the one to bring that back. I just think he needs to tweak a few things. yall just got a five star guard in god knows how long. u had a 1st rounder under him.  I have nothing to gain from this because my kid graduated already but I think lav is the right guy.

KOB, always enjoy your insight. Whats your college team? And you got any younger players coming up through the ranks?
*wipes ketchup from his eyes* - I guess Heinz sight isn’t 20/20.

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Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2014, 03:09:00 PM »
never really had a college team. only notre dame when it comes to football

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2014, 03:32:09 PM »
Baldi is needed on this site to stir the pot. I have no problem with him.

He is like a sibling that knows which buttons to push to set you off. Just don't let him get under your skin and have fun with what he posts.

Imo, this site would be pretty boring without him.

agreed, baldi is harmless.  people anonymously spouting nonsense is one of the good/funny things about internet commenting.

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2014, 04:08:06 PM »
I mean realizing ur strength and weakness. Him and Dunlap worked so well together because Lav has the vision and charisma to get the elite recruits. A person like Dunlap has the skill to get the kids ready with Lav vision in mind and it worked out great. But I think Lav took to heart people saying Dunlap was the real head coach which wasn't true.

Didn't Dunlap go from assistant/interim head coach at St. John's directly to head coach in NBA @ Charlotte? Who really was the head game coach when he was at St. John's? Lavin? If so why wasn't he considered for an NBA job? The guy is a recruiter, not a good coach. And please don't use his unfortunate illness as an excuse

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Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2014, 04:20:26 PM »
Sure.  Take a look at the transfers that some guys were drooling over

It's becoming a laughing stock.

A lot of enabling here.

Are you referring to Lee?  He's shopping between OSU, Louisville and IU (not to mention ND), and now suppsoedly Kansas is making a push.  He's a mid major guy?  Hilarious

He's obviously not but do you think we'll beat out those heavyweights ?

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2014, 04:21:00 PM »
Speaking of Mid Major. I would like to see Lavin mix in a few mid major type kids to go with the 4 star athletes. We need shooters and more polished basketball players than just pure athletes. Team can't shoot so Lavin addressed this by recruiting two kids that he was never going to play. I don't want spot up, specialist shooters but rotation guys that can knock down shots.

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Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2014, 04:23:34 PM »
Speaking of Mid Major. I would like to see Lavin mix in a few mid major type kids to go with the 4 star athletes. We need shooters and more polished basketball players than just pure athletes. Team can't shoot so Lavin addressed this by recruiting two kids that he was never going to play. I don't want spot up, specialist shooters but rotation guys that can knock down shots.

Mid Major guys. You mean like Ron Roberts

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2014, 04:24:50 PM »
Speaking of Mid Major. I would like to see Lavin mix in a few mid major type kids to go with the 4 star athletes. We need shooters and more polished basketball players than just pure athletes. Team can't shoot so Lavin addressed this by recruiting two kids that he was never going to play. I don't want spot up, specialist shooters but rotation guys that can knock down shots.

Aren't dudes like Christian Jones and Felix Balamou considered mid major type kids? They weren't sniffing the top 100 coming out.

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2014, 04:25:13 PM »
Speaking of Mid Major. I would like to see Lavin mix in a few mid major type kids to go with the 4 star athletes. We need shooters and more polished basketball players than just pure athletes. Team can't shoot so Lavin addressed this by recruiting two kids that he was never going to play. I don't want spot up, specialist shooters but rotation guys that can knock down shots.

Mid Major guys. You mean like Ron Roberts

What is wrong with Ron Roberts? I actually think he was better than Sampson

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2014, 09:45:04 PM »
So Lavin going after any Bigtime recruits? Or mid mid major types?

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2014, 09:54:54 PM »
Like I said personally I don't know him, but Internet wise he is a troll. He is beyond annoying are many occassions. Need not look any further than the title of this thread. He comes on a SJU website and calls a Big East school, one that most of us here love, a mid major program. He does like SJU, so why does he post here?

perhaps he is a realist who sees the reality (zero ncaa tourney wins in 14 seasons), part of a conference that is on more of a decline than improvement, a coach who doesnt work, a staff who would screw up a cup of coffee, no recruits coming in, impending transfers (more will be coming i am told).

not everyone has to say our program is doing great and lavin should be extended.

There is a difference between saying the program is not doing great and not wanting it to do well (which he clearly wants).
I am not happy with some of the things that are going on but I will root like crazy, like I did through the dark days of Jarvis and Norm.

But in the end it doesn't change the fact that he is a troll.

So I'm the problem because I call it like I see it? I'm not the one standing around watching this disaster waving my pom poms. Fans like yourself are part of the problem

I just find it is pretty pathetic that you have over 12,000 posts on the basketball fan site of a program that you don't even like.
That is the classic definition of a troll. You don't need 20/20 vision to see that.
Bill, I respectfully disagree.  Many times Baldi provides evidence/reasons (whether stats, his observations, etc.) for his opinions.   When a team doesn't perform well, and on top of that, below most fans' reasonable expectations, it is totally appropriate to do some evaluation, for better or worse, of a team one roots for.  In my 5 years on here and Redmen, I have seen nothing to indicate that Baldi doesn't root for SJ's to well along with his Iona roots.  Frankly, I'm frustrated like many with the squad for letting a golden opportunity barely slip through their hands (especially the back breaking 2nd Xavier loss at home).

Baldi might be a bit too provocative on some occasions, but imho it is not the level you're stating.  If you keep fanning the flames of the issue over and over, you are not addressing the thread yourself.  But I know you love the team like I do, so I'm not taking umbrage with you. 

I don't know Baldi but can tell that he has some bball knowledge and perhaps some contacts as do a lot of folks on the boards...but he absolutely goes out of his way to incite and I don't believe he is a fan of the program

Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2014, 09:55:34 PM »
I think the answer is both

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Re: Mid Major transformation...
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2014, 10:07:41 PM »
Speaking of Mid Major. I would like to see Lavin mix in a few mid major type kids to go with the 4 star athletes. We need shooters and more polished basketball players than just pure athletes. Team can't shoot so Lavin addressed this by recruiting two kids that he was never going to play. I don't want spot up, specialist shooters but rotation guys that can knock down shots.

I don't think "mid major" means anything anymore. If Lavin can turn guys like Jones and Balamou into legit BE players, it would do more for his credibility than landing Branch, Pointer and Garrett - 3 high major recruits that turned out to be nowhere near the level many expected them to be.

Let's see what kind of work Lavin puts into the spring/summer.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2014, 10:09:52 PM by Poison »