Plessy v. Ferguson

More than two thirds into our season and halfway into our conference schedule, 3'lo and Mean Joe are shooting the exact same 41% from the field and 35% from three.  Phil is shooting a much better percentage than D'lo in the conference portion alone.

So that's that.

Toughest case to make heads or tails of in 3 years of LS. Everyone in study group had a different take-my take is it was a very poorly written decision. As for Phil and Dlo they both shoot too low of a percentage both from 3 and overall.

More than two thirds into our season and halfway into our conference schedule, 3'lo and Mean Joe are shooting the exact same 41% from the field and 35% from three.  Phil is shooting a much better percentage than D'lo in the conference portion alone.

So that's that.

Harrison = 1.36 points per FGA
Greene = 1.05 points per FGA

Nice try though

As for Phil and Dlo they both shoot too low of a percentage both from 3 and overall.

Too low for what?  One has scored over 2000 points and only trails immortals Mullin and Sealy and is one of the all-time Johnny greats.  The other is well over 1000 points, 40th all-time Johnny scorer and climbing, and has had an outstanding career here.

Marcus Hatten shot 38% from the field and 28% from three in one of his only two years here.  Yet you go to a red white function and he's spoken about in the same reverential tones as Ronald Reagan at a republican national convention.

Perception is not reality and generally guards don't shoot that high a percentage no more.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2015, 12:58:28 AM

More than two thirds into our season and halfway into our conference schedule, 3'lo and Mean Joe are shooting the exact same 41% from the field and 35% from three.  Phil is shooting a much better percentage than D'lo in the conference portion alone.

So that's that.

Harrison = 1.36 points per FGA
Greene = 1.05 points per FGA

Nice try though

I'm looking at Redstormsports.com, Espn.com, Cbssports.com, Foxsports.com, Bigeast.org and boxscores everywhere and I don't see this stat. your showing.  Why is that?  Because it's some made up, obscure, minor peripheral stat that nobody gives a crap about.

I use stats like points scored, field goal and 3 point percentages, steals, assist/turnover ratios and rebounds to support my contentions.  You should try it.  It might help you make a good point sometime.

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2015, 01:06:05 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2015, 12:58:28 AM

More than two thirds into our season and halfway into our conference schedule, 3'lo and Mean Joe are shooting the exact same 41% from the field and 35% from three.  Phil is shooting a much better percentage than D'lo in the conference portion alone.

So that's that.

Harrison = 1.36 points per FGA
Greene = 1.05 points per FGA

Nice try though

I'm looking at Redstormsports.com, Espn.com, Cbssports.com, Bigeast.org and boxscores everywhere and I don't see this stat. your showing.  Why is that?  Because it's some made up, minor peripheral stat that nobody gives a crap about.

I use stats like points scored, field goal and 3 point percentages, steals, assist/turnover ratios and rebounds to support my contentions.  You should try it.  It might help you make a good point sometime.

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

Not needed.  I have an IQ of 86 and I'm a distinguished graduate of an esteemed American institution of higher learning that's not St. John's.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you.

If it's so important, how come it's not in boxcores and the most heavily trafficked sports related non-soccer websites in the world?
 

Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

You have missed my point entirely. Perhaps that's my bad for not being clearer.  I do not believe that Triangle is better than or as good as 3'lo.  What do you think I'm an imbecile? Don't answer that.  Nobody does.  Your trying to prove to me something everybody and I already know.

My point is that the last two Phil bashing holdouts in the free world have as recently as this week cited field goal percentages ( an accepted and respected stat far and wide for judging basketball performance by the way ) in a misguided, desperate attempt to yet again demean my favorite player.  This thread cleverly nullifies their claim as Phil is now shooting the same FG% and 3pt% as one of the greatest players in the history of the St. John's University basketball program.  Better than him in conference play.  Condemning Phil for his shooting percentages would now de facto condemn the third leading scorer in school history.  And that would be silly.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Not the first time I've exhibited blind Love.  You should see Mrs. A.
 

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Agree, Phil Greene is a one trick pony who's not very good at his one trick. Which is one of the reasons his PPS is so low, because he does everything else so poorly: his sloppy handle means he can't drive and create contact so he doesn't get free throws; he doesn't rebound so he doesn't get put backs; he doesn't defend so he gets no steals for easy baskets. On the other hand you need someone to take a long two with his foot on the three point line and a thirty percent chance of going in, he's your guy, no question.

More than two thirds into our season and halfway into our conference schedule, 3'lo and Mean Joe are shooting the exact same 41% from the field and 35% from three.  Phil is shooting a much better percentage than D'lo in the conference portion alone.

So that's that.

Why dont you just change your screen name to Phil Greene?
90% of your posts refer to him.

What are you gonna do next year?

And what the hell in gods name does the title of this thread have to do with the contents?

And what the hell in gods name does the title of this thread have to do with the contents?

Plessy stood for the proposition that segregation between blacks and whites is constitutional. Carmine seems to be arguing that Greene deserves preferential treatment as well.

I will give Phil Greene this much, he is def in the top 10 SJU players who played for 4 years and never made a tourney.
1. Harrison
2. Darryl Hill
3. Lamont Hamilton
4.Sir Dom
5. Mase jr
6. Greene
 

I will give Phil Greene this much, he is def in the top 10 SJU players who played for 4 years and never made a tourney.
1. Harrison
2. Darryl Hill
3. Lamont Hamilton
4.Sir Dom
5. Mase jr
6. Greene
 

You missed Geno.

Quote from: we are sju on February 05, 2015, 10:27:29 AM

I will give Phil Greene this much, he is def in the top 10 SJU players who played for 4 years and never made a tourney.
1. Harrison
2. Darryl Hill
3. Lamont Hamilton
4.Sir Dom
5. Mase jr
6. Greene
 

You missed Geno.

I will never miss Geno

Toughest case to make heads or tails of in 3 years of LS. Everyone in study group had a different take-my take is it was a very poorly written decision. As for Phil and Dlo they both shoot too low of a percentage both from 3 and overall.

I've heard that said before, but truthfully I didn't think it was that difficult of a case to make sense of.  Equal protection doesn't mean equal accommodations, it means the state can't forcefully separate people based on race.   
Harlan's dissent made perfect sense, whereas you'd be hard pressed to name any of the 7 justices in the majority.   

I will give Phil Greene this much, he is def in the top 10 SJU players who played for 4 years and never made a tourney.
1. Harrison
2. Darryl Hill
3. Lamont Hamilton
4.Sir Dom
5. Mase jr
6. Greene

I honestly might put sir Dom number two.  His senior year way better than hill and Monty.

Quote from: we are sju on February 05, 2015, 10:27:29 AM

I will give Phil Greene this much, he is def in the top 10 SJU players who played for 4 years and never made a tourney.
1. Harrison
2. Darryl Hill
3. Lamont Hamilton
4.Sir Dom
5. Mase jr
6. Greene

I honestly might put sir Dom number two.  His senior year way better than hill and Monty.

At that same token wasnt mase's first three years better than Dom's first 3? I might put Dom ahead of Lamont but not Showtime.

On a more serious note does anyone else think we should proactively notify the authorities that some time in the near future Phil Greene will be chained up in Carmine's basement next to Avery Patterson?

Quote from: Celtics11 on February 05, 2015, 01:03:49 AM

Toughest case to make heads or tails of in 3 years of LS. Everyone in study group had a different take-my take is it was a very poorly written decision. As for Phil and Dlo they both shoot too low of a percentage both from 3 and overall.

I've heard that said before, but truthfully I didn't think it was that difficult of a case to make sense of.  Equal protection doesn't mean equal accommodations, it means the state can't forcefully separate people based on race.   
Harlan's dissent made perfect sense, whereas you'd be hard pressed to name any of the 7 justices in the majority.   

May have confused it with another case. One I was thinking of was a CPL case. Almost 40 years ago for me and I guess memory ain't what it used to be.

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2015, 01:58:49 AM

Let me put this in clearer terms for you.

For every 100 shots Harrison takes, he will score about 136 points.
For every 100 shots Greene takes, he will score about 105 points.

If you don't think thats an important stat then I can't help you. Not to mention that Harrison draws the other team's best defender and is the main focus of the defense.

Also, I will show you KenPom stats, which many people both inside and outside of college basketball use as their bible to show you that Harrison is light years ahead of Greene in pretty much every statistical category.

But I guess your blind love for Greene keeps you from doing simple math, and that's fine

Agree, Phil Greene is a one trick pony who's not very good at his one trick. Which is one of the reasons his PPS is so low, because he does everything else so poorly: his sloppy handle means he can't drive and create contact so he doesn't get free throws; he doesn't rebound so he doesn't get put backs; he doesn't defend so he gets no steals for easy baskets. On the other hand you need someone to take a long two with his foot on the three point line and a thirty percent chance of going in, he's your guy, no question.

He has a great handle.  That's why he turns the ball over so infrequently.  He's a good defensive player.  That's why he averages more than 1 steal a game and is among the leaders in conference play.  His shooting percentage is better than 40% overall and better than 40% from three in conference play yet you think his shots have a 30% chance of going in.  I'll try using graphs or pie charts for you next time.

And oh yeah....SYRACUSE!