Mullin's staff

Quote from: Poison on July 05, 2015, 07:51:25 PM

Quote from: shaun1345 on July 05, 2015, 06:49:37 PM

I'm a little hesitant here.   I would've liked an x and o guy and obviously we swung and missed with Pinckney but having a 24 yr old assistant coach? Ga's will be older than him.  Not that mitch Richmond has any more coaching experience but geez. I guess I just would've hoped that after the stellar recruiting hires of slice and matt a that we would've completed the staff with a seasoned vet.

We have an X and O guy. Chris Mullin.

All of these guys knows X's and O's. The question is....can they teach it? That is what separates the better coaches. We will find out.

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

Quote from: desco80 on July 05, 2015, 11:42:45 PM

Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt)  does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?

Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award.    It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html

No, I think he is deserving.

Quote from: redstorm212 on July 06, 2015, 12:09:24 AM

Quote from: desco80 on July 05, 2015, 11:42:45 PM

Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt)  does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?

Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award.    It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html

No, I think he is deserving.

His similarity scores are comparable to Derek Harper, Dan Marjele, and Rolando Blackmon ...

Quote from: desco80 on July 06, 2015, 12:26:34 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on July 06, 2015, 12:09:24 AM

Quote from: desco80 on July 05, 2015, 11:42:45 PM

Regardless of whether he would be a good cosch (and I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt)  does anyone else find it ridiculous that Mitch Richmond is in the hall of fame?

Hope he's on our staff and all that ... but the basketball hall is like a participation award.    It's equivalent to baseball and football enshrining Gregg Jeffries and Adrian Murrell

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html

No, I think he is deserving.

His similarity scores are comparable to Derek Harper, Dan Marjele, and Rolando Blackmon ...

Well I don't think any of those guys have 10 seasons averaging over 20ppg. Harper and Blackmon were both very good players, but a quick look at their career stats would show you how flawed "similarity scores" are. Neither of them had close to the overall career Richmond did. Are you honestly comparing Richmonds career to Dan Marjele?

Was Richmond ever one of the best players in the league? Probably not. But other factors such as consistently great production and longevity can get you in the hall. 

Quote from: Gray Chudney on July 06, 2015, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

Thats one of the problems. We need coaches w different strengths. Mullins great teaching the 3 pt. shot. We dont need another coach w the same strength. I would like to see a big man coach or an XO expert.

I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame.  I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.

Quote from: desco80 on July 06, 2015, 01:30:16 PM

I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame.  I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.

38th all time in scoring, 148 all time in assists, 76 all time in steals, 30th all time in 3 pointers made, 47th all time FT made.  21 ppg career average, 20,000 points.

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

Quote from: Foad on July 06, 2015, 02:54:54 PM

Quote from: desco80 on July 06, 2015, 01:30:16 PM

I'm not saying he was bad, just that he doesn't fit the "all-time great" criteria that I would use for the Hall of Fame.  I think the basketball hall is watered down compared to the other sports'.

38th all time in scoring, 148 all time in assists, 76 all time in steals, 30th all time in 3 pointers made, 47th all time FT made.  21 ppg career average, 20,000 points.

The cumulative stats are there.  I m probably not giving MR enough credit.
But he's also 73rd in minspayed in his career, and only once finished in the top 15 in MVP voting (13th).   If there was only one season when he was regarded as a top 15 player in the league, I have a hard time giving him hall of fame status. 

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on July 06, 2015, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years. 

Quote from: Gray Chudney on July 06, 2015, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years. 

Quote from: SJUFAN on July 07, 2015, 01:49:32 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on July 06, 2015, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years. 

I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.

Quote from: Poison on July 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on July 07, 2015, 01:49:32 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on July 06, 2015, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years. 

I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.

No development and marginal improvement

Quote from: Marco Baldi on July 07, 2015, 04:38:41 PM

Quote from: Poison on July 07, 2015, 04:12:44 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on July 07, 2015, 01:49:32 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on July 06, 2015, 10:03:16 AM

Quote from: gabelmc on July 06, 2015, 09:07:38 AM

It seems to me the smart marketing strategy for any school aspiring to elite level college basketball is the approach Mullin is now taking.  And it may be the only strategy that will rescue St. John's basketball from mediocrity.  It's no longer about winning nor about your college experience and certainly not about education.  It's about NBA prep.  If he hires Richmond, he is doubling down on that strategy.  I know nothing about Richmond's ability to contribute to the on-court success of the team, but I'm fairly sure the hire will fortify the sales pitch...Come to St. John's; we know how to get you into the league. If he is successful in creating that perception, we'll get a lot of great recruits.  That strategy, albeit a travesty to the whole idea of going to college, has worked well for Kentucky.  It can potentially work just as well on the world's greatest stage.

I agree.  I could see it really resonating with recruits with NBA potential who are not one and done types.  Take Yakwe - Givony from Draft Express said he is a consistent corner three away from being in the league.  Mullin and Richmond have to be as good as any on paper to develop that skill at the college level.

That was Lavin's approach, didn't work. It's not just about the talent, you need to bring in players with the right attitude and work ethic. With all the talent in the world, both Jordan and Obeka cared more about themselves then the team. Their selfish attitudes cost us from competing in our tourney games in back to back years. 

I don't think Obekpa had all the talent in the world. He was a great shot blocker, but the rest of his game was underwhelming.

No development and marginal improvement

I do think he improved last season. The problem was his attitude and maturity. He acted like a kid.