Syracuse Game Discussion

Quote from: nudginator59 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:46 PM

Quote from: we are sju on December 06, 2014, 11:27:25 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on December 06, 2014, 11:24:39 PM

I'm a Lavin supporter as some know. But it has absolutely been fair game to criticize him for game strategy, odd rotations, player development and the 2014 recruiting. Just like we praised him for handling the roster the right way (ultimately) in year one and his first few recruiting hauls. One game doesn't change that. But let's focus on the win and hopefully a continued improvement in the areas that coach has been criticized.

What he said

Does anyone thjnk having a stable asst coach has helped this year, or is it that this team is full of Vetrans?

It's both. Too many people aren't patient enough. Whitesell didn't start until like August and people wanted results immediately without him having the benefit of a single summer with the team. Dom played very well defensively on McCullagh. I think he's at his best defending tall, long PFs. Chris was a little overmatched at times with Christmas, but our help d in the paint is awesome--especially when we front. Chris is so good at going up and getting boards out of thin air, but he does not box out or find his guy well. Dom pinned McCullah several times and Ali B pins finds someone every shot and pins them without any hope of them getting a rebound. Lost in this win was the fact that we got two freshman minutes. Ali B was in there with ten minutes left in the second half. This is the kind of winning that programs carry on for years. This will be with St. John's three years after this season is over with those two. Harrison did a great job on Cooney in the first half. I didn't watch as closely in the second, but he didn't give Cooney an inch in the first. Jordan was awful to end the game. The sloppy pass that led to the flagrant, two missed FTs in a huge spot, two awful lob passes into the corner (guaranteed trap from Cuse), the travel....wow. Dom had the travel too and it looked like last season all over with the mistake patrol of Sampson-Pointer-Sanchez-Jordan. Jordan is such a talent, though, and can get contact with the best of them. He just needs to be smarter.

Rysheed had a phenomenal pass to Greene in the right corner late in the game. Got in the gap and found the open man. It was Greene first three late. 

Quote from: Marillac on December 07, 2014, 12:10:44 AM

Quote from: nudginator59 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:46 PM

Quote from: we are sju on December 06, 2014, 11:27:25 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on December 06, 2014, 11:24:39 PM

I'm a Lavin supporter as some know. But it has absolutely been fair game to criticize him for game strategy, odd rotations, player development and the 2014 recruiting. Just like we praised him for handling the roster the right way (ultimately) in year one and his first few recruiting hauls. One game doesn't change that. But let's focus on the win and hopefully a continued improvement in the areas that coach has been criticized.

What he said

Does anyone thjnk having a stable asst coach has helped this year, or is it that this team is full of Vetrans?

It's both. Too many people aren't patient enough. Whitesell didn't start until like August and people wanted results immediately without him having the benefit of a single summer with the team. Dom played very well defensively on McCullagh. I think he's at his best defending tall, long PFs. Chris was a little overmatched at times with Christmas, but our help d in the paint is awesome--especially when we front. Chris is so good at going up and getting boards out of thin air, but he does not box out or find his guy well. Dom pinned McCullah several times and Ali B pins finds someone every shot and pins them without any hope of them getting a rebound. Lost in this win was the fact that we got two freshman minutes. Ali B was in there with ten minutes left in the second half. This is the kind of winning that programs carry on for years. This will be with St. John's three years after this season is over with those two. Harrison did a great job on Cooney in the first half. I didn't watch as closely in the second, but he didn't give Cooney an inch in the first. Jordan was awful to end the game. The sloppy pass that led to the flagrant, two missed FTs in a huge spot, two awful lob passes into the corner (guaranteed trap from Cuse), the travel....wow. Dom had the travel too and it looked like last season all over with the mistake patrol of Sampson-Pointer-Sanchez-Jordan. Jordan is such a talent, though, and can get contact with the best of them. He just needs to be smarter.

Rysheed had a phenomenal pass to Greene in the right corner late in the game. Got in the gap and found the open man. It was Greene first three late.

When Dom traveled NO ONE came to him, when he was stuck. Dlo and the others stood there frozen, so the team didn't help there. Just part of the game, they made up for it later. Agree with Mase, Rysheed made a nice pass at the end to Phil for a 3.

I thi

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2014/12/syracuse_basketball_loses_to_stjohns_69-57_brent_axe_recap.html#incart_river

One of the articles mentioned COs short shorts, I think it was the ghost of SJU past. Between the old SJU lettering and COs short shorts, the 80s called and said we want our basketball team back as well as veing relevant again.

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2014/12/syracuse_basketball_loses_to_stjohns_69-57_brent_axe_recap.html#incart_river

http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2014/12/syracuse_basketball_loses_to_stjohns_69-57_brent_axe_recap.html#incart_river

Thanks capmaker.
Quote: "Nice to see some old Big East basketball in 2014 in a real game at the Carrier Dome instead of some documentary about the old Big East."
Hear. Hear.

Does anyone thjnk having a stable asst coach has helped this year, or is it that this team is full of Vetrans?

The latter. Just like the 2011 group, they're at a point where they don't really need a coach, which is just as well, because they don't have one.

Quote from: nudginator59 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:46 PM

Does anyone thjnk having a stable asst coach has helped this year, or is it that this team is full of Vetrans?

The latter. Just like the 2011 group, they're at a point where they don't really need a coach, which is just as well, because they don't have one.

you are a miserable thing

Watching Phil Greene take over was so sweet, the block by Obekpa which led to the 3 by Phill with 42 seconds left was pure awesomeness

So, my brother got married last night.  I have seen zero seconds of this game.
The question now becomes, do I stop watching games all-together?     Is my negative karma what has caused this program to be in disarray for so long?
I'm generally not a superstitious person, but this warrants serious consideration I think.   Also; awesome win.  Such a great feeling when people told me the score last night.

What a win.....so happy for seniors!

Quote from: Foad on December 07, 2014, 09:34:50 AM

Quote from: nudginator59 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:46 PM

Does anyone thjnk having a stable asst coach has helped this year, or is it that this team is full of Vetrans?

The latter. Just like the 2011 group, they're at a point where they don't really need a coach, which is just as well, because they don't have one.

you are a miserable thing

Thanks 

Quote from: Foad on December 07, 2014, 09:34:50 AM

Quote from: nudginator59 on December 06, 2014, 11:32:46 PM

Does anyone thjnk having a stable asst coach has helped this year, or is it that this team is full of Vetrans?

The latter. Just like the 2011 group, they're at a point where they don't really need a coach, which is just as well, because they don't have one.

you are a miserable thing

I think there's a lot of truth to what he said.   This is a team of essentially 6 players.   Four seniors, a junior, and a very talented sophomore.   They're not winning because of any new strategy, they're making more foul shots than they did as freshmen and sophomores.   And now they have defined roles, not by scheme, but because it's a 6-man rotation.   Our guys know where to expect their teammates to be on the court because their coach is forced to play the same guys together for the vast majority of the game.   I'm not trying to be intentionally cynical, but its a simple observation that when Lavin had a deeper bench, there was more room for him to screw it up.

Just saw news highlights of game and they confirmed what I thought I saw at the end of the game as Classless Boeheim virtually ignored Lavin at end of game--he said nothing, just stuck his hand out but did not even look a Lavin.   This despite their shared prostate cancer and this game being played during Coaches vs. Cancer week.  He always was a crying Richard Head.  Excuse can't lose enough for me.

Every once in a while, Boeheim's facade vanishes and the real prick in him comes out - sore f'n cheap arse loser.

Quote from: redslope on December 06, 2014, 10:51:20 PM

Just saw news highlights of game and they confirmed what I thought I saw at the end of the game as Classless Boeheim virtually ignored Lavin at end of game--he said nothing, just stuck his hand out but did not even look a Lavin. This despite their shared prostate cancer and this game being played during Coaches vs. Cancer week. He always was a crying Richard Head. Excuse can't lose enough for me.

Every once in a while, Boeheim's facade vanishes and the real prick in him comes out - sore f'n cheap arse loser.

I don't think it's anything personal with Lavin, Jimmy B is just a sore loser like you said.
Im watching the replay on WatchEspn and the first camera shot of the game is the two of them talking at midcourt before the game.  

What your saying is the coach has little effect on players improving, playing well together, winning in a hostile environment, against an all time successful coach. Sorry that makes no sense. This team is going to continue to win and the head coach will be a big part of that.

What your saying is the coach has little effect on players improving, playing well together, winning in a hostile environment, against an all time successful coach. Sorry that makes no sense. This team is going to continue to win and the head coach will be a big part of that.

Today's not the day to fight this battle, but needless to say I disagree pretty strongly.  They're a strong group of kids who fight hard.   Things haven't come easy to them.
But they generally win despite their coach, not because of him.

If I'm going to give Lavin credit it will be for not letting the wheels completely fall off.  I think there were times last season, and certainly in the off-season, when it would have been very easy for the team to lose all confidence.   But they didn't.
Call that the cheerleader in him, the salesman.. whatever it is, he does have a way it seems to keep the team thinking positively.   And he deserves credit for that.   I also specifically remember at times last season when Obekpa was nearly useless and couldn't do a thing right.   Coach kept talking to him, and gave him confidence, and eventually he turned things around.
Maybe that positivity paid off in a hostile environment yesterday.  Maybe he kept them loose.  

 

What your saying is the coach has little effect on players improving, playing well together, winning in a hostile environment, against an all time successful coach. Sorry that makes no sense. This team is going to continue to win and the head coach will be a big part of that.

You haven't been reading these boards. If they win it's because of Sr. Leadership. If they loose it's because of bad coachingLOL.

It's time to start the contract extension argument.  It would really help recruiting.  The team and guys individually have really gotten better.  Just look.

It's time to start the contract extension argument. It would really help recruiting. The team and guys individually have really gotten better. Just look.

can't we just enjoy this win for 1 day before you make me throw up?

Quote from: hnk on December 07, 2014, 12:45:49 PM

It's time to start the contract extension argument. It would really help recruiting. The team and guys individually have really gotten better. Just look.

can't we just enjoy this win for 1 day before you make me throw up?

A  contract extension does not mean a coach can't be fired.  That's what buyout clauses are for.  You can't have your coach trying to recruit without a contract.
Anyway, last post on this subject for now.  I'm still high off yesterday's victory.