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But we're not talented enough to overcome being shorthanded, being short literally in the front court, and having a below average coaching staff.

Below average coaching staff? They had this team with all of their shortcomings top 25 in the nation. If anything the failure of the staff has been on the recruiting front. Didn't believe 5 years in that would be the issue, but the fact that 5 years in we only have one serious offensive threat is a complete failure. Lavin can coach don't let the inability of the players to execute skew your perception. I think the staff has done a excellent coaching job this season.

Quote from: desco80 on January 03, 2015, 06:24:36 PM

But we're not talented enough to overcome being shorthanded, being short literally in the front court, and having a below average coaching staff.

Below average coaching staff? They had this team with all of their shortcomings top 25 in the nation. If anything the failure of the staff has been on the recruiting front. Didn't believe 5 years in that would be the issue, but the fact that 5 years in we only have one serious offensive threat is a complete failure. Lavin can coach don't let the inability of the players to execute skew your perception. I think the staff has done a excellent coaching job this season.

One more day to enjoy that top 25 thing anyway

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 03, 2015, 10:45:24 PM

Quote from: desco80 on January 03, 2015, 06:24:36 PM

But we're not talented enough to overcome being shorthanded, being short literally in the front court, and having a below average coaching staff.

Below average coaching staff? They had this team with all of their shortcomings top 25 in the nation. If anything the failure of the staff has been on the recruiting front. Didn't believe 5 years in that would be the issue, but the fact that 5 years in we only have one serious offensive threat is a complete failure. Lavin can coach don't let the inability of the players to execute skew your perception. I think the staff has done a excellent coaching job this season.

One more day to enjoy that top 25 thing anyway

Maybe so, but he has them competing at a very high level, deficiencies and all. Coach K couldn't do a better job with this team.

Quote from: we are sju on January 03, 2015, 10:47:12 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 03, 2015, 10:45:24 PM

Quote from: desco80 on January 03, 2015, 06:24:36 PM

But we're not talented enough to overcome being shorthanded, being short literally in the front court, and having a below average coaching staff.

Below average coaching staff? They had this team with all of their shortcomings top 25 in the nation. If anything the failure of the staff has been on the recruiting front. Didn't believe 5 years in that would be the issue, but the fact that 5 years in we only have one serious offensive threat is a complete failure. Lavin can coach don't let the inability of the players to execute skew your perception. I think the staff has done a excellent coaching job this season.

One more day to enjoy that top 25 thing anyway

Maybe so, but he has them competing at a very high level, deficiencies and all. If you think Coach K couldn't do a better job with this team.

For the most part I have been ok with Lavin this year. Couple little things. Was simply saying that top 25 things goes up in smoke on Monday. But yes coach K would be better, but he is also better than 99% of college coaches.

It was a harmless tweet.. for real, it was post Providence.. made mistake of having place of employment in my profile..  no longer the case.

I'm still blocked by STJ hoops and coach Lavin...

I get my info from you guys.... They think I'm the STJ insider at work,   ha

holy cow. They should worry about smooring out the recruiting instead of that crap. No one outside of hard core fans pay attention to ant of this anyway. Hearing that makes me wonder...

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Quote from: SJUFAN on January 03, 2015, 10:51:03 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 03, 2015, 10:47:12 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 03, 2015, 10:45:24 PM

Quote from: desco80 on January 03, 2015, 06:24:36 PM

But we're not talented enough to overcome being shorthanded, being short literally in the front court, and having a below average coaching staff.

Below average coaching staff? They had this team with all of their shortcomings top 25 in the nation. If anything the failure of the staff has been on the recruiting front. Didn't believe 5 years in that would be the issue, but the fact that 5 years in we only have one serious offensive threat is a complete failure. Lavin can coach don't let the inability of the players to execute skew your perception. I think the staff has done a excellent coaching job this season.

One more day to enjoy that top 25 thing anyway

Maybe so, but he has them competing at a very high level, deficiencies and all. If you think Coach K couldn't do a better job with this team.

For the most part I have been ok with Lavin this year. Couple little things. Was simply saying that top 25 things goes up in smoke on Monday. But yes coach K would be better, but he is also better than 99% of college coaches.

Are you sure Coach K would do a better Job? How exactly? Just because Coach K is the coach would not make teams stop laying off Dom on the perimeter. It's not going to make Branch play like Jay Williams or Phil shoot like Trajan Langdon. I'm not trying to say Lavin is as good as Coach K, not by any stretch. (Donnie Marshall did state in a broadcast this year that anyone around basketball knows Lavin is a top 10-15 coach) Don't think he would say that if he didn't believe so. There are many opportunities within our offense to make a play, its up to the players to execute, which means take the shot if your open, drive the ball to the basket when you see the lane. The defense is playing good, but the offense is struggling because of the personal, not the coach. The issue with Lavin is not his coaching, its been his recruiting.

To say Phil Greene is the weak link is taking those stats as some pure answer. .

The numbers show something. I'm not claiming they show everything. Greene is a volume scorer who's all volume and no scoring. He has fewer points than he has field goal attempts. That's mind boggling. And when he's not missing shots he doesn't do anything else. He doesn't defend, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't distribute, and he doesn't get to the free throw line. The only reason he's not the weak link is that there's another link called Jamal.  

  Are you sure Coach K would do a better Job?

Good grief.

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 04, 2015, 12:59:16 AM

Are you sure Coach K would do a better Job?

Good grief.

Lavin had this team ranked in the top 15 in the nation. How much better would Coach K make this team, top 5 ?!?!?!?. Compare the rosters. You are fouling yourself. Lavin has done a great job with this roster. Coach K is a great coach, but you still need players. I don't see Coach K cutting down the nets with nothing less than a McD All-American laden roster. So lets be realistic here. He also wouldn't have recruited most of these players either which adds to his success.

Quote from: Foad on January 04, 2015, 09:16:09 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 04, 2015, 12:59:16 AM

Are you sure Coach K would do a better Job?

Good grief.

Lavin had this team ranked in the top 15 in the nation. How much better would Coach K make this team, top 5 ?!?!?!?. Compare the rosters. You are fouling yourself. Lavin has done a great job with this roster. Coach K is a great coach, but you still need players. I don't see Coach K cutting down the nets with nothing less than a McD All-American laden roster. So lets be realistic here. He also wouldn't have recruited most of these players either which adds to his success.

Coach K wouldn't have a roster this devoid of depth and overall talent this far into his stint.  Period.  

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 04, 2015, 03:59:47 PM

Quote from: Foad on January 04, 2015, 09:16:09 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 04, 2015, 12:59:16 AM

Are you sure Coach K would do a better Job?

Good grief.

Lavin had this team ranked in the top 15 in the nation. How much better would Coach K make this team, top 5 ?!?!?!?. Compare the rosters. You are fouling yourself. Lavin has done a great job with this roster. Coach K is a great coach, but you still need players. I don't see Coach K cutting down the nets with nothing less than a McD All-American laden roster. So lets be realistic here. He also wouldn't have recruited most of these players either which adds to his success.

Coach K wouldn't have a roster this devoid of depth and overall talent this far into his stint. Period.

Coach K also isn't recruiting to St.John's. Duke is a top 20 school. Many of his players don't leave early because money isn't an issue for them. There's no pressure on them to support their entire deadbeat families. 

Quote from: bball purist on January 03, 2015, 08:43:54 PM

To say Phil Greene is the weak link is taking those stats as some pure answer. .

The numbers show something. I'm not claiming they show everything. Greene is a volume scorer who's all volume and no scoring. He has fewer points than he has field goal attempts. That's mind boggling. And when he's not missing shots he doesn't do anything else. He doesn't defend, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't distribute, and he doesn't get to the free throw line. The only reason he's not the weak link is that there's another link called Jamal.

The weak link is the bench. 

Greene is a volume scorer who's all volume and no scoring.

No scoring?  In two BE games he's been our second leading scorer twice.  He's shooting 42% from 3 in conference play.  The rest of the team, including 3'lo, is shooting 14% from 3.  If he's "no scoring",  what are the rest of our players not named Harrison?  He shot 60% from the field and 40% from 3 last night.
 
Mr. Magoo could see he's our 2nd best scoring option sans Savior.  Predictable and justified angst at the direction our season has taken should be directed elsewhere than this proud warrior.  Perhaps the coaching staff and Jordan are more suitable targets. 

He shot 60% from the field and 40% from 3 last night!!!

 

Quote from: Foad on January 04, 2015, 09:15:17 AM

Greene is a volume scorer who's all volume and no scoring.

No scoring? In two BE games he's been our second leading scorer twice. He's shooting 42% from 3 in conference play. The rest of the team, including 3'lo, is shooting 14% from 3. If he's "no scoring", what are the rest of our players not named Harrison? He shot 60% from the field and 40% from 3 last night. Mr. Magoo could see he's our 2nd best scoring option sans Savior. Predictable and justified angst at the direction our season has taken should be directed elsewhere than this proud warrior. Perhaps the coaching staff and Jordan are more suitable targets. He shot 60% from the field and 40% from 3 last night!!!

Thats all true and thats why we suck without Jordan. 

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 04, 2015, 06:53:52 PM

Quote from: Foad on January 04, 2015, 09:15:17 AM

Greene is a volume scorer who's all volume and no scoring.

No scoring? In two BE games he's been our second leading scorer twice. He's shooting 42% from 3 in conference play. The rest of the team, including 3'lo, is shooting 14% from 3. If he's "no scoring", what are the rest of our players not named Harrison? He shot 60% from the field and 40% from 3 last night. Mr. Magoo could see he's our 2nd best scoring option sans Savior. Predictable and justified angst at the direction our season has taken should be directed elsewhere than this proud warrior. Perhaps the coaching staff and Jordan are more suitable targets. He shot 60% from the field and 40% from 3 last night!!!

Thats all true and thats why we suck without Jordan.

"The Truth" is Walter Berry and my middle names.

Quote from: Foad on January 04, 2015, 09:15:17 AM

Quote from: bball purist on January 03, 2015, 08:43:54 PM

To say Phil Greene is the weak link is taking those stats as some pure answer. .

The numbers show something. I'm not claiming they show everything. Greene is a volume scorer who's all volume and no scoring. He has fewer points than he has field goal attempts. That's mind boggling. And when he's not missing shots he doesn't do anything else. He doesn't defend, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't distribute, and he doesn't get to the free throw line. The only reason he's not the weak link is that there's another link called Jamal.

The weak link is the bench.

The bench comprises 15 percent of FG attempts. They're not even part of what's being discussed.

Quote from: Foad on January 04, 2015, 09:16:09 AM

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 04, 2015, 12:59:16 AM

Are you sure Coach K would do a better Job?

Good grief.

Lavin had this team ranked in the top 15 in the nation. How much better would Coach K make this team, top 5 ?!?!?!?. Compare the rosters. You are fouling yourself. Lavin has done a great job with this roster. Coach K is a great coach, but you still need players. I don't see Coach K cutting down the nets with nothing less than a McD All-American laden roster. So lets be realistic here. He also wouldn't have recruited most of these players either which adds to his success.

You're out of your mind.

Yesterday there were substantial walk up ticket sales.  Long lines standing in the pouring rain.  That was not the lunatic fringe of fanatics that post on these boards; not season ticket and ticket package purchasers; not red white club members.  It was pure amateur hour.  Curiosity seekers.  Just regular Nyc sports fans intrigued by the #15 ranking and positive press.  Just the type of bandwagoners that build a fan base.

Once again.  Opportunity lost.