Bubble Watch

so bummed about St. Francis losing last night...

3/10/15

Championship/bubble games:

NEC: Robert Morris (18-14) @ St. Francis (23-10)-  Robert Morris heads to the dance

Horizon: Green Bay (24-7) @ Valparaiso (27-5) - Valparaiso takes the Horizon league, looking like a 13 seed or so.

Summit: North Dakota St. (22-9) @ South Dakota St (23-9) - The Bison stampede the Jackrabbits to take the Summit (sorry, just wanted to write jack rabbit)

WCC/bubble: BYU (25-8) @ Gonzaga (31-2) - Should be interesting to see what happens to BYU.  Gonzaga shocks the world and makes the tournament

Absurd if BYU doesn't get in

so bummed about St. Francis losing last night...

Free throws killed them. Not just the last 3. Shame

Iona and St. Francis losing hurts Seton Hall's NIT chances.  Because both are guaranteed NIT spots because of the conference champion rule.

If they had won they would be NCAA bound and the losers of those games Manhattan and RMU would NOT be under consideration for NIT bids because of their weak RPI's. 

So by IONA and SFU losing in a perverse way helps their conferences.  It thus guarantees 2 spots (1 each in the NCAA and NIT) in the two most high profile post season tourneys.

3/10/15

Championship/bubble games:

NEC: Robert Morris (18-14) @ St. Francis (23-10)-  Robert Morris heads to the dance

Horizon: Green Bay (24-7) @ Valparaiso (27-5) - Valparaiso takes the Horizon league, looking like a 13 seed or so.

Summit: North Dakota St. (22-9) @ South Dakota St (23-9) - The Bison stampede the Jackrabbits to take the Summit (sorry, just wanted to write jack rabbit)

WCC/bubble: BYU (25-8) @ Gonzaga (31-2) - Should be interesting to see what happens to BYU.  Gonzaga shocks the world and makes the tournament

i can't be the only one excited about valpo being a 13 again, can I?

3/11/15  Bubble and Championship games:

Championship:

Patriot League:  American U (17-15) @ Lafayette (19-12) - Is it un-American to root for Lafayette?  These two might be battling it out for the right to battle it out for the right to play Kentucky.  What a reward.

Bubble:

Washington @ Stanford (18-12) - Stanford needs some wins and some help.

Texas Tech @ Texas (19-12) - A loss will likely be the end for Texas.

Virginia Tech @ Miami (20-11)- Wave bye bye with a loss.  Need at least a couple of wins.

Pitt (19-13) @ NC State (19-12) - NC State probably safe either way, but an extra win never hurt.  Pitt needs this and then some....and then some.

3/11/15  Bubble and Championship games:

Championship:

Patriot League:  American U (17-15) @ Lafayette (19-12) - Is it un-American to root for Lafayette?  These two might be battling it out for the right to battle it out for the right to play Kentucky.  What a reward.

Bubble:

Washington @ Stanford (18-12) - Stanford needs some wins and some help.

Texas Tech @ Texas (19-12) - A loss will likely be the end for Texas.

Virginia Tech @ Miami (20-11)- Wave bye bye with a loss.  Need at least a couple of wins.

Pitt (19-13) @ NC State (19-12) - NC State probably safe either way, but an extra win never hurt.  Pitt needs this and then some....and then some.

So I guess the only team who deserves a bid is the winner of the Patriot

Huh?

Huh?

Rest don't deserve a bid, unless they win their tournament of course

Not when compared to Iona

Not when compared to Iona

Stanford finished 5th, Miami and Texas 6th, NC State 7th.

Quote from: LoganK on March 11, 2015, 06:09:59 PM

Not when compared to Iona

Stanford finished 5th, Miami and Texas 6th, NC State 7th.

In leagues loaded with talent.   
I agree with you about the play-in games featuring midmajors.   And maybe more conferences should give their bid to the regular season champ.
But I would take texas or NC State over Iona.   They can give good teams a run for their money.   I dont think Iona can win a game in the ncaas.

Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid

Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid

Not all. Just enough to get to 68 teams.

Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid

Not every win is equal.  Not every loss is equal.  Not every conference record is equal.  Texas played 5 top 20 teams twice each in conference. Their "easy" conference games were OK State (RPI 45, BPI 30), K State (RPI 83, BPI 76), TCU (RPI 126, BPI 62, 13-0 non-conference), and Texas Tech (RPI 172, BPI 142).  Texas Tech would give the top of the MAAC and the OVC a run for their money.  So would TCU.  They won a combined 7 games in the Big 12.  Texas would have won every game by 10+ in the MAAC, and they are barely hanging on because they played in the Big 12 and lost 10 games in conference. 

The NCAA committee has to pick the best 36 at-large teams they can.  Not the 30 best teams and 6 teams that would make the best underdogs. 

Bottom line is Texas, OK State, Miami, NC State, Indiana, Xavier, etc., are better than most of the smaller conference teams with 20+ wins (or whatever arbitrary number).

Ask a Vegas oddsmaker who would have better odds to win the tourney, Kansas State or Iona, then remember that K State finished 8th in the Big 12.

 Stop crying Baldi..  You guys spit the bit and lost to Manhattan.  You played no one all season and have zero quality wins ( outside of Manhattan, in committee's eyes)...

NIT will be fun and better competition for you guys. 

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 11, 2015, 07:42:21 PM

Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid

Not every win is equal.  Not every loss is equal.  Not every conference record is equal.  Texas played 5 top 20 teams twice each in conference. Their "easy" conference games were OK State (RPI 45, BPI 30), K State (RPI 83, BPI 76), TCU (RPI 126, BPI 62, 13-0 non-conference), and Texas Tech (RPI 172, BPI 142).  Texas Tech would give the top of the MAAC and the OVC a run for their money.  So would TCU.  They won a combined 7 games in the Big 12.  Texas would have won every game by 10+ in the MAAC, and they are barely hanging on because they played in the Big 12 and lost 10 games in conference. 

The NCAA committee has to pick the best 36 at-large teams they can.  Not the 30 best teams and 6 teams that would make the best underdogs. 

Bottom line is Texas, OK State, Miami, NC State, Indiana, Xavier, etc., are better than most of the smaller conference teams with 20+ wins (or whatever arbitrary number).

Ask a Vegas oddsmaker who would have better odds to win the tourney, Kansas State or Iona, then remember that K State finished 8th in the Big 12.

So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.

Stop crying Baldi..  You guys spit the bit and lost to Manhattan.  You played no one all season and have zero quality wins ( outside of Manhattan, in committee's eyes)...

NIT will be fun and better competition for you guys. 

I'm not even talking about Iona. You guys keep bringing it up. Murray St. Old D, La tech, BYU should be in no matter what

Quote from: LoganK on March 11, 2015, 09:03:55 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 11, 2015, 07:42:21 PM

Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid

Not every win is equal.  Not every loss is equal.  Not every conference record is equal.  Texas played 5 top 20 teams twice each in conference. Their "easy" conference games were OK State (RPI 45, BPI 30), K State (RPI 83, BPI 76), TCU (RPI 126, BPI 62, 13-0 non-conference), and Texas Tech (RPI 172, BPI 142).  Texas Tech would give the top of the MAAC and the OVC a run for their money.  So would TCU.  They won a combined 7 games in the Big 12.  Texas would have won every game by 10+ in the MAAC, and they are barely hanging on because they played in the Big 12 and lost 10 games in conference. 

The NCAA committee has to pick the best 36 at-large teams they can.  Not the 30 best teams and 6 teams that would make the best underdogs. 

Bottom line is Texas, OK State, Miami, NC State, Indiana, Xavier, etc., are better than most of the smaller conference teams with 20+ wins (or whatever arbitrary number).

Ask a Vegas oddsmaker who would have better odds to win the tourney, Kansas State or Iona, then remember that K State finished 8th in the Big 12.

So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.

Those teams each have 3+ wins against ranked teams baldi.
NC state has beaten Duke, UNC and Louisville.  You do that and win approx 20 games, you deserve to dance.   A team like that can string together some wins ND reach the sweet 16 if things go right.
Iona wouldn't get out of the first round even if they played perfectly.
your guys needed to win their tourny, or schedule tougher non conference opponents.

So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.

Not true.  Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule.  The NCAA has not made that a secret.  They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games. 
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses.  Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO.  Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in.  The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.