Best Small Forward in The Big East

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 04:45:18 PM

Quote from: desco80 on September 23, 2014, 01:08:19 PM

This team has bigger problems than Dom Pointer.   He's unselfish, is asked to play out of position, and he's improved each season.   I can live with that.

Desco, didn"t dom pretty much play exclusively small forward last year? And man, he improved? No way in hell did he improve over his sophomore year. No way!

He played more sf than in either of the previous two seasons, that's true.  But when have we ever run a play for dom? 
My recollection is that any time he shot the ball iy was because the other options weren't open, and he had to throw up a prayer with the shot clock winding down.

Listen, he's a flawed player, I'm not saying otherwise.  I just think he's unselfish and has improved his game, and I respect that. I also truly think he has been utilized wrong.
He's also a bit of a punk on the court, and he loses some respect from me there.  but frankly that seems to be contagious with this team. 

I'll give you that. He dose seem to have a tendency to be a spark plug.

Dom is just a bit too reckless for me. I like players that are able to keep control. Nova always seems to have those types of players. Tyler Ennis was that type of player. Briscoe will most definitely be that type of player. I do think Dom could be a real valuable asset, his energy and athletic ability are outstanding, but his knowledge and understanding leave much to be desired.

Its like this, when the other team takes a shot, all I want dom to do is crash the boards. If he gets it, he can push it himself. If ANYONE else gets it, run the floor and do not call for the outlet. That should be Doms game. Unfortunately he doesnt think so.

Pointer is a liability when he's on the floor, plain and simple. Unless he had a basketball IQ transplant in the offseason, I expect the same frenetic, scattered play from him this season. Hopefully he's not on the floor too much except for defense.

Bottom line is that nowhere has his game really improved at all. If anything, he was much better as a sophomore, than he was last year. In the game against Providence, he had two layups blocked because he decided not to go up strong. What a time to make a decision like that. Where's the leadership? Where's the fire? He brought the fire to the Youngstown State game, in more ways than one. But that seems to be the level where he'd be the star. The BE, even with the watered down teams from last year, still overwhelmed him in just about every game against a good team.

Let's see if Dom Pointer can shock us all and give the team a David Cain-like senior season. Miracle? No. Chances? On a guess, I'd say 1 in 25.

Bottom line is that nowhere has his game really improved at all. If anything, he was much better as a sophomore, than he was last year. In the game against Providence, he had two layups blocked because he decided not to go up strong. What a time to make a decision like that. Where's the leadership? Where's the fire? He brought the fire to the Youngstown State game, in more ways than one. But that seems to be the level where he'd be the star. The BE, even with the watered down teams from last year, still overwhelmed him in just about every game against a good team.

Let's see if Dom Pointer can shock us all and give the team a David Cain-like senior season. Miracle? No. Chances? On a guess, I'd say 1 in 25.

I'd settle for a Donald Emanuel-like surprisingly adequate senior year.

Quote from: Poison on September 24, 2014, 11:30:01 AM

Bottom line is that nowhere has his game really improved at all. If anything, he was much better as a sophomore, than he was last year. In the game against Providence, he had two layups blocked because he decided not to go up strong. What a time to make a decision like that. Where's the leadership? Where's the fire? He brought the fire to the Youngstown State game, in more ways than one. But that seems to be the level where he'd be the star. The BE, even with the watered down teams from last year, still overwhelmed him in just about every game against a good team.

Let's see if Dom Pointer can shock us all and give the team a David Cain-like senior season. Miracle? No. Chances? On a guess, I'd say 1 in 25.

I'd settle for a Donald Emanuel-like surprisingly adequate senior year.

That's not nothing. Emanuel was pretty good his last year. But that guy always played hard. Even when he had no business being out there.

Quote from: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 08:07:03 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 08:18:15 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 08:07:03 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

Deonte Burton (SG/SF?) is going to make big strides this year, very strong and versatile.

Brandon Mobley also put on 20 lbs of muscle according to Willard, he could make a quantum leap but needs to speed up his motor.

Idk why I'm in the minority, but Dom is the best defensive guard in the Big East. Absolute ball hawk.

QaunMan, I'm in the minority with you. 

Quote from: Tiznow on September 24, 2014, 10:03:06 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 08:18:15 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 08:07:03 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

Dom is all heart, and has been the understated leader of this team for the past 3 years. When he's rolling everyone else follows suit and is suddenly clicking on all cylinders.

He's saved countless games with his tenacity and swarming defense. His intangibles are immeasurable, and often times overlooked. His value surpasses the box score.

Does he struggle to create his own shot off the dribble? Yes. Has he gradually improved his overall offensive game over the past 3 years? Absolutely. More importantly, he's a defensive specialist, a damn good one, and is getting listed on 2015 Mock Drafts for that very reason.

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw. He was the instigator, and soon transferred out of ND. I think he's still icing his jaw. Kid didn't know he was trash talking with someone who grew up boxing in Detroit.

We're going to need him in numerous ways this year. Give me Dom in my trench hole any day of the week:

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win, and usually put the exclamation point on a victory or is the one to put the final nail in the coffin,” Lavin said of Pointer, who is coming off his best performance of the season, a brilliant 12-point, 11-assist, nine-rebound, four-steal, three-block effort in Saturday’s 104-58 rout of improved Fordham. “We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

"Dom is one of those players who will be in [the game] for ten minutes, but have ten points, eight blocks, four rebounds, call a timeout and have a travel called against him," Harrison joked about his now third-year teammate.  "He is going to have an impact on every game.  He and [God`s]gift [Achiuwa] are probably the leaders of this team."

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”Lavin felt the 6-foot-5 Pointer, a Detroit product, would be a special player his freshman year, after the 6-foot-5 forward single-handedly shut down Lehigh star C.J. McCollum in his second college game, igniting a big comeback. Lehigh and McCollum would reach the Sweet 16 that year, upsetting Duke in the first round. “Dom came in a like a plumber and shut the water off,” Lavin said.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 24, 2014, 10:05:05 PM

Quote from: Tiznow on September 24, 2014, 10:03:06 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 08:18:15 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 08:07:03 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

Ive never booed a st johns team in my life and Ive never seen a st johns win. If you watched last years games you would know that I'm not exaggerating. Dom simply doesnt box out. A lot of the other guys just rarely did.

Dom is all heart, and has been the understated leader of this team for the past 3 years. When he's rolling everyone else follows suit and is suddenly clicking on all cylinders.

He's saved countless games with his tenacity and swarming defense. His intangibles are immeasurable, and often times overlooked. His value surpasses the box score.

Does he struggle to create his own shot off the dribble? Yes. Has he gradually improved his overall offensive game over the past 3 years? Absolutely. More importantly, he's a defensive specialist, a damn good one, and is getting listed on 2015 Mock Drafts for that very reason.

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw. He was the instigator, and soon transferred out of ND. I think he's still icing his jaw. Kid didn't know he was trash talking with someone who grew up boxing in Detroit.

We're going to need him in numerous ways this year. Give me Dom in my trench hole any day of the week:

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win, and usually put the exclamation point on a victory or is the one to put the final nail in the coffin,” Lavin said of Pointer, who is coming off his best performance of the season, a brilliant 12-point, 11-assist, nine-rebound, four-steal, three-block effort in Saturday’s 104-58 rout of improved Fordham. “We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

"Dom is one of those players who will be in [the game] for ten minutes, but have ten points, eight blocks, four rebounds, call a timeout and have a travel called against him," Harrison joked about his now third-year teammate.  "He is going to have an impact on every game.  He and [God`s]gift [Achiuwa] are probably the leaders of this team."

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”Lavin felt the 6-foot-5 Pointer, a Detroit product, would be a special player his freshman year, after the 6-foot-5 forward single-handedly shut down Lehigh star C.J. McCollum in his second college game, igniting a big comeback. Lehigh and McCollum would reach the Sweet 16 that year, upsetting Duke in the first round. “Dom came in a like a plumber and shut the water off,” Lavin said.

What mock draft that you didn't make has pointer on them? not draftexpress or nbadraft.net, which are the 2 usually cited, but the latter isn't even that good.   So much wrong in your post including defending him punching that ND player.

Quote from: QuanMan on September 22, 2014, 07:57:50 PM

Much like a huge chunk of last year's roster, be it rotation patterns/dispersed playing time, Dom never found his groove, and was in Lavs doghouse by season's end.

Poison, you're using the past tense here, his senior season hasn't even started, Dom is going to go to work this year, trust!

Why do you think Dom is going to go to work? He has been a hot mess since arriving here. Seniors can get it together, and stranger things have happened, like David Cain, for example. That said, how can any STJ fan who's watched Dom play the last 3 seasons have any expectations anymore?

It would be great for if he could finally realize his potential, but I don't see it. I'd be thrilled if he played well enough to be a 6th man, and a defensive stopper-something he gets a lot of credit for, but actually doesn't do against high major programs.

As a Senior who has played a significant amount of minutes for 3 years, I think we've seen the best of him. Best suited to concentrate on his individual skills, ie play furious defense and run the floor for a few minutes each game.

Yea, he was the catalyst against Syracuse after Jordan put us up, he got himself dusted by CJ Fair on two consecutive possessions.

His intangibles are immeasurable and often times overlooked

Everyone's intangibles are immeasurable and being intangible - not having a physical presence - impossible to see. Which sums up Pointer's contributions nicely: you can't observe or count them.

 

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw.

Quite. SJU, down 26 on the road, having managed 40 points in 40 minutes, and meanwhile our NBA prospect defensive stopper having spent 34 minutes being schooled by ND's inferior guards, and meanwhile SJU in the midst of a 3-9 death spiral to the NIT. Damned right Biedscheid deserved to get smacked. Somebody did anyway. 

Say what you want about Norm, at least his kids knew how to take a vicious beating.

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win"

Fordham

Lehigh

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

Yes he's just like Batman, but since the villain is Fordham this is one of those later episodes, when the Caped Crusader battled Louie the Lilac (Milton Berle) and Lord Marmaduke Fffogg (Rudy Vallee).

I'm just happy Lavin recruited a super hero who could lead us to the NIT. Imagine how bad things might be otherwise.

[/quot

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 24, 2014, 10:05:05 PM

Quote from: Tiznow on September 24, 2014, 10:03:06 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 08:18:15 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 08:07:03 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

You could not be more wrong.   The fan base is, if anything, too lenient.   Beat up SJU fans all you want for not being loud enough or not attending enough games.
But "good fanbases" would've driven this clown of a coach, and some of his players, out of town a long time ago.
- Cheap fouls, and sucker punches, directed at opponents in blowouts.
- Walkons starting in conference games, under the guise that they had a good week of practice.
- Freshmen "stars" who mysteriously disappear for games in midseason, and sit out postseason games with toothaches.
- NBA Prospects who refuse to enter games

And that list could be 10x longer if we included the "minor" bullsh*t like recruiting an alleged rapist this summer without running it by anyone at the University.   

We all hope the team has a successful season, and Lavin can turn things around.   But none of this is in anyway the fault of the fanbase.   The fans have given this team a ton of patience.

How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

Impossible: lack of boxing out is an immeasurable intangible.

In order for Dom to be effective he has to play, in short spurts the things he does well do not stand out. Honestly playing slowdown does not do him any favors either. He is an energy guy so playing slowdown in short spurts you can actually see him getting frustrated. This leads to his chippy play. And on that note if he is going to be chippy he has to learn to throw a better punch then that slap thing he does. Actually closing your fist is the first thing you should be taught if you are going to be a dirty player.

In order for Dom to be effective he has to play, in short spurts the things he does well do not stand out. Honestly playing slowdown does not do him any favors either. He is an energy guy so playing slowdown in short spurts you can actually see him getting frustrated. This leads to his chippy play. And on that note if he is going to be chippy he has to learn to throw a better punch then that slap thing he does. Actually closing your fist is the first thing you should be taught if you are going to be a dirty player.

In long spurts, the things he doesn't do well stand out even more.

Quote from: we are sju on September 25, 2014, 12:54:19 PM

In order for Dom to be effective he has to play, in short spurts the things he does well do not stand out. Honestly playing slowdown does not do him any favors either. He is an energy guy so playing slowdown in short spurts you can actually see him getting frustrated. This leads to his chippy play. And on that note if he is going to be chippy he has to learn to throw a better punch then that slap thing he does. Actually closing your fist is the first thing you should be taught if you are going to be a dirty player.

In long spurts, the things he doesn't do well stand out even more.

I disagree. When he is not getting minutes he tries to do too much and he winds up doing crazy things. At end of his soph year when he was getting big minutes he played his best ball by far.  BTW I am not even saying he should get big minutes, just that is what he needs to be effective.