More Bad News Coming?

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #120 on: April 08, 2014, 03:11:03 PM »
Not only did Ollie overcome the pathetic academic penalties, and mass exodus that Calhoun left for him, but he proved beyond any doubt that he is not only a terrific coach, but a legend in his own time. Ollie used to kill STJ. He was never the go to guy on any of those Uconn teams, but was so steady, and smart.

Mullin has an incredibly high IQ for the game. Perhaps he is exactly what we need to get back to prominence.

Pros:

He's was an incredibly savvy player, and he can share that knowledge with his players
He understands the NBA game, as a former player, and GM
He's not afraid of the media in NY.

Cons:

No experience

I don't think I care anymore that he has no experience.

Not to take away form Ollie did at all, but he didn't exactly inherit a mess. He was left the core of a national championship team....kids that know what winning is.  Our kids have no clue.

There is not a player on the roster I wouldn't trade for Napier...Jordan included.

I bet Roscoe Smith feels like an idiot right about now.

True, but Ollie kept that team together last year in the face of the post-season suspension to come back this year as national champs.  We lose in the first game of the NIT and half our potential starters next year are gone. 

When he took over he lost two players to the NVA in Drummond and Lamb and lost Oriakhi and Smith to transfer, that evidently is the definition of keeping it together?

Then two seasons into that he wins a NC with the core made up of kids he did not recruit.

Meanwhile Lavin coming off a 10-8 year, interesting the same as Ollie last year, isn't even being allowed to coach next year before he is deemed a failure.

To answer your question: unequivocally YES.  UConn had all the markings of a sinking ship when Ollie became HC. That he won with kids he did not recruit 2 years later is proof that he kept the program together in the face of adversity (replacing a legend and not playing in the post-season in his first year are pretty daunting circumstances, IMO).

I did not bring Lavin into the discussion, and too much has already been discussed on this board as to why Lavin's 10-8 in conference season is a joke compared to what Ollie accomplished with his 10-8 season.   

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #121 on: April 08, 2014, 03:56:29 PM »
Not only did Ollie overcome the pathetic academic penalties, and mass exodus that Calhoun left for him, but he proved beyond any doubt that he is not only a terrific coach, but a legend in his own time. Ollie used to kill STJ. He was never the go to guy on any of those Uconn teams, but was so steady, and smart.

Mullin has an incredibly high IQ for the game. Perhaps he is exactly what we need to get back to prominence.

Pros:

He's was an incredibly savvy player, and he can share that knowledge with his players
He understands the NBA game, as a former player, and GM
He's not afraid of the media in NY.

Cons:

No experience

I don't think I care anymore that he has no experience.

Not to take away form Ollie did at all, but he didn't exactly inherit a mess. He was left the core of a national championship team....kids that know what winning is.  Our kids have no clue.

There is not a player on the roster I wouldn't trade for Napier...Jordan included.

I bet Roscoe Smith feels like an idiot right about now.

True, but Ollie kept that team together last year in the face of the post-season suspension to come back this year as national champs.  We lose in the first game of the NIT and half our potential starters next year are gone. 

When he took over he lost two players to the NVA in Drummond and Lamb and lost Oriakhi and Smith to transfer, that evidently is the definition of keeping it together?

Then two seasons into that he wins a NC with the core made up of kids he did not recruit.

Meanwhile Lavin coming off a 10-8 year, interesting the same as Ollie last year, isn't even being allowed to coach next year before he is deemed a failure.


Did Lavin win a NC in his second year?  Oh, no?  Then shut up.  Your analogy has no logical connection.    The fact that two coaches in completely different circumstances both had 10-8 conference records last season means nothing.   They are nothing alike.   Nothing.   
One is a former professional basketball player who won a NC in his second year of coaching.
The other is a bimbo/doofus.   
Ollie's team rallied and won more than expected, doofus's team crumbled and ran as far away from him as they could.

Stop trolling.    Lavin is an awful coach.  That topic is no longer up for debate.   It's a given.

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #122 on: April 08, 2014, 04:34:57 PM »
Word is Adonis is not fully qualified yet

So prep school for him next year?

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2014, 05:01:51 PM »
Word is Adonis is not fully qualified yet
I love coming to this board. Always good news.

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2014, 05:18:22 PM »
Not only did Ollie overcome the pathetic academic penalties, and mass exodus that Calhoun left for him, but he proved beyond any doubt that he is not only a terrific coach, but a legend in his own time. Ollie used to kill STJ. He was never the go to guy on any of those Uconn teams, but was so steady, and smart.

Mullin has an incredibly high IQ for the game. Perhaps he is exactly what we need to get back to prominence.

Pros:

He's was an incredibly savvy player, and he can share that knowledge with his players
He understands the NBA game, as a former player, and GM
He's not afraid of the media in NY.

Cons:

No experience

I don't think I care anymore that he has no experience.

Not to take away form Ollie did at all, but he didn't exactly inherit a mess. He was left the core of a national championship team....kids that know what winning is.  Our kids have no clue.

There is not a player on the roster I wouldn't trade for Napier...Jordan included.

I bet Roscoe Smith feels like an idiot right about now.

True, but Ollie kept that team together last year in the face of the post-season suspension to come back this year as national champs.  We lose in the first game of the NIT and half our potential starters next year are gone. 

When he took over he lost two players to the NVA in Drummond and Lamb and lost Oriakhi and Smith to transfer, that evidently is the definition of keeping it together?

Then two seasons into that he wins a NC with the core made up of kids he did not recruit.

Meanwhile Lavin coming off a 10-8 year, interesting the same as Ollie last year, isn't even being allowed to coach next year before he is deemed a failure.


Did Lavin win a NC in his second year?  Oh, no?  Then shut up.  Your analogy has no logical connection.    The fact that two coaches in completely different circumstances both had 10-8 conference records last season means nothing.   They are nothing alike.   Nothing.   
One is a former professional basketball player who won a NC in his second year of coaching.
The other is a bimbo/doofus.   
Ollie's team rallied and won more than expected, doofus's team crumbled and ran as far away from him as they could.

Stop trolling.    Lavin is an awful coach.  That topic is no longer up for debate.   It's a given.

Trolling....OK...OK

I am busy using great analogies like you do...

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #125 on: April 08, 2014, 05:38:12 PM »
  There is a lot to be said by a former Husky and NBA player being successful as a College BB Coach.. Ollie earned respect from nearly everyone over his playing career and now in his Coaching Career..

It's amazing to me that UCONN pulled another NCAA  Championship out of a very good but, nor a great season, until the Tournament. Just like they did with the Kemba Walker Team a few years ago. AMAZING.

 iF any remote possibility exists for MARK jACKSON to come here now or, whenever Lavin Leaves, it should be seriously considered..

And, pls don't make any comments about him not having College Coaching experience this time. Before Lavin was hired, many talked of Mark as NORM'S replacement but, too many skoffed at his alleged lack of experience and recruiting.. NONSENSE..

Curious by those who are in favor of bringing in Mark Jackson what they believe they will get. He is not considered good at X's and O's in the Bay Area and many believe he is coaching for his job. It's been said that he does not have good relationships with members of his own staff. Don't see Jackson hitting the recruiting trail hard.

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2014, 06:00:21 PM »
  There is a lot to be said by a former Husky and NBA player being successful as a College BB Coach.. Ollie earned respect from nearly everyone over his playing career and now in his Coaching Career..

It's amazing to me that UCONN pulled another NCAA  Championship out of a very good but, nor a great season, until the Tournament. Just like they did with the Kemba Walker Team a few years ago. AMAZING.

 iF any remote possibility exists for MARK jACKSON to come here now or, whenever Lavin Leaves, it should be seriously considered..

And, pls don't make any comments about him not having College Coaching experience this time. Before Lavin was hired, many talked of Mark as NORM'S replacement but, too many skoffed at his alleged lack of experience and recruiting.. NONSENSE..

Curious by those who are in favor of bringing in Mark Jackson what they believe they will get. He is not considered good at X's and O's in the Bay Area and many believe he is coaching for his job. It's been said that he does not have good relationships with members of his own staff. Don't see Jackson hitting the recruiting trail hard.

I think Jackson is an arrogant prick. I don't want him here as a head coach. I think he's a name, and like Lavin, he'd be a name here, have a little success early, and then he'll either bolt for another NBA job, or nothing at all.

I think Mullin genuinely loves St.John's. He's my top choice right now. We have to hope that Lavin leaves. The only thing that I'm certain of in regards to Lavin, is that he doesn't know what he's doing on the sidelines. Off the sidelines, he's not a good enough recruiter to make up for it like Cal did.

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2014, 06:09:33 PM »
Not only did Ollie overcome the pathetic academic penalties, and mass exodus that Calhoun left for him, but he proved beyond any doubt that he is not only a terrific coach, but a legend in his own time. Ollie used to kill STJ. He was never the go to guy on any of those Uconn teams, but was so steady, and smart.

Mullin has an incredibly high IQ for the game. Perhaps he is exactly what we need to get back to prominence.

Pros:

He's was an incredibly savvy player, and he can share that knowledge with his players
He understands the NBA game, as a former player, and GM
He's not afraid of the media in NY.

Cons:

No experience

I don't think I care anymore that he has no experience.

Come on now, why would Chris Mullin want to step down into this job.

IDK, but possibly because he's a New Yorker, and he'd get to return home. It's an opportunity to save a program where he is already considered a legend. (Only by St.John's fans, but still) I'm not saying it's likely, but I really think he gets the game, and he'd get locals to stay home, AND I think he'd be able to recruit nationally as well.

All of this is moot right now, as Lavin isn't getting fired, and it's doubtful Cal is stupid enough to hire him.

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2014, 06:18:18 PM »
Not only did Ollie overcome the pathetic academic penalties, and mass exodus that Calhoun left for him, but he proved beyond any doubt that he is not only a terrific coach, but a legend in his own time. Ollie used to kill STJ. He was never the go to guy on any of those Uconn teams, but was so steady, and smart.

Mullin has an incredibly high IQ for the game. Perhaps he is exactly what we need to get back to prominence.

Pros:

He's was an incredibly savvy player, and he can share that knowledge with his players
He understands the NBA game, as a former player, and GM
He's not afraid of the media in NY.

Cons:

No experience

I don't think I care anymore that he has no experience.

Not to take away form Ollie did at all, but he didn't exactly inherit a mess. He was left the core of a national championship team....kids that know what winning is.  Our kids have no clue.

There is not a player on the roster I wouldn't trade for Napier...Jordan included.

I bet Roscoe Smith feels like an idiot right about now.

True, but Ollie kept that team together last year in the face of the post-season suspension to come back this year as national champs.  We lose in the first game of the NIT and half our potential starters next year are gone. 

When he took over he lost two players to the NVA in Drummond and Lamb and lost Oriakhi and Smith to transfer, that evidently is the definition of keeping it together?

Then two seasons into that he wins a NC with the core made up of kids he did not recruit.

Meanwhile Lavin coming off a 10-8 year, interesting the same as Ollie last year, isn't even being allowed to coach next year before he is deemed a failure.
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Not only did Ollie overcome the pathetic academic penalties, and mass exodus that Calhoun left for him, but he proved beyond any doubt that he is not only a terrific coach, but a legend in his own time. Ollie used to kill STJ. He was never the go to guy on any of those Uconn teams, but was so steady, and smart.

Mullin has an incredibly high IQ for the game. Perhaps he is exactly what we need to get back to prominence.

Pros:

He's was an incredibly savvy player, and he can share that knowledge with his players
He understands the NBA game, as a former player, and GM
He's not afraid of the media in NY.

Cons:

No experience

I don't think I care anymore that he has no experience.

Not to take away form Ollie did at all, but he didn't exactly inherit a mess. He was left the core of a national championship team....kids that know what winning is.  Our kids have no clue.

There is not a player on the roster I wouldn't trade for Napier...Jordan included.

I bet Roscoe Smith feels like an idiot right about now.

True, but Ollie kept that team together last year in the face of the post-season suspension to come back this year as national champs.  We lose in the first game of the NIT and half our potential starters next year are gone. 

When he took over he lost two players to the NVA in Drummond and Lamb and lost Oriakhi and Smith to transfer, that evidently is the definition of keeping it together?

Then two seasons into that he wins a NC with the core made up of kids he did not recruit.

Meanwhile Lavin coming off a 10-8 year, interesting the same as Ollie last year, isn't even being allowed to coach next year before he is deemed a failure.
But he was able to keep Boatwright and Napier and wildly over achieve with a NC in his second year. Your blind support of Lavin is costing you what little credibility you have left.

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #129 on: April 08, 2014, 08:18:44 PM »
How the hell UCONN won the NC is beyond me...I think comparing Ollie to Lavin is a bit unfair...

I was all for Lavin returning next year, because set backs happen. Normally it takes time to build winning programs consistently. What appears to be happening now is that everyone is fleeing a sinking ship the captain is no where to be found and the folks remaining I wonder what their intentions are. IsJordan staying because he is jumping to the NBA next so will he be all about showing off his skill set instead if being a team player? 

At this point somebody needs to dedicate or get off the pot wether it is the AD  keeping Laving, getting rid of Lavin, pretending to say he has his back. Same thing with Lavin what concerns me is the lack of things he is saying. For a guy that loves to talk his silence echoes...Even if he just spew BS normally he would say something. To me it seems like he is scheming...

When people start changing their behavior normally something is up... 
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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2014, 12:48:23 AM »
Anyone check Ollie's team's graduation record? I heard it was 8 percent. Calhoun revisited. And his players acted like thugs when they won. Blaming the NCAA for the suspension? There is no shame in that program. The rules do not apply to them? Compare that program to Bo Ryan who has a 100 % graduation rate. Thugs,  and Ollie is the new pack leader. I would not want Ollie near our program.

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #131 on: April 09, 2014, 01:25:50 AM »
Anyone check Ollie's team's graduation record? I heard it was 8 percent. Calhoun revisited. And his players acted like thugs when they won. Blaming the NCAA for the suspension? There is no shame in that program. The rules do not apply to them? Compare that program to Bo Ryan who has a 100 % graduation rate. Thugs,  and Ollie is the new pack leader. I would not want Ollie near our program.

How can Ollie have an 8% graduation if he's only been a coach through one season where there would have been graduating seniors? Nappier and Giffey are seniors. You're saying they won't graduate? I bet they do. Who didn't graduate last year that produced this 8%?  I hate Uconn as much as the next guy, but come on!

And if you want to talk thuggery, look no further than Dom Pointer. Who throws more sucker punches than that guy? Obekpa and Sampson had their share of bush league crap, too. And guess what? Those two nice persons need 2 years to graduate. Two years that neither of them have any business forgoing to play in the NBA.

Nappier. Not only will he be a pro, but he deserves to be a pro. That's more than I can say for the attitude and work ethic of our princesses.

Oh, and yes, God's Gift is a great student. So everyone wear your St.John's sweatshirt with pride this month.
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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #132 on: April 09, 2014, 01:29:47 AM »
Anyone check Ollie's team's graduation record? I heard it was 8 percent. Calhoun revisited. And his players acted like thugs when they won. Blaming the NCAA for the suspension? There is no shame in that program. The rules do not apply to them? Compare that program to Bo Ryan who has a 100 % graduation rate. Thugs,  and Ollie is the new pack leader. I would not want Ollie near our program.

How in the world are they thugs? Did they murder anybody? They are basketball players who did an outstanding job winning the national championship. And Ollie is pretty much loved by everyone involved in basketball. This post is so far off its not even funny 

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #133 on: April 09, 2014, 06:43:08 AM »

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #134 on: April 09, 2014, 08:16:14 AM »
Anyone check Ollie's team's graduation record? I heard it was 8 percent. Calhoun revisited. And his players acted like thugs when they won. Blaming the NCAA for the suspension? There is no shame in that program. The rules do not apply to them? Compare that program to Bo Ryan who has a 100 % graduation rate. Thugs,  and Ollie is the new pack leader. I would not want Ollie near our program.
this entire post is insane.

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Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #135 on: April 09, 2014, 08:16:48 AM »
Anyone check Ollie's team's graduation record? I heard it was 8 percent. Calhoun revisited. And his players acted like thugs when they won. Blaming the NCAA for the suspension? There is no shame in that program. The rules do not apply to them? Compare that program to Bo Ryan who has a 100 % graduation rate. Thugs,  and Ollie is the new pack leader. I would not want Ollie near our program.
this entire post is insane.
and >50% racist.

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #136 on: April 09, 2014, 08:19:49 AM »
Racist? I don't see a mention of race in that post

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #137 on: April 09, 2014, 09:17:33 AM »
I would like to see Walter Berry hired. Who wouldn't want to play for Berry. If any kids don't know who he is he can just show up with game tapes of his 2 years here. The added bonus of having Berry as coach is even if we go 0-36 and lose every game by 50 I will never post one thing bashing him. I would also like to see Willie Glass and David Russell as his assistants.  We would have the coolest coaching staff in history of the NCAA.You know as long as we are throwing out crazy things I would hire Berry.

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #138 on: April 09, 2014, 09:42:09 AM »
Is Greene leaving or what?

Re: More Bad News Coming?
« Reply #139 on: April 09, 2014, 10:21:16 AM »
#sjubb MT @MJ4Sports I can confirm through 1 of his coaches that former Dulles star D'Angelo Harrison, is looking to transfer closer to home