What would make fans happy..?

and would rather watch a well coached cohesive team basketball beat Stony Brook

I have been reading this site and Redmen (don't post there) and it seems to me that a massive majority of the St. John's fan base can never be happy or satisfied.

People can try to spin things anyway they like but the program has been average, if not below average, for 20 years.

The days of saying SJU is in the same league as the elite basketball programs in the country because of where they stand on the all time wins list are over. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, Syracuse, etc....   they are in a different world then we are right now and to say different is a fan just not being honest.

Does SJU have the potential to be very good again - YES but its going to take time and certainly not one cycle of a coaches own recruits.

If teams like George Mason, Butler, VCU, Wichita State can make a run to the Final Four, there is no reason to think that SJU can not and will not but to expect things like that regularly is just not happening.

Whether or not you think Coach Lavin is right guy for the job here can't change one major thing - he has made SJU relevant again on the recruiting front. I do think he needs more help on the bench and needs to address it sooner rather than later.

All that said too,  Coach Lavin and the staff are in a very tough spot as the next school year begins. If they don't give him an extension, he and the staff will be screwed recruiting next year and if he doesn't land a strong 2015 class it could set up the entire program for a major step backwards after next season.

**I edited the original post to remove the word "we" and replaced with SJU - don't want any posters telling me that I am not part of the program or I am really a closet SHU fan.

I have been reading this site and Redmen (don't post there) and it seems to me that a massive majority of the St. John's fan base can never be happy or satisfied.

People can try to spin things anyway they like but the program has been average, if not below average, for 20 years.

The days of saying SJU is in the same league as the elite basketball programs in the country because of where they stand on the all time wins list are over. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, Syracuse, etc....   they are in a different world then we are right now and to say different is a fan just not being honest.

Does SJU have the potential to be very good again - YES but its going to take time and certainly not one cycle of a coaches own recruits.

If teams like George Mason, Butler, VCU, Wichita State can make a run to the Final Four, there is no reason to think that SJU can not and will not but to expect things like that regularly is just not happening.

Whether or not you think Coach Lavin is right guy for the job here can't change one major thing - he has made SJU relevant again on the recruiting front. I do think he needs more help on the bench and needs to address it sooner rather than later.

All that said too,  Coach Lavin and the staff are in a very tough spot as the next school year begins. If they don't give him an extension, he and the staff will be screwed recruiting next year and if he doesn't land a strong 2015 class it could set up the entire program for a major step backwards after next season.

**I edited the original post to remove the word "we" and replaced with SJU - don't want any posters telling me that I am not part of the program or I am really a closet SHU fan.

Quote from: pmg911 on May 29, 2014, 07:24:19 AM

I have been reading this site and Redmen (don't post there) and it seems to me that a massive majority of the St. John's fan base can never be happy or satisfied.

People can try to spin things anyway they like but the program has been average, if not below average, for 20 years.

The days of saying SJU is in the same league as the elite basketball programs in the country because of where they stand on the all time wins list are over. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, Syracuse, etc....   they are in a different world then we are right now and to say different is a fan just not being honest.

Does SJU have the potential to be very good again - YES but its going to take time and certainly not one cycle of a coaches own recruits.

If teams like George Mason, Butler, VCU, Wichita State can make a run to the Final Four, there is no reason to think that SJU can not and will not but to expect things like that regularly is just not happening.

Whether or not you think Coach Lavin is right guy for the job here can't change one major thing - he has made SJU relevant again on the recruiting front. I do think he needs more help on the bench and needs to address it sooner rather than later.

All that said too,  Coach Lavin and the staff are in a very tough spot as the next school year begins. If they don't give him an extension, he and the staff will be screwed recruiting next year and if he doesn't land a strong 2015 class it could set up the entire program for a major step backwards after next season.

**I edited the original post to remove the word "we" and replaced with SJU - don't want any posters telling me that I am not part of the program or I am really a closet SHU fan.

Bunch of nonsense.

After next season when the phony tv promoter posing as a coach is gone and we have Archie Miller, Hurley or some other good coach, we will see a rapid improvement and tourney births  in far less time than it took Lavin to produce NIT underachievers.

SJU was never in the league with teams like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Syracuse... Those teams have won a National Championship. They are above all else.

This team has to finish top 3 in this watered down Big East and not have to sweat out a bid

Quote from: Marco Baldi on May 30, 2014, 01:36:23 PM

SJU was never in the league with teams like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Syracuse... Those teams have won a National Championship. They are above all else.

This team has to finish top 3 in this watered down Big East and not have to sweat out a bid

They finished in 3rd place last year and didn't have to sweat out a bid because it wasn't coming.  They have to do a bit more than just come in third.

It doesn't bother me that people aren't happy, because they shouldn't be. I'm not either. What does bother me, is people that act like this is the worst team they've ever seen, or use other hyperbole to describe the coach or program.

I also can't stand the completely made up assertion that us "Lavin supporters" think everything is going wonderfully. No, incorrect. Not one person has said that or anything remotely close to it. We just don't blame the coach for everything, even things out of his control and do not think he deserves to be fired after a 20 win season in which we just missed a bid by a win or two.

Quote from: yankcranker on May 30, 2014, 01:59:44 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on May 30, 2014, 01:36:23 PM

SJU was never in the league with teams like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Syracuse... Those teams have won a National Championship. They are above all else.

This team has to finish top 3 in this watered down Big East and not have to sweat out a bid

They finished in 3rd place last year and didn't have to sweat out a bid because it wasn't coming.  They have to do a bit more than just come in third.

So you think the league is lacking too?

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 30, 2014, 01:09:49 PM

It doesn't bother me that people aren't happy, because they shouldn't be. I'm not either. What does bother me, is people that act like this is the worst team they've ever seen, or use other hyperbole to describe the coach or program.

I also can't stand the completely made up assertion that us "Lavin supporters" think everything is going wonderfully. No, incorrect. Not one person has said that or anything remotely close to it. We just don't blame the coach for everything, even things out of his control and do not think he deserves to be fired after a 20 win season in which we just missed a bid by a win or two.

I have followed this team for over 50 years.  It's the first time one quit on the coach and the fans.  The "S" on their shirts stood for selfish.  That qualifies as the worst team I ever saw.

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 30, 2014, 01:09:49 PM

It doesn't bother me that people aren't happy, because they shouldn't be. I'm not either. What does bother me, is people that act like this is the worst team they've ever seen, or use other hyperbole to describe the coach or program.

I also can't stand the completely made up assertion that us "Lavin supporters" think everything is going wonderfully. No, incorrect. Not one person has said that or anything remotely close to it. We just don't blame the coach for everything, even things out of his control and do not think he deserves to be fired after a 20 win season in which we just missed a bid by a win or two.

I have followed this team for over 50 years.  It's the first time one quit on the coach and the fans.  The "S" on their shirts stood for selfish.  That qualifies as the worst team I ever saw.

Bunch of nonsense.

After next season when the phony tv promoter posing as a coach is gone and we have Archie Miller, Hurley or some other good coach, we will see a rapid improvement and tourney births  in far less time than it took Lavin to produce NIT underachievers.

It doesn't bother me that people aren't happy, because they shouldn't be. I'm not either. What does bother me, is people that act like this is the worst team they've ever seen, or use other hyperbole to describe the coach or program.

I also can't stand the completely made up assertion that us "Lavin supporters" think everything is going wonderfully. No, incorrect. Not one person has said that or anything remotely close to it. We just don't blame the coach for everything, even things out of his control and do not think he deserves to be fired after a 20 win season in which we just missed a bid by a win or two.
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Quote from: redstorm212 on May 30, 2014, 01:09:49 PM

It doesn't bother me that people aren't happy, because they shouldn't be. I'm not either. What does bother me, is people that act like this is the worst team they've ever seen, or use other hyperbole to describe the coach or program.

I also can't stand the completely made up assertion that us "Lavin supporters" think everything is going wonderfully. No, incorrect. Not one person has said that or anything remotely close to it. We just don't blame the coach for everything, even things out of his control and do not think he deserves to be fired after a 20 win season in which we just missed a bid by a win or two.

Speaking in general terms not specific to Lavin-in the pro's you have a GM and a coach and if things go bad one or the other gets blamed. In college the coach is both the GM (he procures the players) and the coach. So if things go bad in college who exactly do you old accountable?

People forget Sheed did not play in the NIT game.  We wouldn't have gotten lit up as badly as we did if he played.