Obekpa suspended

Quote from: jr49 on March 15, 2015, 08:39:46 PM

I no longer think we can attract good players

Brandon Sampson says, Hi!

I did not feel that way at the time he committed. I am down but would not be if it was Sampson plus 2 good bigs. Steve should be recruiting to fill starting positions at 5 different spots and he has filled one position with 2 players. If Jordan comes back we still be short 4 positions. What are we lookin at, bench players at 4 starting spots. And no bench behind the starters who are the bench players. Are we waiting for summer school to start to bring in players only to find out it was a scam and they can't take the court? This was a sorry post so I will stop now.

940 pm game time. Really perfect time. No work!

The hate and vitriol that have been spewed throughout this topic is incredible.  While I am extremely upset with CO's lack of judgment and what it means to his teammates and us fans, the school-not the coach- made the right decision.  The school has a code of conduct which indicates penalties for infractions.  A violation of school conduct occurred and a penalty was assessed as it would be to any other student, suspension from non academic school activities.  Lavin did not make this suspension unilaterally but in conjunction with the AD and school administration.  If he knew the infraction and covered up, he should have definitely been fired on the spot unlike a coach of an upstate school whose administration kisses his butt. 

That said--let's take it forward one game at a time; now beat SD State!

If any other student were guilty of the "crime" that Obekpa committed, they would get a ticket that would result in a fine. So, actually no, he's not being treated like every other student, because if he was, St.John's wouldn't have any damn students left.

Quote from: redslope on March 15, 2015, 09:53:49 PM

The hate and vitriol that have been spewed throughout this topic is incredible.  While I am extremely upset with CO's lack of judgment and what it means to his teammates and us fans, the school-not the coach- made the right decision.  The school has a code of conduct which indicates penalties for infractions.  A violation of school conduct occurred and a penalty was assessed as it would be to any other student, suspension from non academic school activities.  Lavin did not make this suspension unilaterally but in conjunction with the AD and school administration.  If he knew the infraction and covered up, he should have definitely been fired on the spot unlike a coach of an upstate school whose administration kisses his butt. 

That said--let's take it forward one game at a time; now beat SD State!

If any other student were guilty of the "crime" that Obekpa committed, they would get a ticket that would result in a fine. So, actually no, he's not being treated like every other student, because if he was, St.John's wouldn't have any damn students left.

whether or not it's right, and i'm sure everyone in here is on the same page about how harmful pot use is, those rules apply the same to everyone on the team, and they're not a surprise. lavin didn't suddenly say "oh hey don't smoke pot guys also there's a drug test today hope you can pass your pizz quiz!"

the only person to blame for this is obekpa, and words can't describe how disappointed he makes me. I hope he gets his shit together and stops being so selfish in the offseason and failing that, i hope he finds his way into not being drafted so he can't let me down anymore.

Quote from: Poison on March 15, 2015, 10:04:15 PM

Quote from: redslope on March 15, 2015, 09:53:49 PM

The hate and vitriol that have been spewed throughout this topic is incredible.  While I am extremely upset with CO's lack of judgment and what it means to his teammates and us fans, the school-not the coach- made the right decision.  The school has a code of conduct which indicates penalties for infractions.  A violation of school conduct occurred and a penalty was assessed as it would be to any other student, suspension from non academic school activities.  Lavin did not make this suspension unilaterally but in conjunction with the AD and school administration.  If he knew the infraction and covered up, he should have definitely been fired on the spot unlike a coach of an upstate school whose administration kisses his butt. 

That said--let's take it forward one game at a time; now beat SD State!

If any other student were guilty of the "crime" that Obekpa committed, they would get a ticket that would result in a fine. So, actually no, he's not being treated like every other student, because if he was, St.John's wouldn't have any damn students left.

whether or not it's right, and i'm sure everyone in here is on the same page about how harmful pot use is, those rules apply the same to everyone on the team, and they're not a surprise. lavin didn't suddenly say "oh hey don't smoke pot guys also there's a drug test today hope you can pass your pizz quiz!"

the only person to blame for this is obekpa, and words can't describe how disappointed he makes me. I hope he gets his shit together and stops being so selfish in the offseason and failing that, i hope he finds his way into not being drafted so he can't let me down anymore.

Where does it say that Obekpa has to be suspended for 2 weeks for smoking pot? If the length is arbitrary, we have a right to be angry with our coach. Granted, I would have doctored the result, and lied to the NCAA. And I want a coach who is smart enough to do that.

But, we all have our own understanding of what's right and wrong. Obekpa broke a rule, but i would have liked to see the university stand by him, and if that means breaking an NCAA rule to do that, fine with me.

How many programs turn that drug test into the NCAA? Only St.John's is that f'n stupid.

I'm through!

Quote from: redstorm212 on March 15, 2015, 09:48:40 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on March 15, 2015, 08:44:19 PM

Quote from: jr49 on March 15, 2015, 08:39:46 PM

I no longer think we can attract good players

Brandon Sampson says, Hi!

It's almost like people forgot we landed one of the top scorers in the 2015 class.

Landing him and having him suit up and actually play are not the same thing.

Irrelevant to what he said.

Quote from: dandy on March 15, 2015, 10:07:16 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 15, 2015, 10:04:15 PM

Quote from: redslope on March 15, 2015, 09:53:49 PM

The hate and vitriol that have been spewed throughout this topic is incredible.  While I am extremely upset with CO's lack of judgment and what it means to his teammates and us fans, the school-not the coach- made the right decision.  The school has a code of conduct which indicates penalties for infractions.  A violation of school conduct occurred and a penalty was assessed as it would be to any other student, suspension from non academic school activities.  Lavin did not make this suspension unilaterally but in conjunction with the AD and school administration.  If he knew the infraction and covered up, he should have definitely been fired on the spot unlike a coach of an upstate school whose administration kisses his butt. 

That said--let's take it forward one game at a time; now beat SD State!

If any other student were guilty of the "crime" that Obekpa committed, they would get a ticket that would result in a fine. So, actually no, he's not being treated like every other student, because if he was, St.John's wouldn't have any damn students left.

whether or not it's right, and i'm sure everyone in here is on the same page about how harmful pot use is, those rules apply the same to everyone on the team, and they're not a surprise. lavin didn't suddenly say "oh hey don't smoke pot guys also there's a drug test today hope you can pass your pizz quiz!"

the only person to blame for this is obekpa, and words can't describe how disappointed he makes me. I hope he gets his shit together and stops being so selfish in the offseason and failing that, i hope he finds his way into not being drafted so he can't let me down anymore.

Where does it say that Obekpa has to be suspended for 2 weeks for smoking pot? If the length is arbitrary, we have a right to be angry with our coach. Granted, I would have doctored the result, and lied to the NCAA. And I want a coach who is smart enough to do that.

But, we all have our own understanding of what's right and wrong. Obekpa broke a rule, but i would have liked to see the university stand by him, and if that means breaking an NCAA rule to do that, fine with me.

How many programs turn that drug test into the NCAA? Only St.John's is that f'n stupid.

What you're arguing for is the kind of idiotic cheap violation that would end up with them charging us with a "lack of institutional control" five years down the road and would have you howling for the next coach's head after they dock us a schollie a year for 2 years. Take a deep breath. There are plenty of reasons to be disappointed in Lavin and the program, but "not lying to the ncaa about a drug test" is not a great one.

agree 100%. The coach is suppose to protect the program and the players on it. Unbelievable. A part of me wants Lavin gone, but then I think he brought in the best players he could to build the program even though they might have character issues. That needs to stop.

Quote from: Poison on March 15, 2015, 10:14:21 PM

Quote from: dandy on March 15, 2015, 10:07:16 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 15, 2015, 10:04:15 PM

Quote from: redslope on March 15, 2015, 09:53:49 PM

The hate and vitriol that have been spewed throughout this topic is incredible.  While I am extremely upset with CO's lack of judgment and what it means to his teammates and us fans, the school-not the coach- made the right decision.  The school has a code of conduct which indicates penalties for infractions.  A violation of school conduct occurred and a penalty was assessed as it would be to any other student, suspension from non academic school activities.  Lavin did not make this suspension unilaterally but in conjunction with the AD and school administration.  If he knew the infraction and covered up, he should have definitely been fired on the spot unlike a coach of an upstate school whose administration kisses his butt. 

That said--let's take it forward one game at a time; now beat SD State!

If any other student were guilty of the "crime" that Obekpa committed, they would get a ticket that would result in a fine. So, actually no, he's not being treated like every other student, because if he was, St.John's wouldn't have any damn students left.

whether or not it's right, and i'm sure everyone in here is on the same page about how harmful pot use is, those rules apply the same to everyone on the team, and they're not a surprise. lavin didn't suddenly say "oh hey don't smoke pot guys also there's a drug test today hope you can pass your pizz quiz!"

the only person to blame for this is obekpa, and words can't describe how disappointed he makes me. I hope he gets his shit together and stops being so selfish in the offseason and failing that, i hope he finds his way into not being drafted so he can't let me down anymore.

Where does it say that Obekpa has to be suspended for 2 weeks for smoking pot? If the length is arbitrary, we have a right to be angry with our coach. Granted, I would have doctored the result, and lied to the NCAA. And I want a coach who is smart enough to do that.

But, we all have our own understanding of what's right and wrong. Obekpa broke a rule, but i would have liked to see the university stand by him, and if that means breaking an NCAA rule to do that, fine with me.

How many programs turn that drug test into the NCAA? Only St.John's is that f'n stupid.

What you're arguing for is the kind of idiotic cheap violation that would end up with them charging us with a "lack of institutional control" five years down the road and would have you howling for the next coach's head after they dock us a schollie a year for 2 years. Take a deep breath. There are plenty of reasons to be disappointed in Lavin and the program, but "not lying to the ncaa about a drug test" is not a great one.

+1

We certainly are revelant this year. Obekpas's suspension keeps going passed on the bottom of the screen on ESPN. Haven't had this much press in a long time.

Couldn't we have reported it next September when our team is going to struggle, and do a self imposed ban on the 2016 tourney?

Poison, you've lost your mind. 

I don't have the time to go through ncaa bylaws, but there is no doubt that Lavin and the school wouldn't have done this unless they had to. 
they might just be saying the school suspended him, but basically he's been suspended by the ncaa.
and the rule changed just after McGary failed his test.  I don't think it's a full year anymore, maybe that's where the 2 weeks comes from.   Idk

Couldn't we have reported it next September when our team is going to struggle, and do a self imposed ban on the 2016 tourney?

That would be dishonest, but after we get killed on Friday, don't forget to be really patient as we settle in for a last place finish in 15-16.

Poison, you've lost your mind. 

I don't have the time to go through ncaa bylaws, but there is no doubt that Lavin and the school wouldn't have done this unless they had to. 
they might just be saying the school suspended him, but basically he's been suspended by the ncaa.
and the rule changed just after McGary failed his test.  I don't think it's a full year anymore, maybe that's where the 2 weeks comes from.   Idk

You're right, I have lost my mind, but not completely. I'm furious with St.John's, and since you can't fire college athletes who aren't getting paid a penny, it seems only fair to point the finger at the one person who helped create situations like this one since he started bringing in his own talent. It's time to look at the long term prospects of the program and realize that the honeymoon is long over. Top talent sees suspension after suspension and the commonality is Lavin. Who wants to play for a person who pulls shit like that?

Eventually the blame has to be on him. This is year 5. Enough of this shit. Let him teach his life lessons elsewhere. He's got no business calling out Obekpa for letting the team down. It's 100% on Lavin that we don't have a capable player to take his place.

Thankfully, there are dozens of capable coaches out there who will gladly come to NY, live in Soho and run a great program here. And should a player come 5 minutes late to practice, or Tweet a message during the season, the new coach can say, ok, I'm not gonna sweat the small stuff, because I've got a job to do, and that job isn't to be a nit-picking little shit.

agree 100%. The coach is suppose to protect the program and the players on it. Unbelievable. A part of me wants Lavin gone, but then I think he brought in the best players he could to build the program even though they might have character issues. That needs to stop.

he recruited players for a couple of years and then stopped.You don't ever stop.Now we play end of the bench players real minutes CO should have been recruited over twice. Losing him should have been a no story.

Quote from: bball purist on March 15, 2015, 11:07:55 PM

Couldn't we have reported it next September when our team is going to struggle, and do a self imposed ban on the 2016 tourney?

That would be dishonest, but after we get killed on Friday, don't forget to be really patient as we settle in for a last place finish in 15-16.

You report it right away and let it be known he's done here and the 2 four star bigs we got coming will more then make up for what CO brings. Then u go out and recruit some more.

Quote from: stjohnnie75 on March 15, 2015, 03:36:32 PM

No way this was Lavin's call to announce it today. Something like this comes from AD and/or President.

It's Lavin's program. He calls the shots.

If this was Jim Calhoun he would had one of his other Bench or role players take the blame. Bohiem... well we know what he would of done.

Poison, your posts on this thread are disgusting and I'm embarrassed we root for the same program.  You honestly wanted Lavin and this UNIVERSITY to withhold that info until after the seeding and then announce to the world right after?  Do you have any idea how dirty that is?  Can you even imagine the backlash that would have created.

Some of you guys are just unreal.  Grow up.  These are student athletes....this is COLLEGE basketball.  How some of you guys can try to blame Lavin for what Obekpa does in his dorm/apartment, is just crazy.  You can't have girls in your room past a certain hour at SJU...was my football coach at SJU responsible for when my gf slept over my dorm?  Of course not.