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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2015, 11:17:14 AM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

If we had Obekpa we'd have a legit shot at the Elite 8.
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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2015, 11:20:20 AM »
We'd still have to beat Duke to get there....not impossible but......

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2015, 11:21:08 AM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.
Pressed Utah into less than 40 points until they had some garbage time stuff at the end of the game.  Also, their main man, NBA-bound Delon Wright was made invisible that game until the final minutes.  UNLV has great athletes too...a couple future NBA guys...pressed them too.  They just have Dave Rich as their coach.  That is why they suck.  They have the most talent in our conference and best athletes.


Re: San Diego State
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2015, 11:52:53 AM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.
Pressed Utah into less than 40 points until they had some garbage time stuff at the end of the game.  Also, their main man, NBA-bound Delon Wright was made invisible that game until the final minutes.  UNLV has great athletes too...a couple future NBA guys...pressed them too.  They just have Dave Rich as their coach.  That is why they suck.  They have the most talent in our conference and best athletes.



We have four guys, any of whom can get hot and carry the team.  Generally, we need two of them to do it together.  One alone will not put the team on its back and take us to victory.  The fifth (Branch) can also make significant contributions, but has done it less frequently than the others.  The point being, if you focus on stopping one guy, the others can take over.  Obviously, if the others are cold (see Georgetown and Nova rad games) we are in big trouble.

The Obekpa suspension is a double edged sword.  It definitely hurts us on the defensive end but it will force us to play a better ball handling lineup.  Against the SDSU defense, that may actually be a net positive.  We need to push the ball even after made baskets.  Rebounding will suffer but everyone else must commit to crashing the boards. 

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2015, 12:00:13 PM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.
Pressed Utah into less than 40 points until they had some garbage time stuff at the end of the game.  Also, their main man, NBA-bound Delon Wright was made invisible that game until the final minutes.  UNLV has great athletes too...a couple future NBA guys...pressed them too.  They just have Dave Rich as their coach.  That is why they suck.  They have the most talent in our conference and best athletes.



We have four guys, any of whom can get hot and carry the team.  Generally, we need two of them to do it together.  One alone will not put the team on its back and take us to victory.  The fifth (Branch) can also make significant contributions, but has done it less frequently than the others.  The point being, if you focus on stopping one guy, the others can take over.  Obviously, if the others are cold (see Georgetown and Nova rad games) we are in big trouble.

The Obekpa suspension is a double edged sword.  It definitely hurts us on the defensive end but it will force us to play a better ball handling lineup.  Against the SDSU defense, that may actually be a net positive.  We need to push the ball even after made baskets.  Rebounding will suffer but everyone else must commit to crashing the boards.
I would pay just to see Phil crashing the boards. I think he'll be running in trying to grab those loose boards that squirt out. But he will need to mix it up more. I want 5 players in every shot.

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2015, 12:49:21 PM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.
Pressed Utah into less than 40 points until they had some garbage time stuff at the end of the game.  Also, their main man, NBA-bound Delon Wright was made invisible that game until the final minutes.  UNLV has great athletes too...a couple future NBA guys...pressed them too.  They just have Dave Rich as their coach.  That is why they suck.  They have the most talent in our conference and best athletes.



We have four guys, any of whom can get hot and carry the team.  Generally, we need two of them to do it together.  One alone will not put the team on its back and take us to victory.  The fifth (Branch) can also make significant contributions, but has done it less frequently than the others.  The point being, if you focus on stopping one guy, the others can take over.  Obviously, if the others are cold (see Georgetown and Nova rad games) we are in big trouble.

The Obekpa suspension is a double edged sword.  It definitely hurts us on the defensive end but it will force us to play a better ball handling lineup.  Against the SDSU defense, that may actually be a net positive.  We need to push the ball even after made baskets.  Rebounding will suffer but everyone else must commit to crashing the boards.
You guys are a lot like us.  Quinn, O'Brien, Polee or Shepard for us can get hot and carry the team.  But, we need at least two to do it.  It's not like past years when we've had one alpha dog or in the case of the Tapley-Franklin years, two alphas carry the team on offense.  We are painful to watch if nobody is hot. 


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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2015, 01:18:39 PM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.

With all due respect, we are not like any of those teams.  Each of those teams plays into your strengths.  You guys have long, rangy athletes all over the roster.  Delon Wright of Utah is a skinny, lengthy 6'5.  The star SG from BYU too.  Arizona has only a decent athlete at point but is built around SFs. 

We have four guards with tight handles.  We don't have to beat the pressure via pass.  How can you expect a 6'7 g/f to stay with a quick 6'2 quard with a tight handle?  We beat a better Providence team twice because they tried to play Greene with a very talented (former top 75 recruit) that was 6'7. 

Press us and we will hang 75 on you.   Harrison is likely the most savvy player you've  faced all year and he excels at drawing fouls and selling the contact.  Your team is prone to excessive fouling with hands when you press.  Your best bet is to get back and get set on D and trap every time Pointer or Jordan cross half court with the ball in their hands.  They are both prone to poor decisions.

I've seen you guys play a few times.  I really like the freshman, Malik Pope.  He will be a good one for you guys, and I think he could be a first rounder at some point.  Chol seems like the kind of guy that can eat us up on the glass, but he commits some very obvious fouls and seems to make too many mistakes. 



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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2015, 01:21:55 PM »
only comp is Long Beach State, where CO was a beast.  One thing sticks out--number of t/o's.  We had LB for 17 while SD had them for 11; correspondingly LB turned us over 7 times yet turned over SD 18 times.  SD won by 1 point; we won by 17.  I would have thought SD with its pressing would cause more t/o's but it appears that they had significant t/o's in 7games where they averaged 19/game and the balance of the schedule averaged 12.  We must protect the ball and the points will come from good ball rotation.  Defensively, I would zone SD and say shoot from beyond the 3 point line as that is a significant weakness.  Rebounding such misses will not be under the boards but will consist of longer caroms which our zoners must get to negate the height advantage of SD.  This is where Dangelo becomes important--similar to the LB game where he had 8 defensive rebounds as LB shot 7/22 from 3 and also where Felix can give some defensive help.  Also can't get into foul trouble as no bench.
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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2015, 02:45:28 PM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.

With all due respect, we are not like any of those teams.  Each of those teams plays into your strengths.  You guys have long, rangy athletes all over the roster.  Delon Wright of Utah is a skinny, lengthy 6'5.  The star SG from BYU too.  Arizona has only a decent athlete at point but is built around SFs. 

We have four guards with tight handles.  We don't have to beat the pressure via pass.  How can you expect a 6'7 g/f to stay with a quick 6'2 quard with a tight handle?  We beat a better Providence team twice because they tried to play Greene with a very talented (former top 75 recruit) that was 6'7. 

Press us and we will hang 75 on you.   Harrison is likely the most savvy player you've  faced all year and he excels at drawing fouls and selling the contact.  Your team is prone to excessive fouling with hands when you press.  Your best bet is to get back and get set on D and trap every time Pointer or Jordan cross half court with the ball in their hands.  They are both prone to poor decisions.

I've seen you guys play a few times.  I really like the freshman, Malik Pope.  He will be a good one for you guys, and I think he could be a first rounder at some point.  Chol seems like the kind of guy that can eat us up on the glass, but he commits some very obvious fouls and seems to make too many mistakes.
I get that part.  And I'm actually curious to see how we approach your lineup.  That being said, we don't always press for turnovers.  As a matter of fact, the trap and the other plays we run for that aren't going to be run against guys who can easily beat the press.  That's usually when Fisher smells blood.  It's a way we wear down other teams who lack depth.  Especially, if they get into foul trouble.  Which would then play into your weakness right now. 

We are one of the best teams in the nation at getting back in transition.  That's another reason why we press.  So you beat the press, you still have to line up in a half-court set.  When you set up your O at the 26 second mark, it does alter any offense.  That's why it takes teams the longest amount of time in the nation to get a shot off.  So it isn't like your guys are going to have an easy time despite your speed and quickness advantage. 

You've seen us play.  No team is going to change their identity in the first game of the team dance.  We press everybody.  That won't change.  The manner it is done will be adjusted to how you guys play it. 

Only one team hung more than 70 on us in regulation this year.  Even if you beat the press a lot, there is no way you're getting to 70, even in a win.

I think first team to 60 wins...hell maybe the only team to 60. 

Pope is a savage.  An incredible highlight film on offense.  His issue is he hasn't played much basketball since his jr year of HS.  So his basketball IQ isn't where his talent level is.  So he gets lost on D and switches at times.  But he's much improved since he started getting PT.  He's our best NBA prospect right now.  He needs to stop deferring open shots to older teammates too.  The dude is 6'10 with an outside stroke. 

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2015, 08:22:39 PM »
Good review.  Thanks.

If they collapse at all against us, it will be silly on their part and will only lead to open looks for Greene and Harrison.  I've noticed that they switch as much as us on screens...could be a great way to get Branch and Jordan iso'd on one of their bigger forwards for early foul trouble.  Our guards have to attack Spencer every single time they get lucky enough to draw him on the perimeter...Dom too.  Let's even the odds in the paint early.

I want to see us go to Amar in the paint.  The kid is a sleeping giant with his skill and passing ability.  Even if he just passes out to Greene and Harrison it could generate a few open looks in a game that might be a race to 65 points.

We can't be pressed, so bring it on.  All it will do is give us more looks before the defense is set and lead to fouls on their part.

Game might be a race to 50! They're a long team, so I can see them definitely helping hard off dribble penetration, especially since as a team SJU is below average. The same goes the other way too, SDSU is not a perimeter shooting team, everything is attacking hard off the bounce, if we go packline it may force them into uncomfortable looks. The positive is that this is not a great offensive team. Lavin doesn't seem to have much of a clue (at least initially), came out as saying SDSU is an up-tempo team like they are. I saw no up-tempo play out of this team. Like everyone else, they're opportunistic and convert if on a turnover they have numbers but this is a halfcourt oriented squad that I would call high energy. They work hard, especially on the defensive side with their pressure. As mentioned above, it's not always about the turnovers but just wearing guys down. What I think is beneficial for SJU approaching presses and pressures is that they'll field multiple ball handlers.
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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2015, 09:10:29 PM »
They press teams but they play weaker teams with weaker athletes. For once I think we have a good matchup. If we had Obekpa I would be very confident.

We pressed Arizona, BYU, Pitt, and Utah as well.

With all due respect, we are not like any of those teams.  Each of those teams plays into your strengths.  You guys have long, rangy athletes all over the roster.  Delon Wright of Utah is a skinny, lengthy 6'5.  The star SG from BYU too.  Arizona has only a decent athlete at point but is built around SFs. 

We have four guards with tight handles.  We don't have to beat the pressure via pass.  How can you expect a 6'7 g/f to stay with a quick 6'2 quard with a tight handle?  We beat a better Providence team twice because they tried to play Greene with a very talented (former top 75 recruit) that was 6'7. 

Press us and we will hang 75 on you.   Harrison is likely the most savvy player you've  faced all year and he excels at drawing fouls and selling the contact.  Your team is prone to excessive fouling with hands when you press.  Your best bet is to get back and get set on D and trap every time Pointer or Jordan cross half court with the ball in their hands.  They are both prone to poor decisions.

I've seen you guys play a few times.  I really like the freshman, Malik Pope.  He will be a good one for you guys, and I think he could be a first rounder at some point.  Chol seems like the kind of guy that can eat us up on the glass, but he commits some very obvious fouls and seems to make too many mistakes.
I get that part.  And I'm actually curious to see how we approach your lineup.  That being said, we don't always press for turnovers.  As a matter of fact, the trap and the other plays we run for that aren't going to be run against guys who can easily beat the press.  That's usually when Fisher smells blood.  It's a way we wear down other teams who lack depth.  Especially, if they get into foul trouble.  Which would then play into your weakness right now. 

We are one of the best teams in the nation at getting back in transition.  That's another reason why we press.  So you beat the press, you still have to line up in a half-court set.  When you set up your O at the 26 second mark, it does alter any offense.  That's why it takes teams the longest amount of time in the nation to get a shot off.  So it isn't like your guys are going to have an easy time despite your speed and quickness advantage. 

You've seen us play.  No team is going to change their identity in the first game of the team dance.  We press everybody.  That won't change.  The manner it is done will be adjusted to how you guys play it. 

Only one team hung more than 70 on us in regulation this year.  Even if you beat the press a lot, there is no way you're getting to 70, even in a win.

I think first team to 60 wins...hell maybe the only team to 60. 

Pope is a savage.  An incredible highlight film on offense.  His issue is he hasn't played much basketball since his jr year of HS.  So his basketball IQ isn't where his talent level is.  So he gets lost on D and switches at times.  But he's much improved since he started getting PT.  He's our best NBA prospect right now.  He needs to stop deferring open shots to older teammates too.  The dude is 6'10 with an outside stroke. 

The two best strokes I saw outside of Quinn were both freshmen:  Pope and Trey Kell.  Pope is very explosive...I love that in my players. 

I cant argue that it might be a race to 60.  We are a wildly inconsistent team.  Harrison is very good at pulling up in secondary transition for threes.  I'd guess he probably hits around 50% or more of them and he sometimes pulls up from 5-6 beyond the line. 

It'll be a good game.  Outside of three guys (Chol and OBrien for you and Alibegovic for us) the best rebounders seem to be leapers who outjump opponents instead of boxing them out.  I don't think either team has faced an opponent as good as going up to get the ball...it'll be interesting.  I expect you guys will win the rebounding war by at least five with Obekpa out. 

I still think we pull this out thanks to Big Shot Phil Greene.

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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2015, 02:18:27 PM »
Hope we don't come out flat...this is a really late start for us.....

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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2015, 02:35:10 PM »

The two best strokes I saw outside of Quinn were both freshmen:  Pope and Trey Kell.  Pope is very explosive...I love that in my players. 

I cant argue that it might be a race to 60.  We are a wildly inconsistent team.  Harrison is very good at pulling up in secondary transition for threes.  I'd guess he probably hits around 50% or more of them and he sometimes pulls up from 5-6 beyond the line. 

It'll be a good game.  Outside of three guys (Chol and OBrien for you and Alibegovic for us) the best rebounders seem to be leapers who outjump opponents instead of boxing them out.  I don't think either team has faced an opponent as good as going up to get the ball...it'll be interesting.  I expect you guys will win the rebounding war by at least five with Obekpa out. 

I still think we pull this out thanks to Big Shot Phil Greene.
[/quote]What gives us issues are ultra-quick PGs who can score.  Like Derek Marks for Boise State.  Combine that with outside shooting and that's why BSU swept us.  Hopeuflly, we can get O'Brien going early and often without Obekpa occupying the paint.  The Little Fundamental has a pretty good inside game due to footwork and a high basketbal IQ.  He would make a great coach. 

Spencer is not an offensive threat whatsoever.  Most teams just foul him.  But, you guys don't have the luxary of extra fousl to give.  Chol...if he can catch it and not get it swatted away while pulling the ball down, which is a big IF, has a little bit of an inside game.

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2015, 03:01:19 PM »
Just watched most of your Nova game--you looked great, and then the video malfunctioned just when apparently they took over? A little intimidating to see, esp. the first half.

I guess either of our teams can win, depending on which team comes out to play. Given the lack of your center, we have an edge, but I don't know that we'll exploit it.
Hope so!

It's been fun stalking you here and on YouTube. Good luck to you, aside from tonight...

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2015, 05:00:07 PM »
Hope we don't come out flat...this is a really late start for us.....
aren't we starting 6:40?

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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2015, 05:06:57 PM »
9:40

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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2015, 05:16:35 PM »
6:30 in San Diego

Starting to get nervous as game time approaches. Wouldn't want another feeling in the world tho. Lets go Johnnies!

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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2015, 05:26:44 PM »
Hope we don't come out flat...this is a really late start for us.....

Luckily we played a bunch of 9pm games this year. Games most of our fans bitched about!

Re: San Diego State
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2015, 06:39:24 PM »
Good luck JohnnyJunglers and Johnny fans everywhere!  Enjoy the game.   :up:
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Re: San Diego State
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2015, 12:28:29 PM »