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Replacement for Lavin

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cjfish

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2014, 11:44:08 AM »
Quote from: CC on November 19, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: cjfish on November 16, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
Went to the Providence/Albany Game in providence.  Great coaching job by Will Brown, Albany coach. In first game of the year his team ran the offensive sets beautifully and played solid D against a far bigger and athletically superior Providence team, taking them to the wire.  I think SJU needs to start thinking seriously about replacing Lavin and I nominate Brown, a great bench coach and solid recruiter who has made the tournament.  Only question, can he recruit at a major conference level? 

2 games into the season and you post this?  Absurd

Not absurd at all.  Only continues a long time topic under a different title.  Lavin's tenure has been a joke and the sooner a replacement is considered the better.  He does have good talent this year and I hope he does well but history suggests differently.  Research what the UCLA people think about him and you will see that his lack of ability is longstanding. 
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bigmaxnosauce

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2014, 12:06:48 PM »
Glenn Braica or Ron Naclerio

I concur with the assessment that this thread is ridiculous...Now after they lose their first game I am all for it
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mullin85berry86

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2014, 12:36:13 PM »
How about a former ST. John's player that has \NBA coaching experience
Is Mark Jackson a possibility? Is he some what close to the school?

Call him up and ask, it couldn't hurt to.
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paultzman

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2014, 12:39:57 PM »
Dayton just beat Texas A&M. Schoochie Smith chose right program Man, Archie Miller has a great future. Team played poorly, hung in there and stole game. Coaching!
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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2014, 01:38:13 PM »
Quote from: mullin85berry86 on November 20, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
How about a former ST. John's player that has \NBA coaching experience
Is Mark Jackson a possibility? Is he some what close to the school?

Call him up and ask, it couldn't hurt to.

He couldnt be farther removed from the school than he currently is
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bigmaxnosauce

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2014, 01:53:23 PM »
Zippy the Flying Squirrel
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paultzman

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2014, 02:02:30 PM »
Quote from: bigmaxnosauce on November 20, 2014, 01:53:23 PM
Zippy the Flying Squirrel

Joke school in the cards? Boy.
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bigmaxnosauce

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2014, 02:07:21 PM »
Don't knock Zippy.  He coached Paulie Walnut's Flying Circus to 4 consecutive National Clown titles
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thetruth8734

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2014, 02:11:31 PM »
Steve Masiello?
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bigmaxnosauce

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2014, 03:18:30 PM »
Its been fun...well not really.  Peace out. 
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nudginator59

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2014, 03:21:39 PM »
the last time that an SJU coach had 3 consecutive winning seasons was Papa Lou....The last time that SJU overall had 3 consecutive wining season was the last year of Fran and the first two years of Jarvis. stata pulled from Wikipedia).  As frustrating and annoying Lavin maybe, he has done some things that no other coach has done since Louie...Unless this team completely collapses this year.

Unless there is a proven choice that can exceed what Lavin has done, I would be careful for what we wish for. The only really disappointing year so far out of his tenure was last year up to now.  He already has  one decent recruit for next year as well.

His also has 2BE rookies of the year and two of his players are on NBA teams. That is not half bad.... The eligibility issues are embarrassing but there has been no violations so far...we hope....

I'm not a Lavin fanatic, I just don't understand why people want to get rid of him after only 3 games. If he gets into the tournament and wins 1-2 games  and recruits a solid class, isn't that what we wanted after five years.

If SJU will look for a 3rd coach in six years, he better be a slam dunk choice. Again excluding a complete collapse, but I think it would be hard not to give him a 2-3yr extension even if he just makes the NIT, without a clear favorite to replace him.
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simplyred

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2014, 03:27:31 PM »
Quote from: mullin85berry86 on November 20, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
How about a former ST. John's player that has \NBA coaching experience
Is Mark Jackson a possibility? Is he some what close to the school?

Call him up and ask, it couldn't hurt to.

That's a fantastic and novel suggestion.
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Marco Baldi

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2014, 07:31:08 PM »
Massielo or Hurley. Local boys done good
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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2014, 07:35:36 PM »
Quote from: Marco Baldi on November 20, 2014, 07:31:08 PM
Massielo or Hurley. Local boys done good

+1
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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2014, 07:42:50 PM »
Quote from: cjfish on November 16, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
Went to the Providence/Albany Game in providence.  Great coaching job by Will Brown, Albany coach. In first game of the year his team ran the offensive sets beautifully and played solid D against a far bigger and athletically superior Providence team, taking them to the wire.  I think SJU needs to start thinking seriously about replacing Lavin and I nominate Brown, a great bench coach and solid recruiter who has made the tournament.  Only question, can he recruit at a major conference level? 

This thread is a joke.  Our fans suck. 
As for Brown, I am friends with him and I've worked with him.  He is a great coach, but his connections (a lot of guys he put in contact with) won't carryover to the high D1 level at this point.  NY and NYC are LOADED with talented kids to play at the lower levels.  He needs to move on to a bigger program first.  I have no doubt he will eventually be a successful coach at a higher level, but he can't just make the jump from Albany. You can no longer make one call and get three names of kids that can start for you past that level.



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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2014, 07:54:49 PM »
We should start looking for Lavin's replacement's replacement.  You guys aren't happy with anyone ever, so it's pretty much a certainty the masses will be displeased with whoever follows. Maybe Abdelmassih?  He could be ready by then.

Here is a quote from AbdelMassih, a former St. John's team manager, about Iowa State fans vs. St. John's:  "I visted Iowa State twice before for basketball games, and one thing I was just absolutely impressed and loved was the support they give their athletics. Not only with basketball but  football and all the other sports.  Being from New York, the sports fans there are a lot different, so I never really got to experience the love and admiration they have for their athletic teams...."

http://www.cyclones.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?&db_oem_id=10700&id=747100
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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2014, 08:03:53 PM »
I agree with many of Marillac 's points.

Particularly these:

1. Our fans suck.   This is not debatable.

2. STJ fans will cry and complain about whoever is the next coach or the one after that. 


Disclaimer: this is not a Lavin endorsement. 

He is here this year.   We have talent on this team. I hope they all do well.
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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2014, 06:54:24 AM »
We were all happy with Lavin for the first two and half seasons.   
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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2014, 06:56:40 AM »
Quote from: boo3 on November 20, 2014, 08:03:53 PM
I agree with many of Marillac 's points.

Particularly these:

1. Our fans suck.   This is not debatable.

2. STJ fans will cry and complain about whoever is the next coach or the one after that. 


Disclaimer: this is not a Lavin endorsement. 

He is here this year.   We have talent on this team. I hope they all do well.

Boo, I have an actual question for you, this isn't rhetorical: name a program that has struggled as much as us the last 20 years that has "good" fans

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Hit The Gym Slob

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Re: Replacement for Lavin
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2014, 07:34:16 AM »
Is the truth really that we suck or is the fact that St Johns has played in one (1) NCAA Tournament game in the last 13 seasons a legitimate gripe for fans.

in addition to that, "Coach" Lavin has failed completely to field a front court this year after losing Sampson and Sanchez.  The recruiting for the future of the program is even worse...at this rate, next year's team is going to look like Norm Roberts' first squad but the difference was Norm put that team together in a few months, where Lavin has had years to do this and he has completely swung and missed at this coaching job in every aspect - from recruiting to in game coaching - Lavin has been a complete and utter failure.

He has a high profile job where he is compensated very well and he is paid to perform well (which he hasfailed to do) and this is the way sports works....when teams suck, the coach gets questioned and replacements start getting mentioned.

The writing is on the wall and Lavin shouldbe fired the day after the season ends unless some sort of remarkable turnaround occurs in all areas of the program (especially recruiting) and it just isnt happening.

Lets be honest if Lavin did a good job we wouldnt be talking about replacements so all of this goes directly back to him and the inept nitwits on his staff.
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